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Bug Deflector
« on: March 10, 2002, 11:56:56 am »

Looks like JRiver crew gonnaneedanother distraction for 224.

Any LIGHT hearted topics anyone?

Maybe Ford vs. Chevy vs. Dodge

Or what is your favorite monkey at the zoo story

Or why it is not a good idea to stick a raisin up your nose comments- painful memories that one.
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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2002, 02:37:14 pm »

I like Ford, Pepsi and democrats.
Come and get me.
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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2002, 02:41:57 pm »

CVIII-

How dare you use the " F " word in this forum. Next Page
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« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2002, 02:49:16 pm »

>>I like Ford
I did until all of them I owned broke down

>> Pepsi
Yes, your OK

>> democrats
You Are A Failure

Personally I think they all suck, and the world could do with allot less Government. Democrats believe that all should get a hand out. I personally don't want my money going for drug dealers, welfare and condoms.

Ever Notice The Welfare people vote democrat, they want more handouts and not work for a living.

I think if you go on welfare, you should pay back all the money with interest, and not take money I make out of my pocket to give to someone else.

Democratic Thinking <-> Communist Thinking - Same, Same
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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2002, 03:14:44 pm »

VW, Coke (a-cola) and Democrats

>>>>>Democrats believe that all should get a hand out.
Democrats believe everyone should get an equal chance to succeed--something those beginning with privledge rarely understand (not directed particularlyat you King)
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« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2002, 03:20:36 pm »

no car[if such a thing possible] red wine and socialists
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« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2002, 03:45:21 pm »

>> socialists
please, really this is not the way to live

MHorton
>> VW
Hitler had some input for the bug, It Was A Very Good Car However

> Coke
Pepsi is better, but I prefer Slice, Sprite Or 7Up (Lemon \ Lime)

My Mom And Dad Are Democrats, I Gave My Mom A Coffee Mug With Rush Limbaugh on it
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« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2002, 03:59:27 pm »

no socialists,this is french.In english is labor
Do not drink all this junk.But coca ok,do not like Pepsi.I like Sprite
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« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2002, 04:03:11 pm »

The worst thing i drunk ever was in US.Root beer ?.They use the same products than the ones for cleaning public toilets to do this drink!!
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« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2002, 04:17:16 pm »

"Charlemagne 8"
I like Ford, Pepsi and democrats.
Come and get me.

I totaly agree with you,

I have a 98 expolorer and am quite happy, I went through chevy, olds, dodge and settled on ford since I am a buy american type of guy, but if I had to go with outside brands it would be German made or a toyota. I think the fords that break down are trying to tell the owner that they are not worthy of driving it and as soon as they sell it it will run fine  LOL.

A man that likes ford and pepsi has true taste that will endure.

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« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2002, 04:20:55 pm »

I was about three I'd say. Maybe a little younger, anyway when you're a kid sometimes you do some real stupid stuff. I can't say if it was Dad holding me down or something else. But being in an emergency room at that age is very traumatic to say the least.

The way the ol' boar tells it I was being challenged by one my sisters. Never a good combination throughout my entire adolescent years. Whenever the need arose, I was always willing to prove I was better than her. Sometimes I won. Sometimes she won.

On this particular occasion she had me by a mile. I guess during our normal course of play Mom brought out some raisins for us to snack on.  Now, I can't say for sure, but somewhere along the way the proposition to shove a raisin up ones nostril came into play. Rising  fearlessly to the task...I proceeded.

Have any of you seen the movie Total Recall? The one with Arnold Schwarzenegger. Remember the scene where he had to remove a tracking device from his head? Well, I can tell you from firsthand experience that it is not very pleasant. You see, raisins are sun dried and when exposed to moisture they tend to swell. Apparently there is enough moisture from normal breathing for this phenomenom to take place. So backtrack a moment, to opening statement, and imagine one very squirmy little brat having a very much expanded fruit extracted from his nose.

Makes for a great diversion, don't it.
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« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2002, 04:25:54 pm »

Oh sorry. You were talking about one of the other suggested topics. Next Page
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« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2002, 04:30:28 pm »

My favorite monkey at the zoo.At any zoo,allways has be...ME
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« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2002, 04:32:05 pm »

MachineHead
>> Have any of you seen the movie Total Recall? The one with Arnold Schwarzenegger
I have the movie, Good Movie

Deathrider
>> I have a 98 expolorer and am quite happy
I had 3 Fords 2 Of Them Were thunderbirds, I Have A Toyoda Carola Now, 7 Years And No Problems My Wife Has A Honda Civic LX.

What Kind Of Tires Do You have?

zevele10
> The worst thing i drunk ever was in US.Root beer ?.
A&W was the best I think

>> But coca ok,do not like Pepsi
Soft Drinks Do not taste the same, Coke in the US Is dif from coke in lets say germany, or Korea
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« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2002, 04:32:40 pm »

For KingSparta, You sound as negative as usual. No one is a failure for being or believing in democrats, it is anti American to not except anothers point of view. both political parties have good and bad things to give to this country, no one party is better than the other, they both get the job done just the same.


only the comunists wish to see one political party, we being democratic allow for various kinds and allow the peolpe to choose.

Kennedy said " Ich Bin Ien Berliner"

I say "I Am A Democrat"

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« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2002, 04:38:07 pm »

We had Doof and iq100.An other duo now?
I know for drinks,the same for beer.
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« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2002, 04:39:23 pm »

Deathrider

>>For KingSparta, You sound as negative as usual.
LOL

Did I push A Button
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« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2002, 04:46:33 pm »

KingSparta, please dont take my posts to heart, I am just as glib as the next guy and they come across as serious sometimes.

As for my tires, I had the firestones replaced well before the recall, I had no idea at the time of the issues but already knew that something wasnt right when I had 2 blowouts only weeks apart from each other and noticed what looked like someone took a razor to the tires and knew that no one had so I changed new tires at my expense to bridgestone, wore those out with no problems and am now running on uniroyal nailgaurds but will be going back to the bridgestone duelers for ride quality issues, the nailguards will not stay balanced becasue of the silicone sealant in them to seal punctures. duelers ride smoth, just not on a realy rough road. I run light truck tires only, passenger grade tires have no buisines on an SUV or pickup and that was the only mistake ford made by putting passemger grade tires on the explorers to begin with, had they put a light truck tire on it, they would not have had all the roll over accidents. and they rolled becuase of panicing and stomping the brake pedal. in both of my blow outs I only felt a slight shift in vehicle attitude and let off the gas and applied slow light brake pressure and came to a safe stop.   It was a tire issue and not a brand issue. I did own a chevy pick up and it spent more time in the shop than the road and was the only chevy I ever had with trouble so I wont knock them either. I will say this that for customer service sucks. No loaner for overnight waranty and not enough techs to cary the service load. Chevy dealers have ample techs and will give you a loner if repairs take a half day or more.

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« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2002, 04:59:08 pm »

Deathrider-

Good point about the tires. Millions of trucks in the country rolling around on passenger car tires. If your tires have P before the number they are not truck tires. They are passenger car tires. Tires stamped LT are made for trucks. I think that must be a shock for someone who has just shelled out 30,000 to 50,000 dollars for a "truck". That is also why towing with such equipped vehicles can be hair-raising.
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« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2002, 05:00:01 pm »

>> No loaner for overnight waranty
I think I had to pay insurance for that, I always got a loaner paid for

I think for my next car it will Be A Toyoda Camry Or An Avalon
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« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2002, 05:02:23 pm »

Soft Drink:  Now, Orangina..like the combo of carbonation and citrus taste. Worst? Probably Moxie, used to be everywhere when I was growing up. Looks and smells like creosote, tastes about the same. Liked the old cardboard cut-outs for countertop displays, though.

Went through a foreign car phase 30 years ago - Citroen (DS 21 - world's greatest car when it wasn't spewing green Castrol all over the highway); Rover (typical English sedan - beautifully finished interior, wouldn't turn over in NH if it was raining in VT), Peugot (shifter broke off in my hands in the middle of rush hour traffic in Boston). Like a dog that tussles with a skunk - a week later, a dim recollection it wasn't such a good idea, but can't remember the specifics, so ready to give it another go.

Politics? Demo: Figure if I had some breaks in life, I can give a little back, but increasingly Libertarian in my later years, particularly on social issues. Can't tolerate being led around by my nose-ring and told what is and isn't proper thinking. Only thing that keeps me Demo is that the Republicans are even worse when it comes to telling me how to live my life.

HTH
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« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2002, 05:12:21 pm »

I aint Doof and aint [former member]. only person that can push my button is my self. been there done that and seen the elephant.

But you have to admit that some of your post take on a negative atmosphere right from the get go. Just an observation from my point of view, its always easier to see from the outside than from within, heck, I am sure that there are people in this post right now that could point out a few things about the way my posts might come across, I would take any comments with a grain of salt and learn from it, I learn every day something new. Nothing agressive intended, just me joking around.

Hows this one, my real handle is legngrill, I first started on this site with this handle and changed it because at that time I had a couple of posts moved to archive and thaught they were deleted and went off the bat, I learned the error of my ways and changed my handle and attitude unlike someone that got permanently band.

Now some of you might be wondering what legngrill stands for, well here it is and hope you get a laugh out of it because I did.

On my last firestone blow out on my explorer I drove it of the main road onto a side secondary road that was a few miles from my home and was some what deserted at midnight. I was just finishing tightening the lugs on the left rear tire and was getting ready to come around from behind my truck after putting the tools away and looked to my left for any on coming traffic so I wont get hit, well 2 cars past me with no problem but the third one to a bee line right for me and so I turned and lunged out of the way, The guy hit me while I was in the air and smacked the inside of my left leg with the grill of his toyota pick up at around 40 to 45 MPH, hence legngrill=leg in grill. I was in a full leg cast for 2 months and a half leg cast for another 2 months, I had a broken knee, ankle and foot and was out of work for 6 months with 2 of those months feeling more pain from the therapy than the accident its self, this all happend on march 10th 1999 at 12:07AM EST in miami florida.
I have permanent ligament and tendon damage that would be worse off if they went in to fix it so I suffer constant pain and the knee even gives out on me sometimes. but I hold no grudge or anger, it was an accident. I am a diesle mechanic and work on 18 wheelers and other comercial vehicles and the only problem I have is now I cant push the clutch in on the big rigs any more with out inflameing the problem, still I am not mad. * years in the army taught me to live and learn and move on and so I have done so. No, no one can push my button but me. LOL

So, the moral of this story is, dont change your flat tire, call AAA and let them do it after the tow you to a empty parking lot so that no one can do more than push you button.
Darn it if I dont crack myself up sometimes  LOL

So bottoms up and have a cold brewski on my KingSparta.

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« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2002, 05:17:01 pm »

Camry, Good choice, my mom has one and is one tough cookie, dependable

I like the new tundra but the bed doesnt have much in the way as depth, the bed is as wide and long but no hieght

Robert Long

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« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2002, 05:19:35 pm »

Correction. 1/5 FA, 3rd Infantry Division Europe, ROCK OF THE MARNE Sir
1/5 was wrong, mermory aint what it used to be, It is the 5/41 FA

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« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2002, 12:59:05 am »

Deathrider

By the way i see nothing negitive

Since i Also was in the 3rd inf div in the FA, as with you i am now trying to remember what unit i was in 1985-1996
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« Reply #25 on: March 11, 2002, 06:17:08 am »

Death rider

By the way, I am nether republican or democrat I am in the middle.

As MHorton Said

>>Democrats believe everyone should get an equal chance to succeed
And I agree with it, but also on the other hand there should be a limit. Someone who wishes to stay on welfare for 30 years is not going to help them self, and he or she are the type that I do not wish to support.

The other day, someone used their welfare card to buy food, they left, and I paid for mine. When I went out side they were dividing it up on who would return it to get cash, since she had tracks on her arm from shooting up. I can just think on what the money was going to be for. Should I also pay for this type of activity?

If someone is a failure or not does not have anything to do with money or there political views. I basically said that to see what people would say. Rather I feel if you are happy in your life and you help others and do not hurt them you are a success in my book.

Handing Out Free Condoms is also something i do not want to pay for.
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« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2002, 07:26:22 am »

King,
I tend to agree with your views on welfare.  Many would.  But it sometimes isn't clearcut.  To incent the adult is good, but not if it means the child seriously suffers.

> Handing Out Free Condoms is also something i do not want to pay for.

I would.  It's cheap.  Think of it as reducing the number of children born into poverty and therefore reducing the welfare costs later.

And, with fewer people, there would be more beer to go around.
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« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2002, 07:47:39 am »

KingSparta-

 I also tend to agree with most of your comments. Years ago I worked at a small store that was a regular stop twice a month for those less fortunate. I used to watch them, with some disgust, giving four and five year old kids one dollar food stamps to buy Kool-aide. These single packets only cost about $ 0.15. So change would have to be given back. Once outside they would hand the money over to the adults. After cycling through about a half dozen kids they would then come back in and buy a pack of cigarettes. The other funny thing was when I went down to the local bar. You could almost always be certain to see the same people knockin' back the beer like it was going out of style.

There has to be changes made. I don't want to sound like some authority, but this makes the current welfare system deplorable. Another thought- what an example to set for children.
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« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2002, 02:11:55 pm »

Well I am paying for condoms and I am not even getting any sex, that’s just wrong

I do think if my tax money pays for an abortion, that the next abortion also comes with a sterilization. i do not want to pay for 8 Abortions, where does it end?
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« Reply #29 on: March 11, 2002, 03:19:12 pm »

King, I entered service in 1985 and left in 1993, I was in Germany from 86-93, I was in the 3ID in schweinfurt from middle of 91 to the beggining of 93. Where were you at that time. It is always possible that our paths have crossed if you were in the service during the same time period.  

The above time period does not reflect the 2 months 3 weeks I spent supporting desert storm units performing vehicle maintenance and preperations before the end run.

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« Reply #30 on: March 11, 2002, 04:51:51 pm »

There are obvious cases of welfare abuse. There's no rule that says the poor and uneducated have to behave any better on the average than the rest of us. And the system certainly needs a complete overhaul. Its designed to foster long-term dependence.

But how do you effect reform without providing the infrastructure to train people in alternatives? If you eliminate welfare, what next? Anyone who thinks there are ample jobs for the uneducated and unskilled during economic down cycles is living in a different part of the country than I do. And I don't feature walking to work past child beggars and adults huddled in doorways. I've seen enough of that in third-world countries, thanks.

When the day comes that we adequately fund our educational and job-training facilities, and create programs to encourage development of basic life skills, I'll vote for abolition. But we're a long ways away. Can't expect people who wind up on welfare for lack of those skills to spontaneously develop them.

Funny how we can always find the bucks for more heavy metal and cuts in taxes for the fat cats, but come up short on that sort of thing. Guess its not very sexy.

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« Reply #31 on: March 11, 2002, 05:40:21 pm »

Harry The Hipster-

I wouldn't scrap it at this point either. My wife informed me after reading this post that things are different now. At least here in MN. She happens to do most of the shopping, and probably sees this more then me. I guess now there is a card that is used. Much like a credit card. So I don't think it is the same, or at the very least, any easier to pull off such a stunt.

Removal of the current welfare system would probably be like setting off a bomb. I don't have any facts, but common sense would suggest that crime would increase dramatically. Survival is one strong instinct. In order to survive people will do drastic things. This may be a side effect if ever this should happen. I suppose training and education would help alot. But people have to be willing to learn new skills. And if you have a free ride going why change now?
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« Reply #32 on: March 11, 2002, 06:46:50 pm »

>>Democrats believe everyone should get an equal chance to succeed
>>And I agree with it, but also on the other hand there should be a limit. Someone who wishes to stay on welfare for 30 years is not going to help them >>self, and he or she are the type that I do not wish to support

>>King,
>>I tend to agree with your views on welfare. Many would. But it sometimes isn't clearcut. To incent the adult is good, but not if it means the child >>seriously suffers.

That's the problem in a nutshell. I actually believe that everyone should have an equal chance, not necessarily that everyone is equal (I'm undecided on that issue). But how to we say "enough is enough, you've wasted your equal chance" to the adult, without taking away the "equal chance" possibility from the innocent offspring? It's wrong to punish the child for the mistakes of the parents.

MachineHead

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« Reply #33 on: March 11, 2002, 07:05:17 pm »

MHorton

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« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2002, 11:20:51 pm »

Ford: My full size Bronco had some annoying problems, like a blown engine, failed transmission and rusted out side panels.  But, I know, one data point proves nothing.  And, sure, convince yourself that all that Explorer data is just an anomaly.

GMC: I drive a Jimmy now.  It sucks compared to the Porsche I used to own.  I wonder if there are unions in Stuttgart.

Dodge: We have a conversion van to haul the kiddies from A to B while watching a movie instead of asking if we're there yet.  The engine is rock solid.  The body has a few issues.

Pepsi: Whatever.

Democrats: They'd like to triple the government, halve the military (again), and give all the "poor" people (apparently those making less than $60k a year) a free Ford and free Pepsi.

JimH, if you really believe what you espouse, then you should be behind paying people for voluntary, irreversible vasectomies/hysterectomies.  Actually, there is a case to be made that we should increase the birth rate, and fund the most intelligent to work on fundamental energy research.

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« Reply #35 on: March 12, 2002, 01:06:05 am »

what i do know is I pay about 40% in taxes, I get tired of being muged by the government.
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« Reply #36 on: March 12, 2002, 11:06:46 am »

King - You pay more than that.  Add up fed, state, county, local, FICA and sales tax and see what you come up with.  Many people are over 50%.  Yeah, let's get more Democrats in office.

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« Reply #37 on: March 12, 2002, 11:23:03 am »

I don't like paying them either, guys, but when you live in a complex soxiety there are certain toll charges that go with the privileges. If you want to talk about government waste in social programs, you're right, there's plenty to discuss, and when we're done we can go on and talk about the money the military wastes on some of their hijinks - It sure doesn't get down to the men and women in the ranks - or subsidies for large corporate interests.  

I don't have much use for the Democratic Left and some of their nonsense, but whenever I get uneasy I just take a look at the Torquemadas in the GOP who want to tell me how to live my life. That's more than enough for me.

Plenty of rascals on both sides of the aisle. And please - we can have honest differences of opinion without reverting to name-calling. Democrats are good Americans whatever you may think - they just see the world differently.

Why do I think I shouldn't have to say that?

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« Reply #38 on: March 12, 2002, 11:38:37 am »

>>If you want to talk about government waste
you can Stop here because it is more than with social programs

And it is not just Democrats, it is republicans too how ever "Bird" is the worst of them all mr pork himself
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« Reply #39 on: March 12, 2002, 11:57:01 am »

self-employed
If i do $2500 a month,i pay..$1500 taxes
So,i rent to myself one room of my flat.i need a computer,a fax,many phones and so on
But,first of all,when i tell them i did $2500,in fact i did 3 or 4 times this amount.And,if i  tell them i did $10000,i have to give them $7000
So anyone is doing as i do.At the end they get less than if the %of taxes be much lower
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« Reply #40 on: March 12, 2002, 12:18:50 pm »

With all of the renewed new found patriotism after 9/11 it strikes me as hypocritical to in one breath speak of national unity and finding a common sense of purpose,  and in another breath excessively ##### about taxes.  I believe two of the most patriotic things one can do is to vote and to pay taxes to fund the positive things that we can do as the wealthiest country in the world.

Clearly we collectively misspend lots of tax money. I vote so that I can advance my agenda on how we spend. Personally I don't like how Bush chooses to spend OUR money, but as an American I have a responsibility to pay in full to fund the will of the majority. I have a responsibility to vote so that I am accountable as a part of American society for the decisions we make as a whole.

Enron is a warning to us as to where capitalism without responsibility can lead us.
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RE:Bug Deflector
« Reply #41 on: March 12, 2002, 12:32:44 pm »

you may use profile on a post
i am not an us citizen
my point is that if you put taxes to hight,at the end you get less money.Instead of 60% taxes on $2500 earning,put 30,40% and  no one will ### about taxes
Taxes and patriotism are the same:too much do no good
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« Reply #42 on: March 12, 2002, 02:22:06 pm »

Priest, Worshipper Shot Dead in Long Island Church; Suspect Captured

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,47716,00.html

And i am sure we will need to find out why he did it and try to understand his feelings for doing it, And Maybe Feel Sorry For The Killer and all that.

Jury Finds Yates Guilty of Capital Murder

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,47694,00.html

My Opinion, Case Over, Back Up The Gas Truck
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RE:Bug Deflector
« Reply #43 on: March 12, 2002, 02:34:38 pm »

if she is not insane
she is sane
at least according to Texas laws
I allways saw Texax as a giant asylum.......
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« Reply #44 on: March 12, 2002, 05:03:00 pm »

Democrat = Communism?
Ford = Crap?

Which offends me the most?

I was born in Tennessee, I grew up in Tennessee and will most likely die in Tennessee. I am and have always been proud to be an American even in the Sixties with long hair and weird clothes.
I have never been on welfare, never had food stamps and only drew unemployment for three weeks out of over thirty years of working. I do frequent state and federal parks and drive on our free roads. All these things are socialist in nature. ANYTHING that is not privately owned and operated for a profit is socialist in nature. Do people take unfair advantage? Sure. Does everybody? Not at all. There are large groups of people on welfare that don't abuse it. They are alive because of it. Is the system set up to encourage long term use? Sure is. Is that the fault of the people using it? Nope.

I believe strongly in the American ideals even if it seems that a lot of Americans don't. Innocent until proven guilty. Ever served on a jury? That one doesn't exist EXCEPT as an ideal. Andrea Yates is only the latest example of guilty first, last and always. I agree with the verdict but I question the road to get there.
I get chills when I hear the American Anthem. I believe strongly in the right to bear arms, the right of free speech and assembly and the right of every person to make their own mistakes. It doesn't matter what you believe. This is America and you have the right to believe it.In fact, that's what makes us what we are. If everyone believed the same thing, it would get awfully boring.

I was what I liked to call a "political agnostic" for a long time. But I started noticing that there was a significant proportion of a group of people that talked very loudly about "wrong-thinking" people, about the "freeloaders" on our social assistance. They seemed to be appointing themselves as the guardian of morals. After a while, these people started sounding alike. The phrases that they used took on the appearance of slogans. They all said and did the same things. I started to notice a similarity that bound these folks to one another. They were Republicans. The more I heard, the less they sounded like a free-thinking people. Everything that was said was party-line rhetoric. Predigested, pre-packaged
drivel handed down from on high. This started to smell like the things that we were told was wrong with a Communist Society. Think do and say what the party tells you to.
But these people were Americans. They were my friends and neighbors. I decided that, as an American, I would not judge. I would acccept their opinions and weigh them as significant. I would not even argue out of a desire not to offend my friends, neighbors and fellow Americans. I would expect only one thing and that is reciprocation. That doesn't happen. JimH makes a comment on how HE feels about something and the self-appointed "Guardians of Morality" jump down his "wrong-thinking" throat. That is the main difference between Democrats and Republicans. JimH has no problem with YOU thinking what you think.
And the mantra "Clinton did it" is just a smokescreen to obfuscate the shady dealings of the Republicans. If you had a "special prosecutor" hound you day and night, go through your trash, talk to your neighbors, and continually dig at anything and everything that you did or said for your entire life, I doubt if any of us would emerge unscathed. If that is ALL that a six year, open ended, fully funded investigation uncovered, then he is of a higher character than most of us. Clinton did to a CONSENTING adult intern what Nixon, Bush, Reagan and Bush do to the (UNCONSENTING) American people on a regular basis. No comparison. Personally immoral or globally immoral. Who among us has the RIGHT to judge?

I had a Ford Econoline van that I bought in 1970 and drove it almost 200,000 miles in 10 years before I sold it and STILL regret selling it. I have a 1973 Ford Ranger Pickup with a 302 V8 that runs wonderfully. I have had 2 Chevy's that were pieces of crap. Two Toyota's that were slightly better but still not as sound or reliable as my Fords. Just personal experience. If you like Chevy's, more power to you. Power is not everything.

I just happen to like Pepsi better than Coke. My favorite beer is Red Wolf. I'll drink Coke if that's what there is and but I won't drink Budweiser even if there's nothing else. Yes, I know Red Wolf is a Budweiser product. So is Michelob and I'll drink that in a pinch.

I'm done. Have a good day.

CVIII
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RE:Bug Deflector
« Reply #45 on: March 12, 2002, 06:07:59 pm »

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Worst nightmare. I've been named as a defendant in a lawsuit for some unknown reason. My deposition being taken before trial. Plaintiff's lawyer glares at me across the table and says:

"Mr. Hipster, I call your attention to the evening of June 17, 1962, and the early hours of the following day. Do you recall what you were doing, and with whom?"

My only hope: no-one else does, either. And all the photos were thrown away years ago.

One of about 3,000 good reasons I'd never enter politics.

HTH
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« Reply #46 on: March 12, 2002, 07:39:53 pm »

Michelob Dark is first class all the way. Drinking Newcastle as we speak. I am unable to imagine a situation so dire that I would be forced to resort to drinking Bud or Coors. Coors Winterfest isn't bad though, in a pinch.

My dad was in the navy from 1934-1945. The ship(s) that he was on during WWII participated in many of the major Pacific battles/campaigns. He had lots of decorations considering that he was only a machinist's mate. He earned higher rank a couple of times, but would routinely get busted down for fighting (unauthorized boxing matches and gambling) or trying to sneak bottles of liquor aboard ship. That stuff happened back then; I don't know about now. He was a card-carrying union member from 1946 to 1999 (I have his 50 year pin on my monitor--looking up at it now--can't imagine--50 years). He was a lifetime member of the VFW. He had  "Buy American," VFW and U.S. flag decals on every Ford, Chevy or more often, International Harvester truck that he had owned during my lifetime. He only wore boots (work boots at work, cowboy boots the rest of the time) or slippers, always wore a huge belt buckle and bolo tie--one would have the VFW insignia, the other the union insignia, and either a cowboy hat or a baseball cap with his ship's insignia. He drank beer. Lots of it. Said "water rusts your pipes."  And he smoked cigars--cheap, smelly ones. He mostly ate steak and potatoes, or cheese, salami and crackers. He liked talking about football, cars and women (not in that order), he swore a lot, and he liked to tell dirty jokes. He liked to hunt and fish, and tell stories about shooting wolves and foxes for the cash value of their pelts in 1920s upstate New York, and using his pet ferret to catch rabbits and whatnot.He liked country music--old style honky tonk and western swing, but particularly patriotic historical ballads. He liked to play poker with "the boys." He watched boxing, football or hockey and those silly fishing programs, the news and the History Channel-type war documentaries, and that's about it. Yet, he was intolerant of very few things, but those things typically had to do with people who take the wonderful gift that is this country for granted. Get the mental picture? He was a "man's man" and a "true, red-blooded American." I would call him a "hick," but he'd correct me and say that he was a hillbilly. I always assumed that he was a Democrat.

When my dad was in what would turn out to be his last hospital visit, I made a complaint about taxes. Not about paying taxes, but about the fact that a huge retroactive pay raise had been put on my regular paycheck, bumping me up a couple of tax brackets for the check, and thereby nullifying the retroactive raise. He misunderstood, and lit in to me like I was an ungrateful child complaining about what had been made for me to eat or about what I had received for Christmas. He proceeded to remind me of all the things that I expect to be in place each day--from infrastructure to public safety to defense to education to . . .well you name it. This list took a surprisingly long time, and many of the daily "expections" that he listed I hadn't really thought much about. Then, he did something unexpected--he said that we get away too easy and we should be paying more taxes, and that many private organizations should be government run. I listened for a while, then pointed out that he was advocating socialism. Then, he had me fetch his wallet. In it was several social security-size voter registration cards going back decades. He was a registered Socialist (some said "Peace & Freedom Party). He told me that he had been one from the early 30s. He was one of those who was grateful for FDR saving our democracy by making the country slightly more socialist than it had ever been, but he believed that FDR had not gone far enough. Mind you, neither my dad, his brothers or his father were out of work during the Great Depression. But he knew plenty that were. And he witnessed the suffering. He never forgot it, or what FDR did for the people at that time. He spent 4 years fighting in a war--he recalled the sorror of the Great Depression.

My dad told me that he usually voted Democrat because there were so few socialist candidates anymore, and because the Democratic party tended to care more about everyday people than Republicans. He said this (I'll never forget it): "People have called me a "bleeding-heart" liberal, and they seem to think that this is some kind of insult. It means to me that I care about something other than myself. I can live with that. Always have anyway. Republicans--what do people call them again? Doesn't matter. There's two types of Republicans: 1% are those that have "made it" and they wouldn't care what WE call them anyway. The other 99% are wannabe's--they just want to be like the other 1%. They're the ones that are always making up some explanatiom--excuse for why it's Ok for them to be selfish. They're like five year old olds fighing over one toy in a full toybox. Remember this--the rich got that way on the backs of the poor, and us stupid poor people should hate them, but we either want to be like the rich or we just give up and go on welfare. Dont't ever give up. Don't ever go on welfare. Don't ever be a Republican." Then he started talking about wanting to "do" the nurse, and when she came in he asked if it was time for his sponge bath. As it always was with my dad--I was both embarrassed and proud.

My dad knew that he was preaching to the converted though. The bottom line is, Republican or Democrat, slightly right or slightly left of center, we're all Americans (well, those of us that are Americans--and this is directed at the Democrat vs. Republican debate), and we all want what's best for the country. We disagree on the methods of achieving our collective goal. I'm selfish--I want America to be strong for centuries to come. I want my great-grand children and beyond to enjoy what I've enjoyed. Dialog like this is constructive. I value your viewpoints, even if they differ from my own. Most of the time I can not only understand how those more conservative than I feel, but sometimes I feel that way myself. Then I consider where I believe that path leads, and then I back my thinking up and start again.

Please, feel free to jump down my throat. Clarify your position. Critique mine. Isn't it great that we can? I love this place.
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RE:Bug Deflector
« Reply #47 on: March 12, 2002, 09:29:37 pm »

That was quite something to read. Thank you for writing that.
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RE:Bug Deflector
« Reply #48 on: March 12, 2002, 11:31:31 pm »

HTH: > And please - we can have honest differences of opinion without reverting to name-calling.

I think I missed the name calling.

Lefty: > Enron is a warning to us as to where capitalism without responsibility can lead us.

This came across my email.  You can investigate it's validity:


Enron's chairman did meet with the president and the vice president
in the Oval Office. Enron gave $420,000 to the president's party over three
years. It donated $100,000 to the president's inauguration festivities. The
Enron chairman stayed at the White House 11 times. The corporation had access
to the administration at its highest levels and even enlisted the Commerce
and State Departments to grease deals for it. The taxpayer-supported Export-Import
Bank subsidized Enron for more than $600 million in just one transaction.
But... the president under whom all this happened wasn't George W. Bush.

It was Bill Clinton.


The bottom line is that too many national politicians are scum. (Now there's some good ol' American name calling!)  As far as this Democrat/Republican argument, my views are too libertarian to match either, but I need to vote in a manner that will actually have an impact--and I'm tired of the Democrats picking my pocket.

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« Reply #49 on: March 12, 2002, 11:38:45 pm »

MHorton -

Criticism of Republicans' financial status or want is unfair without a discussion of the financial status or want of Democrat politicians.  Have you ever looked into where the Kennedy money came from?  These politicians are fooling us all.  They argue and fight all day long, and at night they get drunk together and slap backs all around.  They have lifelong pensions and tax breaks.  They have collectively #&%*ed us good.  So, please, smile when you're getting a good #&%*.

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