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ampex

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Convert SACD.ISO to separate DSF tracks. File NAMES problem
« on: April 04, 2013, 12:42:57 am »

Convert SACD.ISO to separate DSF tracks is work, but destination DSF tracks have  wrong name. Track NAME is equal to the ARTIST-ALBUM name, not ARTIST - SONG name.
For example original SACD.ISO file is "Dire Straits - 1982. Love Over Gold.iso"
I select song -INDUSTRIAL DISEASE- and start convert to separate DSF file.
Result.
Converted DSF track name is - Dire Straits - 1982. Love Over Gold.dsf is wrong,
Must be - Dire Straits - 1982. INDUSTRIAL DISEASE.dsf is right!!!

MC team please, correct this.
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Re: Convert SACD.ISO to separate DSF tracks. File NAMES problem
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2013, 06:27:21 am »

I'm running into the same issue. Tracks as individual files are named incorrectly. This leads to files being named with numbers (1), (2), etc and eventually skipped tracks (if skip if exist is enabled), failed conversions when using multiple conversions at once.
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Re: Convert SACD.ISO to separate DSF tracks. File NAMES problem
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2013, 09:33:09 am »

I didn't know that MC18 could actually convert SACD ISO to separate DSF tracks - I've been using sacd_extract to do it.
I did just import a new album last night which had a similar problem - the artist field was filled with the album name inside MC18.

sacd_extract displayed the metadata correctly in its display, so I have to assume it also tagged the files correctly - but I don't have anything else that will read DSF tags other than MC18, so I can't confirm that.
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Re: Convert SACD.ISO to separate DSF tracks. File NAMES problem
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2013, 01:40:47 am »

I'm running into the same issue. Tracks as individual files are named incorrectly. This leads to files being named with numbers (1), (2), etc and eventually skipped tracks (if skip if exist is enabled), failed conversions when using multiple conversions at once.

Yes! All the same.
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Re: Convert SACD.ISO to separate DSF tracks. File NAMES problem
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2013, 10:08:37 am »

Please do not use JRiver to convert from SACD ISO to DSF files.  Our converter only processes PCM, which means the SACD ISO is going to go to PCM and back to DSD.

Although both conversions are excellent, you just don't want to do this.
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Re: Convert SACD.ISO to separate DSF tracks. File NAMES problem
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2013, 02:10:19 pm »

Do you know what sacd_extract is doing? Ripping to DFF goes very quickly with it, so I assume it's just taking the data straight off the disc. However ripping to DSF takes quite a bit longer - is it converting to PCM and then encoding to DSF? (do I have to rip all my discs again? :-\)
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Re: Convert SACD.ISO to separate DSF tracks. File NAMES problem
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2013, 02:11:33 pm »

Do you know what sacd_extract is doing?

I'm not sure, but it's probably getting it right since it's a purpose built tool that only really deals with DSD.
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Re: Convert SACD.ISO to separate DSF tracks. File NAMES problem
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2013, 02:17:13 pm »

I'm not sure, but it's probably getting it right since it's a purpose built tool that only really deals with DSD.
Is there any way to check whether a file has been converted to PCM as an intermediate step? (comparing the results of sacd_extract exporting DFF, DSF, and JRiver's DSF conversion somehow?)

I'm starting to think I should have just ripped to .ISO and left MC to handle them.
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Re: Convert SACD.ISO to separate DSF tracks. File NAMES problem
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2013, 11:12:26 pm »

Please do not use JRiver to convert from SACD ISO to DSF files.  Our converter only processes PCM, which means the SACD ISO is going to go to PCM and back to DSD.

Although both conversions are excellent, you just don't want to do this.

I understand correctly?
SACD.ISO---PCM64---separate *.DSF files.

What JR doing in this way
SACD.ISO---???---???-----ASIO---24x192
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Re: Convert SACD.ISO to separate DSF tracks. File NAMES problem
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2013, 11:18:56 pm »

I understand correctly?
SACD.ISO---PCM64---separate *.DSF files.

What JR doing in this way
SACD.ISO---???---???-----ASIO---24x192

I'm not sure I understand the question.

If you bitstream during playback, DSD is passed unchanged.  Or you can play as PCM, in which case the DSD is being converted to 64-bit 352kHz PCM.
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Re: Convert SACD.ISO to separate DSF tracks. File NAMES problem
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2013, 01:01:09 am »

I'm not sure I understand the question.

If you bitstream during playback, DSD is passed unchanged.  Or you can play as PCM, in which case the DSD is being converted to 64-bit 352kHz PCM.

Yes, i question you about chain conversion to PCM

Full path is

SACD.ISO---64-bit 352kHz PCM(internal. NOT user adjustable)---Down converting again to 24-bit 192 PCM(Or other modes of PCM stream . For user choice)-----ASIO---24x192 input DAC
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Re: Convert SACD.ISO to separate DSF tracks. File NAMES problem
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2013, 09:29:06 am »

Yes, i question you about chain conversion to PCM

Full path is

SACD.ISO---64-bit 352kHz PCM(internal. NOT user adjustable)---Down converting again to 24-bit 192 PCM(Or other modes of PCM stream . For user choice)-----ASIO---24x192 input DAC

Yes, assuming you have a 24-bit 192kHz DAC.

Although "Down converting again" makes it sound like something bad is happening and that's not correct.

To get from 2.8MHz 1-bit to 192kHz 24-bit, you would always design cascaded filters that work in steps.  In my opinion, the existing signal path is optimal.
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Re: Convert SACD.ISO to separate DSF tracks. File NAMES problem
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2013, 09:38:08 am »

What happens when access via DLNA?
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Re: Convert SACD.ISO to separate DSF tracks. File NAMES problem
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2013, 09:44:04 am »

What happens when access via DLNA?

If you disable conversion, the server will serve the DSD file and it will be up to the renderer to handle it.

If you enable conversion to PCM (recommended), MC will convert to high sample rate PCM and serve that.

If your device supports DoP, you will be able to configure MC to send this starting with 18.0.166 (will be available shortly).  This is called DoPE.
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