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The word "crazy" is unhelpful
Blaine78:
--- Quote from: DarkPenguin on August 12, 2015, 06:55:22 pm ---I wasn't trying to be helpful.
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yes, everyone can see that and is the title and point of this thread.
Awesome Donkey:
Crazy or not, some of the beliefs that go around in audiophile circles is pretty 'out there'.
Blaine78:
--- Quote from: Awesome Donkey on August 12, 2015, 08:44:39 pm ---Crazy or not, some of the beliefs that go around in audiophile circles is pretty 'out there'.
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Was the 'out there' ideas which are now common place. To think, the world is round, just crazy. Science has explained a lot, and began with an open mind, but the unknown is much more vast. The ideas maybe 'out there' but not crazy.
AlexS:
--- Quote from: mwillems on August 12, 2015, 07:31:14 pm ---I just re-read your thread, and I'm not sure why you think people have been impolite to you. Your ideas certainly did not get a warm reception. You might get a better reception in the future if you made concrete suggestions and explained how they would be beneficial, instead of repeatedly linking to a 4,000 word certification spec that doesn't articulate any specific benefits to receiving the certification. An example of one such post:
The benefits of the certification obviously seem self-evident to you; they clearly are not so self-evident to anyone else in the thread (or to me for that matter even after reading the link twice). Several of the participants in that thread who were confused about what you were trying to say were not mods, just users like you and me. Take that as a cue that perhaps you are not succeeding as a communicator and should explain yourself a bit better and more concretely (as Hendrik suggested).
Not to put too fine a point on it, but perhaps rather than pointing out the speck in your neighbor's eye-rolling emoticons, remove instead the beam from your own eye-rolling emoticons.
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The eye rolling emotions are in responses to quotes like this:
"MC works just fine on Windows 10, there is no reason for anyone to worry about any certification."
"It is a marketing scheme."
These are just point blank rejections/statements which really don't exactly grasp at anything.
In response to asking for specifics in the article, do you actually expect me to discuss every single test the certification process goes through? Do you know how many threads that would take?
Win developer/s should well know, there is a certification parser that goes through the code and does a number of tests, here it is:
https://dev.windows.com/en-us/develop/app-certification-kit
if you look through the large document I previously quoted (which I don't expect everybody to understand) the tests do appear extremely useful, none of the tests seem frivolous to me. Now I'm a MS developer myself so I really don't expect those who aren't developers to understand this. But I do expect developers to.
When I read the statement "we probably fullfill 90% already", I tend gasp in amazement over this. That's sort of crazy to say so if you don't mind me saying.. There are many tests if you look at the document, and JRiver I assume is an app with a huge amount of code. How would anybody know exactly how it stands until you run it through that parser?
Once it has been run through (maybe QA would attempt to do this perhaps), there will certainly be some failed tests. From that the developers can decide what is worth fixing or not. I suspect pretty much all of it would be, if not all of it. But how would they know if they didn't just attempt to run the code through it... The other alternative is don't do anything, just say everything is great, we are perfect, the code is perfect and move on. That's just kidding yourself.
Now I might have got around to explaining this if the thread had not been locked. We could have discussed it further. But I wasn't allowed to.
I appreciate testing isn't a sexy conversation for most, so the reactions really don't surprise me. Many developers hide in fear when the word is mentioned as well, or get angry that their code is being questioned.
astromo:
AlexS, I don't think you'll get very far trying to rehash a subject that's been locked down, by grafting your concerns into another thread.
--- Quote from: glynor on August 12, 2015, 07:12:37 pm ---But once the question has been asked and answered by the developers, as yours was, then further discussion only leads to trouble, and isn't "helpful". I was the one who locked that thread. That is why. We were rehashing the same arguments over again, which accomplishes nothing.
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This thread is running the risk of going the same way.
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