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NEW: Improved OSD
gvanbrunt:
--- Quote from: MrHaugen on September 10, 2012, 03:07:33 am ---I don't like that the options are forced upon you when you right or left click. Especially when it makes the video jump around.
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+1
This should not happen for subs, video or audio streams.
jmone:
Ugggg..... I'm away with work, and got a Text from a guest saying my wife had "broken" the HTPC, so as the prime MC Help Desk I gave them a call. They were trying to watch Bourne 3 but the audio track was the Directors Commentary (could have been "remembered" from a previous play, or maybe they tried to change the subs and got the wrong menu option - who knows). They had tried to change it one their own but was getting no where. I tried guiding my wife on how to change the stream with the RC but MC then hung. Got her to reboot. MC then loaded the blank "default" library not the Library Server. Got her to press esc to go back to Std View ... MC then hung again. As the frustration level grew she then put on my daughter. Got her to reboot, ESC back to STD View to select the Library Server, then CNTL+4 back to TheaterView, select and play the video, then Pause, then use the right click menu to select the correct audio lang then press play. It took 20mins of faffing around and plenty of "we will wait to you are home" / "why can't we have a normal Blu-ray player" type comments.
On this forum we all love what a PC can do VS CE devices, but on a dedicated HTPC the aim of TheaterView is to abstract this and present a CE style interface. Tonight MC failed. Why oh why they could not just have press the "Menu" key on the RC and select the audio / sub track etc from a single pop-up menu LIKE EVERY OTHER CE DEVICE EVER MADE is absolutely and utterly beyond me.
Cranky
Nathan
MrHaugen:
As for the hang, I do not think that this would be fixed with a second menu. I for one hate all that resembles DVD and Bluray menus... I do not understand the fascination. Could you, or those that have a problem navigating with 4 buttons, explain why it's so complicated? It might help to create a more logical way of navigating. I find it rather intuitive as it is now, but I might be to attuned to Theater View to see the problems. Only thing needed imo, is a few tweaks as to activation of certain items, and perhaps some rules as to what up and down arrow does. Perhaps also an option to remove unwanted pages from the OSD.
gvanbrunt:
--- Quote from: MrHaugen on September 11, 2012, 06:57:09 am ---Could you, or those that have a problem navigating with 4 buttons, explain why it's so complicated? It might help to create a more logical way of navigating.
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I think Jmone provided a very clear explanation: Average people expect and know how to use a full screen menu. They don't know how to use the mini menu despite being shown how etc. I've seen this first hand many times myself as well. And I believe the constant "auto selecting" of streams leads to crashes. At the very least it increases the chances.
It should be a moot point. There is no reason there can't be both styles of menus.
Matt:
--- Quote from: jmone on September 11, 2012, 06:11:51 am ---Ugggg..... I'm away with work, and got a Text from a guest saying my wife had "broken" the HTPC, so as the prime MC Help Desk I gave them a call. They were trying to watch Bourne 3 but the audio track was the Directors Commentary (could have been "remembered" from a previous play, or maybe they tried to change the subs and got the wrong menu option - who knows). They had tried to change it one their own but was getting no where. I tried guiding my wife on how to change the stream with the RC but MC then hung. Got her to reboot. MC then loaded the blank "default" library not the Library Server. Got her to press esc to go back to Std View ... MC then hung again. As the frustration level grew she then put on my daughter. Got her to reboot, ESC back to STD View to select the Library Server, then CNTL+4 back to TheaterView, select and play the video, then Pause, then use the right click menu to select the correct audio lang then press play. It took 20mins of faffing around and plenty of "we will wait to you are home" / "why can't we have a normal Blu-ray player" type comments.
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Would it make you feel any better if we awarded you the 'Beta Tester of the Month' award?
I sympathize with the frustration, but I believe hangs or crashes are separate from the OSD design discussion. And they're a big part of the frustration in this story.
I hope the hangs switching to Standard View get fixed today.
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