Topic: Rating songs on a 1-10 scale - workarounds? (Read 7030 times)

stumpygremlin · « **on:** February 23, 2015, 01:50:48 pm »

I know that MC doesn't natively support rating songs on a 1-10 scale. I am wondering if there are some kind of workarounds I can use to make that work so that I can use a 1-10 scale as easily as I use the stock 1-5 scale (as in that it lets me edit the rating right from the "Now Playing" section right on top.

Would some kind of expression be the way to go, as in this topic:?
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=83322.0

If so, I'm clueless as to how to do it...

Matt · « **Reply #1 on:** February 23, 2015, 02:11:27 pm »

Is just entering a number from 1 to 10 in the field too low tech?

stumpygremlin · « **Reply #2 on:** February 23, 2015, 02:18:29 pm »

I'd say yes, if only because I love the functionality of being able to edit my rating up top, like in the picture below.

Matt · « **Reply #3 on:** February 23, 2015, 03:57:46 pm »

I heard a rumor that one to ten ratings as a list column are coming.

Food for thought.

stumpygremlin · « **Reply #4 on:** February 23, 2015, 04:25:17 pm »

That'd be great if 1-10 was coming and it would have the same functionality that the current ratings system has right now.... I'd love for the powers that be behind this program take note... I'd love them forever!

That said, is there some kind of workaround that would work for me now, or am I stuck with just 1-5?

Matt · « **Reply #5 on:** February 23, 2015, 05:42:41 pm »

Quote from: stumpygremlin on February 23, 2015, 04:25:17 pm

I'd love for the powers that be behind this program take note

I am the powers that be. And I'm telling you there's a rumor because I have it mostly coded and working. Just one little glitch to iron out before release.

stumpygremlin · « **Reply #6 on:** February 23, 2015, 05:43:57 pm »

YAYYYYYYYYYYY well then... I love you forever!!!!

Gatherum · « **Reply #7 on:** February 23, 2015, 09:07:38 pm »

Since we're on the subject of rating systems, would it also be possible to implement a 1-3 system in much the same vein, or would it require a lot more work? Perhaps it's because I'm quite generous, but when I rate, it's quite rare for me to go below a 3 on the 1-5 scale since I'm very, very selective about my music.

Matt · « **Reply #8 on:** February 24, 2015, 10:53:52 am »

Quote from: Gatherum on February 23, 2015, 09:07:38 pm

Since we're on the subject of rating systems, would it also be possible to implement a 1-3 system in much the same vein, or would it require a lot more work? Perhaps it's because I'm quite generous, but when I rate, it's quite rare for me to go below a 3 on the 1-5 scale since I'm very, very selective about my music.

Well then couldn't you just use 3, 4, and 5?

Will N. Dowd · « **Reply #9 on:** February 24, 2015, 12:27:21 pm »

Such great news about the 10 star rating, I had just posted about it in MJ14 forums yesterday!:

http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=63786.0

Matt,

Will 10 stars make it to MJ14 or is it a MC 20 only feature to be?

Will

JimH · « **Reply #10 on:** February 24, 2015, 01:21:50 pm »

Only MC20.

Will N. Dowd · « **Reply #11 on:** February 24, 2015, 01:25:07 pm »

OK that's what I figured. What is the ETA on download?

JimH · « **Reply #12 on:** February 24, 2015, 01:27:11 pm »

Maybe this week.

mojave · « **Reply #13 on:** February 24, 2015, 01:33:53 pm »

Matt, stop thinking in binary. He wants a one to ten scale, not a one to two scale (1-10).

Will N. Dowd · « **Reply #14 on:** February 24, 2015, 01:37:38 pm »

I just thought of a potential problem with the 10 star system we wished for and are now getting. Portable Software like Poweramp etc only support 5 star ratings. Gonemad also supports 5 stars but allows half star ratings. If MC20 has 10 stars but portable apps only support 5 stars, it will cause major issues, since half the stars won't be displayed. Now I realize half star ratings is better if you use a portable device too, that's why other windows music players use it. 5 Stars is pretty much the universal system, it's used by essentially everyone, with some allowing half stars. Hmmm...anyone else think of this issue too? I've never seen an android music app with 10 star ratings.

Will N. Dowd · « **Reply #15 on:** February 24, 2015, 02:29:23 pm »

A 5 star system with half star capability gives the same range as a 10 star system and will be compatible with most portable music player apps.

Gatherum · « **Reply #16 on:** February 25, 2015, 12:12:32 am »

Quote from: Matt on February 24, 2015, 10:53:52 am

Well then couldn't you just use 3, 4, and 5?

I have been; I'd just like to try using a simpler system that doesn't revolve around the number '5'.
If it'd be too much trouble to code, that's fine. I had just wondered if it were feasible.

Failing that, I'll throw my hat into the ring for a half-star 1-10 system. Even before I wished for a three-star system, I had thought that'd be a good idea.

Will N. Dowd · « **Reply #17 on:** February 25, 2015, 01:28:09 am »

The missing half star rating option is the only thing that bothers me about MJ14. I'd even be prepared to contribute to add the coding to it. I only use MJ14 for laptop music control. No video, multi zone or any other fancy stuff, so it's enough for me. I especially love the system volume control option since I only use USB speakers because I want 1 global volume adjustment. Amazing how most music players out there don't have that.

Musicbee has the half star option, but it doesn't have system volume option and no option to disable it's internal volume control.

stumpygremlin · « **Reply #18 on:** February 25, 2015, 07:56:41 am »

It's also the only thing that bothers me about MC. The software is otherwise, for my needs, perfect.

TCube · « **Reply #19 on:** February 26, 2015, 02:08:32 pm »

Funny
If so (0 to 10), keep the upgrade for 20.xxx which I don't have
Premonition $:-\$
Tc

Matt · « **Reply #20 on:** February 26, 2015, 02:38:59 pm »

1 to 10 ratings are available in the build that's public now.

stumpygremlin · « **Reply #21 on:** February 26, 2015, 02:53:18 pm »

I just attempted to "check for updates" in my MC20, and it said my MC is up to date...

Matt · « **Reply #22 on:** February 26, 2015, 02:53:51 pm »

Quote from: stumpygremlin on February 26, 2015, 02:53:18 pm

I just attempted to "check for updates" in my MC20, and it said my MC is up to date...

You'll have to download manually for now. We aren't updating the XML file yet.

ferday · « **Reply #23 on:** February 26, 2015, 03:21:15 pm »

where is the new field (field name?)

i just got .79 and the [ratings] field is still five stars, can't find a new field anywhere? no doubt it's me but thanks for pointing me right

Matt · « **Reply #24 on:** February 26, 2015, 03:22:40 pm »

Quote from: ferday on February 26, 2015, 03:21:15 pm

where is the new field (field name?)

i just got .79 and the [ratings] field is still five stars, can't find a new field anywhere? no doubt it's me but thanks for pointing me right

You add a new library field in Options and set it to 10 stars as the edit type.

ferday · « **Reply #25 on:** February 26, 2015, 03:25:37 pm »

got it working, thanks Matt

i don't do "ratings" but this is a useful graphical field for some of my stuff. thanks for adding

MrHaugen · « **Reply #26 on:** March 03, 2015, 08:35:56 am »

Exciting! Thanks for taking the time to do this.

DoubtingThomas · « **Reply #27 on:** March 03, 2015, 10:45:51 am »

Matt, will the 1-10 be in addition to the existing 1-5? I like having just 1-5 and I have a process set up around that.

Matt · « **Reply #28 on:** March 03, 2015, 10:55:46 am »

Quote from: DoubtingThomas on March 03, 2015, 10:45:51 am

Matt, will the 1-10 be in addition to the existing 1-5? I like having just 1-5 and I have a process set up around that.

1-10 is for fields you add (and configure that way).

The default rating field will remain 1-5.

broncodan · « **Reply #29 on:** March 04, 2015, 12:02:06 pm »

I am guessing that this new field won't be able to be tied in to Play Doctor and that it will still eliminate songs that are 1 or 2 stars? I like the idea of having additional rating spots - and could see this being useful for creating additional playlist/smartlists but this doesn't solve the actual Play Doctor problem for me.

I would still like to see the rating weight bias option as proposed by Glynor in other threads: http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=95381.0

To me the 5 star rating system has different meanings between video and audio:

Video - pretty common when looking at reviews, etc - 1 or 2 stars means that the movie isn't very good. - So these are bad

Audio - at least to me - indicating a rating of anything means that you like it better than other songs - so a 1 means I like it better than the unrated songs, 2 a little more, etc.

I could see where there is a case for having an indicator for songs you don't like - this could be an actual rating of Zero and you would still have Unrated which is neutral or alternatively Zero or Unrated is neutral and a negative rating could be I don't like it.

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