Topic: JRiver Id Questions? (Read 370386 times)

mateo · « **Reply #850 on:** January 03, 2018, 08:48:51 pm »

Still stuck... You can see in this snapshot (1) I successfully loaded 27 files onto the Id via the network, (2) MC is connected to the Id Library Server using the access key but it says it has 0 files, and (3) Tools->Import is grayed out.

What am I still doing wrong?

JimH · « **Reply #851 on:** January 04, 2018, 06:24:45 am »

In your screenshot of MC, you're showing the Id as a server. Try rebooting the server, or just exiting MC. It will restart in a minute and should import the files.

If that doesn't work, your auto import settings are probably wrong. You have to tell MC what folders to import and what file types.

GaryB · « **Reply #852 on:** January 04, 2018, 07:51:45 am »

I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to post this question, but I have spent most of the Christmas and new year break trying to solve this on my own bit have failed.
I have the NUC Id (Fully Baked) and am trying to play back a 96k 5.1 Flac file, through the HDMI port, to an Audio extractor that should then send the 5.1 audio over a Toslink into the back of my Bose Media Centre.

According to Audio Path it tells me that I am indeed playing a 6ch file ( down sampled to 48K).

My media centre shows the file as PCM 2.0 but does not tell me that the audio is Dolby or DTS and my rear speakers are quiet.

To prove the bits I do understand connecting my blueray players hdmi output to the Audio extractor and placing a 5.1 dvd in the drive causes the media centre to react as expected.

Am I missing something fundamental here?

Gary

Awesome Donkey · « **Reply #853 on:** January 04, 2018, 07:54:01 am »

Random shot in the dark, but have you tried enabling Dolby/DTS bitstreaming?

Also: https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/DTS_WAV

GaryB · « **Reply #854 on:** January 04, 2018, 08:24:47 am »

Quote from: Awesome Donkey on January 04, 2018, 07:54:01 am

Random shot in the dark, but have you tried enabling Dolby/DTS bitstreaming?

Also: https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/DTS_WAV

If you mean the setting in the attached screenshot then yes.....
Along with changing the the Specified output format in the DLNA settings.

rkl2525 · « **Reply #855 on:** January 04, 2018, 10:18:50 am »

I purchased an Id Classic last month and have spent several days trying to get it set up without success. My goal was to use the Id connected by USB to my surround sound processor. I want to connect a 1TB WD passport external drive connected by USB to the Id to store my Music files. The Id will be controlled by a MacBook Air using MC23. The Id was connected to my LAN via ethernet cable and the MacBook Air connects to the LAN wireless. I do not have access to a windows computer or Internet Explorer. The Id will need to be run headless without a monitor once it is set up.

When I connected the Id via HDMI to my TV I went through the install guide instructions but could not find the Id in MC on the MacBook Air. I also could not confirm that the WD passport had been mounted. Here are my questions at this point;

1. Is it possible to set up and operate the Id in my environment using only Apple computers as I have described above?

2. If the answer to #1 is yes then how do I locate the Id in MC23 on the MacBook Air. I could not find it under Playing Now.

3. How do I change the output on the Id from HDMI to USB? I tried to switch the output from HDMI to USB going into Tools-Options-Media Network without success.

3. How to I mount the WD passport external drive to the Id and confirm it is operating properly?

Thanks,

Ron

bob · « **Reply #856 on:** January 04, 2018, 01:05:18 pm »

Quote from: GaryB on January 04, 2018, 08:24:47 am

If you mean the setting in the attached screenshot then yes.....
Along with changing the the Specified output format in the DLNA settings.

Trying to understand the flow.
The audio extractor is a device connected via to the Id via HDMI and it's expecting a 5 channel PCM file?

In this case the DLNA settings aren't in play.

Since the output is going to 48k that means DSP studio is being used.
The default settings for that are to downsample and mix to suit the capabilities of the built-in audio.
You should go into DSP studio for the main player zone and change the settings to not do channel mixing and not resample rates that your device supports.

bob · « **Reply #857 on:** January 04, 2018, 01:14:13 pm »

Quote from: rkl2525 on January 04, 2018, 10:18:50 am

I purchased an Id Classic last month and have spent several days trying to get it set up without success. My goal was to use the Id connected by USB to my surround sound processor. I want to connect a 1TB WD passport external drive connected by USB to the Id to store my Music files. The Id will be controlled by a MacBook Air using MC23. The Id was connected to my LAN via ethernet cable and the MacBook Air connects to the LAN wireless. I do not have access to a windows computer or Internet Explorer. The Id will need to be run headless without a monitor once it is set up.

You should be able to do this, that's a normal use case.

Quote

When I connected the Id via HDMI to my TV I went through the install guide instructions but could not find the Id in MC on the MacBook Air. I also could not confirm that the WD passport had been mounted. Here are my questions at this point;

1. Is it possible to set up and operate the Id in my environment using only Apple computers as I have described above?

2. If the answer to #1 is yes then how do I locate the Id in MC23 on the MacBook Air. I could not find it under Playing Now.

3. How do I change the output on the Id from HDMI to USB? I tried to switch the output from HDMI to USB going into Tools-Options-Media Network without success.

3. How to I mount the WD passport external drive to the Id and confirm it is operating properly?

Thanks,

Ron

If Media Network is enabled on your Mac you should be able to see the Id on your Mac MC under Playing Now. If that's not the case you should check the network connection on the Id (wired or wireless?)
You don't need windows to manage the Id, there are several different ways of doing it:
Panel is one (once you see it in MC on the Mac).
Another is VNC or Remote Desktop to connect directly to the Id GUI (you can get both VNC and Remote Desktop for the Mac, Remote Desktop is available from Apple free and TigerVNC is available for the Mac free).
If you have a monitor and keyboard attached for configuration, you can do basic setup from the headless mode text menu.
You change the output from internal to USB either with Panel or in the MC Audio Options menu on the Id (via VNC, etc).

GaryB · « **Reply #858 on:** January 04, 2018, 05:29:07 pm »

Quote from: bob on January 04, 2018, 01:05:18 pm

Trying to understand the flow.
The audio extractor is a device connected via to the Id via HDMI and it's expecting a 5 channel PCM file?

In this case the DLNA settings aren't in play.

Since the output is going to 48k that means DSP studio is being used.
The default settings for that are to downsample and mix to suit the capabilities of the built-in audio.
You should go into DSP studio for the main player zone and change the settings to not do channel mixing and not resample rates that your device supports.

Correct Bob, HDMI lead from the Id to the Audio extractor, audio extractor converts to 2ch analogue and Optical. Optical choices are 2 channel or 5.1. The optical output is plugged into optical input of the Bose.

When I play Audio from the Id the Bose recognises the audio as PCM 2.0 plays it but without the surround info.

If I move the hdmi lead to a blu-ray player and play 5.1 audio the Bose changes to Dolby Digital and the surround becomes active.

I set the Down sample to 48k as without I get full scale very loud non locked digital noise.

I only started messing with (DLNA) settings when I had exhausted everything else!

Gary

If the hdmi lead is moved from the ID to Blu Ray device, and a 5.1 piece of audio played, the media centre switches as expected.

rkl2525 · « **Reply #859 on:** January 04, 2018, 09:39:01 pm »

I have been successful in getting the Id to download files from the WD passport external drive and play them through my surround sound processor using the USB output. The Id is showing on my MacBook Air and I can play files remotely using the MB Air. However when I try to use DSP Studio functions I get a message that DSP studio can only be used in local zones. The DSP studio functions are what I enjoy most about JRiver MC and I need to be able to remotely make adjustments as I am listing to music. How can I accomplish this with the iD?

Thanks for your help.

Ron

BradATIMA · « **Reply #860 on:** January 05, 2018, 08:32:06 am »

Quote from: rkl2525 on January 04, 2018, 09:39:01 pm

I have been successful in getting the Id to download files from the WD passport external drive and play them through my surround sound processor using the USB output. The Id is showing on my MacBook Air and I can play files remotely using the MB Air. However when I try to use DSP Studio functions I get a message that DSP studio can only be used in local zones. The DSP studio functions are what I enjoy most about JRiver MC and I need to be able to remotely make adjustments as I am listing to music. How can I accomplish this with the iD?

You'll need to set the DSP Studio options on the Id, not the MacBook. You can do this by using a VNC or RDP client (the ones Bob mentioned) to remotely connect to the Id, and you can configure the DSP Studio options that way.

bob · « **Reply #861 on:** January 05, 2018, 09:45:41 am »

Quote from: GaryB on January 04, 2018, 05:29:07 pm

Correct Bob, HDMI lead from the Id to the Audio extractor, audio extractor converts to 2ch analogue and Optical. Optical choices are 2 channel or 5.1. The optical output is plugged into optical input of the Bose.

When I play Audio from the Id the Bose recognises the audio as PCM 2.0 plays it but without the surround info.

If I move the hdmi lead to a blu-ray player and play 5.1 audio the Bose changes to Dolby Digital and the surround becomes active.

I set the Down sample to 48k as without I get full scale very loud non locked digital noise.

I only started messing with (DLNA) settings when I had exhausted everything else!

Gary

If the hdmi lead is moved from the ID to Blu Ray device, and a 5.1 piece of audio played, the media centre switches as expected.

So the original material is 5.1.
Bitstreaming is Options is set to none.
You are downsampling that in MC to 48k in DSP studio output format.
The channels setting in output format is set to source number of channels
When you play this material to the audio extractor it's set to convert to what? to send to the bose?

If you set the DSP studio output format channels setting in MC to 5.1 channels does that make a difference?

GaryB · « **Reply #862 on:** January 05, 2018, 10:35:47 am »

Quote from: bob on January 05, 2018, 09:45:41 am

So the original material is 5.1.
Bitstreaming is Options is set to none.
You are downsampling that in MC to 48k in DSP studio output format.
The channels setting in output format is set to source number of channels
When you play this material to the audio extractor it's set to convert to what? to send to the bose?

If you set the DSP studio output format channels setting in MC to 5.1 channels does that make a difference?

Hi Bob, in order

Yes, at 96k
Have tried Bitstream on ( hdmi ) and custom with everything ticked except DSD

Yes due to Very LOUD noise that comes out at 96 k
Tried both source number of channels and 5.1

As far as I know the extractor does no conversion ...
See link below

http://www.delock.com/produkt/62692/pdf.html?sprache=en

bob · « **Reply #863 on:** January 05, 2018, 11:26:44 am »

Quote from: GaryB on January 05, 2018, 10:35:47 am

Hi Bob, in order

Yes, at 96k
Have tried Bitstream on ( hdmi ) and custom with everything ticked except DSD

Yes due to Very LOUD noise that comes out at 96 k
Tried both source number of channels and 5.1

As far as I know the extractor does no conversion ...
See link below

http://www.delock.com/produkt/62692/pdf.html?sprache=en

Interesting...
Have you tried the same test with Windows or Mac?

Can you share one of your audio files with me (small preferably) so I can try to duplicate this (I'd feed it directly into a multichannel hdmi amp).

GaryB · « **Reply #864 on:** January 05, 2018, 12:13:37 pm »

Quote from: bob on January 05, 2018, 11:26:44 am

Interesting...
Have you tried the same test with Windows or Mac?

Can you share one of your audio files with me (small preferably) so I can try to duplicate this (I'd feed it directly into a multichannel hdmi amp).

I don't use Mac's.

Laptop has a mini display port connection will try to see if I can convert.

Do you want me to PM File?

mateo · « **Reply #865 on:** January 05, 2018, 12:21:29 pm »

OK, I got the files loaded and can play them ONLY from the Id GUI.

I don't have the same playback options in MC on my laptop as I do on the Id-loaded MC.

So how can I get MC synced on the laptop and Id so I don't have to use a monitor for the Id?

JimH · « **Reply #866 on:** January 05, 2018, 12:36:34 pm »

Your options for remotes are here:
https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Remotes

mateo · « **Reply #867 on:** January 05, 2018, 03:24:53 pm »

Got it. Thanks for all your help, Jim.

GaryB · « **Reply #868 on:** January 07, 2018, 06:11:32 am »

Quote from: GaryB on January 05, 2018, 12:13:37 pm

I don't use Mac's.

Laptop has a mini display port connection will try to see if I can convert.

Do you want me to PM File?

Bob, have tried playing same file via a windows laptop into the extractor(s), and the big difference between the laptop and the ID is they will play at the sample rate of the file with no down sampling and 6 channel.
The best I can get out of the ID being 48k. is this something to do with the Linux drivers for HDMI?

VenoM · « **Reply #869 on:** January 07, 2018, 12:10:55 pm »

Forgive me if this has been addressed in the last 18 pages of the thread, but I was wondering if this device will render DNLA text-to-speech requests. I'm looking for an inexpensive device that I'd be able to connect to my network to broadcast messages from my automation system and the Raspberry Pi version of the Id looks like it may fit the bill.
Thanks in advance

JimH · « **Reply #870 on:** January 07, 2018, 03:01:52 pm »

I've never heard of DLNA text-to-speech. I took a quick look. I suppose you have software that will take text and convert it to speech. If so, and if it can talk to a DLNA Renderer, then MC on the Id should work.

The Id is described here:

http://www.jriver.com/Id

If you are using other software to send the speech, please provide a few details.

VenoM · « **Reply #871 on:** January 07, 2018, 06:51:20 pm »

I've been using the DLNA plugin of the Vera controller to send TTS to some DNLA compatible media players in the recent past. Maybe someone can test this using an Android device. It's been a while since I experimented with this so I'll need to get back to you once I reestablish a method.
Thanks for your prompt reply

JimH · « **Reply #872 on:** January 07, 2018, 06:55:45 pm »

I'd be happy to test on Android if you can give me a way.

bob · « **Reply #873 on:** January 08, 2018, 09:05:46 am »

Quote from: GaryB on January 07, 2018, 06:11:32 am

Bob, have tried playing same file via a windows laptop into the extractor(s), and the big difference between the laptop and the ID is they will play at the sample rate of the file with no down sampling and 6 channel.
The best I can get out of the ID being 48k. is this something to do with the Linux drivers for HDMI?

Gary, the NUC Id should play up to 192k HDMI.
The IdPi was limited to 48k but we put out an update that makes it do up to 192k.

VenoM · « **Reply #874 on:** January 08, 2018, 02:36:56 pm »

Quote from: JimH on January 07, 2018, 06:55:45 pm

I'd be happy to test on Android if you can give me a way.

It looks like Tasker is the way to go, though I don't understand enough about the programming involved to manage a test on my own. I found a thread where someone discusses sending text announcements to a Sonos speaker here: https://en.community.sonos.com/advanced-setups-229000/http-post-command-reference-for-tasker-30365/index1.html#post15977024
It seems that the MediaRenderer commands would be helpful. If there is any way you can look at this and let me know if this would work with the Id (and the Windows player as well, for that matter)?
Thanks again for your assistance

JimH · « **Reply #875 on:** January 08, 2018, 02:51:32 pm »

I think that's more than I can help with just now. Sorry.

VenoM · « **Reply #876 on:** January 08, 2018, 08:48:15 pm »

Quote from: JimH on January 08, 2018, 02:51:32 pm

I think that's more than I can help with just now. Sorry.

No problem. I realize it was a bit of a big request. I'll see what kind of info I can find and testing I can do here and if I find a simpler way for you to test on the Id I'll let you know.
Thanks anyway

Gaspard · « **Reply #877 on:** January 19, 2018, 12:08:20 pm »

Hello,

I am interested by the Id. Two questions :
1- Is the Id compatible with Audio-GD master 11 DAC ? For windows, I need an amareno driver.
2- Is there any other solutions to upgrade pi for a richer sound ? Is it possible to use the Pink Faun I2S pCI-e board ?

Thank's

JimH · « **Reply #878 on:** January 19, 2018, 12:30:02 pm »

1. I don't know. If the DAC works with Linux without installing a driver, it should work with the Id.

2. You can't install boards in the Id or modify it in any way. It's an "appliance".

drmimosa · « **Reply #879 on:** January 21, 2018, 09:00:09 pm »

Does the IdNuc come with Engen installed?

JimH · « **Reply #880 on:** January 21, 2018, 09:57:37 pm »

HS12 · « **Reply #881 on:** January 31, 2018, 04:31:31 am »

I have just received my Id which I intend to use as my music server in place of my Macbook Pro and have gone through the set up process which has gone well but will not play through the USB output to my Project Dac Box DS2 Ultra. The Id recognises the USB Dac but when trying to play the MC23 on the Id reports it is unable to play 2channel 44.1khz files.
Are there drivers required for the Linux version of MC23?

JimH · « **Reply #882 on:** January 31, 2018, 06:43:21 am »

The driver question should be addressed to the manufacturer of the DAC. If it works on Linux without a driver, it will work with the Id.

Try using converting to 48Khz. Player > DSP Studio > Output Settings.

HS12 · « **Reply #883 on:** January 31, 2018, 07:12:36 am »

Quote from: JimH on January 31, 2018, 06:43:21 am

The driver question should be addressed to the manufacturer of the DAC. If it works on Linux without a driver, it will work with the Id.

Try using converting to 48Khz. Player > DSP Studio > Output Settings.

Hi Jim
Tried the 48khz with same result. DAC works fine off MC23 on Macbook with DAC but doesn't seem to like MC23 on Id,

BradATIMA · « **Reply #884 on:** January 31, 2018, 08:36:46 am »

Quote from: HS12 on January 31, 2018, 07:12:36 am

Hi Jim
Tried the 48khz with same result. DAC works fine off MC23 on Macbook with DAC but doesn't seem to like MC23 on Id,

If you go into Tools -> Options -> Audio, which device do you have selected from the list right under Audio Device? USB DACs usually have multiple instances in this list, so you might want to try other items from this list. Just make sure the item in the list indicates that it is the DAC.

HS12 · « **Reply #885 on:** January 31, 2018, 01:46:14 pm »

Quote from: BradATIMA on January 31, 2018, 08:36:46 am

If you go into Tools -> Options -> Audio, which device do you have selected from the list right under Audio Device? USB DACs usually have multiple instances in this list, so you might want to try other items from this list. Just make sure the item in the list indicates that it is the DAC.

Thanks for the information - tried all options and when I try and play a tune - I can hear the relays clicking in the DAC then I get the unable to play message. Optical output from Id works fine except for dsd

HS12 · « **Reply #886 on:** February 01, 2018, 03:10:54 am »

Quote from: HS12 on January 31, 2018, 01:46:14 pm

Thanks for the information - tried all options and when I try and play a tune - I can hear the relays clicking in the DAC then I get the unable to play message. Optical output from Id works fine except for dsd

DSD now sorted on optical

HS12 · « **Reply #887 on:** February 05, 2018, 09:28:42 am »

Quote from: HS12 on January 31, 2018, 01:46:14 pm

Thanks for the information - tried all options and when I try and play a tune - I can hear the relays clicking in the DAC then I get the unable to play message. Optical output from Id works fine except for dsd

I have now installed Firmware version 1.04 on my Pro-ject DAC Box DS2 Ultra and the USB is now fully recognised on the Id but only plays at 48khz whatever the output on DSP Studio.

Am I Doing something wrong?

JimH · « **Reply #888 on:** February 05, 2018, 09:37:39 am »

Did you check the box next to Output Settings?

Try rebooting.

HS12 · « **Reply #889 on:** February 05, 2018, 11:44:59 am »

Hi Jim

USB everything outputs at 48khz and will not play 44.1 unless upscaled to 48khz or dsd files by bit streaming dsd as it does on MAC version of MC23. Optical great up to 192khz but have to upscale 176.4khz files to 192khz as optical does not cover 176.4khz. and play dsd files at 192khz.

BradATIMA · « **Reply #890 on:** February 05, 2018, 01:39:52 pm »

Quote from: HS12 on February 05, 2018, 11:44:59 am

Hi Jim

USB everything outputs at 48khz and will not play 44.1 unless upscaled to 48khz or dsd files by bit streaming dsd as it does on MAC version of MC23. Optical great up to 192khz but have to upscale 176.4khz files to 192khz as optical does not cover 176.4khz. and play dsd files at 192khz.

What does Media Center show as the selected device from the device list in the Audio tab under Options? Also, try option 10 from the Id main menu (Show audio device information) to see what sample rates it shows as being supported by your DAC.

HS12 · « **Reply #891 on:** February 05, 2018, 01:56:29 pm »

Well believe it or not - I reverted to default settings, reloaded the library, set the DAC Box DS2 Ultra on D20 as USB sound card and nothing would play. I then went into system mixer and set the sound card to the DAC Box DS2 Ultra and "Eureka" plays everything up to dsd256.

Very Happy

mdooney@gmail.com · « **Reply #892 on:** February 09, 2018, 09:48:44 am »

Is MC23 available for Id? And if so what are the steps to install it?

thanks

BradATIMA · « **Reply #893 on:** February 09, 2018, 10:22:19 am »

Quote from: michaelmd on February 09, 2018, 09:48:44 am

Is MC23 available for Id? And if so what are the steps to install it?

Are you referring to the NUC Id or the IdPi?

mdooney@gmail.com · « **Reply #894 on:** February 09, 2018, 10:30:08 am »

NUC Id

BradATIMA · « **Reply #895 on:** February 09, 2018, 11:37:16 am »

Quote from: michaelmd on February 09, 2018, 10:30:08 am

NUC Id

I sent you private message.

HS12 · « **Reply #896 on:** March 06, 2018, 03:25:57 am »

I have been ripping cd’s via DbPoweramp to play through the JRiver Id and the playback at 44.1 is glitchy via USB
I have re-ripped a cd with a noticeable glitch in WAV, FLAC and AIFF and the glitches are all at the same places. Same track played though my CD transport into the DS2 Ultra is glitch free and if I output from the Id via the optical instead of USB replay is again glitch free. There also seems a noticable jump in the time display at the same time as the audible glitch.
I have found that I can eliminate these glitches on USB with a “sticking plaster” approach within JRiver both from the MAC and the Id of outputting 44.1 files as 88.2 which also seems to eliminate the any jumps on the time readout.
All other resolutions other than ripped 44.1 cd’s are glitch free via USB.
I have sent a copy of a ripped track with a noticeable glitch to Project to check out if they have issues with the DAC but they are unable to replicate the issue using the windows version of MC23 and Foobar2000.
Has this issue cropped up elsewhere?

JimH · « **Reply #897 on:** March 06, 2018, 06:35:20 am »

Try ripping in MC, just to test. Just use the defaults.

HS12 · « **Reply #898 on:** March 06, 2018, 07:58:56 am »

Hi Jim
Same problem whether I rip in MC, iTunes or dBPoweramp.

JimH · « **Reply #899 on:** March 06, 2018, 08:53:19 am »

What voltage is the power supply?

What is plugged into it? A drive?

https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/power/README.md

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