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Author Topic: 0 dB shows as unassigned and as blank line in panes view  (Read 1795 times)

InflatableMouse

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0 dB shows as unassigned and as blank line in panes view
« on: May 26, 2012, 07:25:33 am »

I ran into a song that after analyzing shows as exactly 0 dB replay gain. When I create a panel for replay gain, 0 dB doesn't show, its a blank line. Selecting it only has the song in it with 0 dB replay gain. But, Unassigned also shows this song.

I've included 2 screenshots to clarify.
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Re: 0 dB shows as unassigned and as blank line in panes view
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2012, 11:14:24 am »

Unfortunately MC treats null and the value zero the same, so a field with the value zero (0) is regarded as <empty> and so is a field without any value in it.

You can get zero and null to display as 0 if you put the field inside math(), but I know no way in MC to distinguish between zero and null.
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Re: 0 dB shows as unassigned and as blank line in panes view
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2012, 11:24:22 am »

Matt recently adjusted the sense of sameness for floating point.  Looks like this is an edge case that has to be fixed.  There should never be a blank column cell in a pane (as it can't be seen when sorted at the bottom).
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Re: 0 dB shows as unassigned and as blank line in panes view
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2012, 11:29:26 am »

Matt recently adjusted the sense of sameness for floating point.

Do you mean that MC now will treat 0.0 (or 0,0 in my locale) and null different?
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Re: 0 dB shows as unassigned and as blank line in panes view
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2012, 11:51:44 am »

I don't think that's the issue, but rather how MC has to translate certain values for presentation, and then create categories for those values.  I've seen and reported these edge cases a couple of times in the past, where a single field value gets mapped into two categories, often one which shows as a blank value in the pane column.
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Re: 0 dB shows as unassigned and as blank line in panes view
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2012, 12:48:04 pm »

OK, thanks MrC.

BTW. I am not seeing this with a pane using Track # (which should be integer), i.e. there is no empty line and both zero and null are treated as Unassigned. And I am not seeing this with a pane using Replay Gain (which should be a floating point value with , as decimal point according to my locale) either. Replay Gain is not calculated using MC but imported from the file tags.
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Re: 0 dB shows as unassigned and as blank line in panes view
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2012, 07:06:14 am »

The Unassigned has dissapeared, I don't know why or how I'm afraid. Maybe it just had to refresh.

The empty field in the pane is still there faithfully showing that one song.
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Re: 0 dB shows as unassigned and as blank line in panes view
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2012, 04:31:17 pm »

This is a challenging issue.

The library does not tightly define a difference between 0 and empty for numeric fields.

So for Replay Gain, we store -0.0001 dB if analysis results in a perfect 0.

But the core search engine in the library uses 0.01 as the match threshold.  This is so that, for example, a replay gain of 6.34221 and 6.34222 will be considered equal (display only goes to two decimals of precision anyway).

I'm not sure the solution in this case.
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