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Windows => JRiver Media Center 32 for Windows => Topic started by: cncb on February 01, 2024, 01:09:48 pm
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Description
The new file info templates in Theater View for Movies and TV Shows are capable of retrieving and displaying rich metadata on-the-fly. We owe user lepa and others many thanks for their creative work that we've built on.
The new templates use Spotlight's aggregation capabilities to find and display the data.
Instructions
Back up! It's under File > Menu in MC.
Make sure you have done "Library Tools > Analyze Video" for all your movies so the necessary metadata exists for the new template.
Your current templates will be backed up before they are overwritten/upgraded with the new default templates. To restore your templates, select Tools > Options > Theater View > Customize file info panel > Manage > Import All Templates. Select the xml backup in {Library Directory}/Backup which should be the default directory opened in the dialog. You can see the {Library Directory} when you hover over the library in the left-side tree.
Example: C:\Users\jimh\AppData\Roaming\J River\Media Center 32\Library\Backup
You may also want to back up on your own before upgrading. If you don't want your templates to be overwritten, then after you restore, manually edit the version in your current templates file (with a text file editor) to be Version="100.0" or some high number. The templates file path is "C:\Users\USERNAME\AppData\Roaming\J River\Media Center 32\Library\theater view file info templates.xml" in Windows for a local library. For a library server client, this has to be done on the server. Note that if you do any editing of the templates in the MC dialog, it will revert to the current version when saved.
Build 44 and greater now allows you to select a custom templates file in Theater View Options. You can select any file you place in {Library Directory}\Templates. The pre-MC32 templates file (text-based) is placed there automatically for selection. This means no more re-importing your backup when there are changes to the default (if you select a different file in Options).
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Firstly, looks good! Like the icons showing the audio formats and layouts as well as the bit that says when it is going to end.
Just had a browse around my Video collection and found the following oddities:
- No differentiation in regard to video info like resolution etc, eg can't see any difference in my UHD-BD vs BD / SD vs HD vs UHD
- Not sure where the additional "Recommended" videos come from but many of them don't seem related. Eg I looked at "12 Strong" and would expect to see other war movies, but it seemed to like other movies also with "12" in their titles and other weird ones. None of these recommendations were in my library (if that was the goal). Is it just done on similar "Names", eg Bond movies recommends other Bond movies exclusively. Some titles did not get any recommendations (eg Alita: Battle Angel). There is also plenty of empty room in the Grid View where you could put these recommendations (see pic 1).
- Sometimes the Cast or Recommended is not visible unless you got down to that section (well at least for the 1st time)
- When using the "roller" instead of "grid" and go into an item, the coverart zooms right in on one spot. When going in the item for the first time it does a double flash and stays at the roller level after entering the detail level for only a second.
Looks like it is a drawing issue with this type of view. Also MC crashed once in this view (but I've not repeated the issue).
- Looks like the changes are only for "Movies" not "TV Shows" etc?
Thanks
Nathan
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The other thing that I thought would be good is the ability to select a "Recommended" (if it is in your library) and jump to that.
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for a small screen i have been using small poster to fill some space but not making it too crowdy.
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- Not sure where the additional "Recommended" videos come from but many of them don't seem related. Eg I looked at "12 Strong" and would expect to see other war movies, but it seemed to like other movies also with "12" in their titles and other weird ones.
I think that "recommendation" field of tmdb is showing much more similar movies than actual "similar" field so I have been using recommendations to show similar ;D
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Firstly, looks good! Like the icons showing the audio formats and layouts as well as the bit that says when it is going to end.
We can thank lepa for that.
Just had a browse around my Video collection and found the following oddities:
- No differentiation in regard to video info like resolution etc, eg can't see any difference in my UHD-BD vs BD / SD vs HD vs UHD
This just has not been added yet.
- Not sure where the additional "Recommended" videos come from but many of them don't seem related. Eg I looked at "12 Strong" and would expect to see other war movies, but it seemed to like other movies also with "12" in their titles and other weird ones. None of these recommendations were in my library (if that was the goal). Is it just done on similar "Names", eg Bond movies recommends other Bond movies exclusively. Some titles did not get any recommendations (eg Alita: Battle Angel). There is also plenty of empty room in the Grid View where you could put these recommendations (see pic 1).
These are from TMDB. We can try a different list as lepa suggests.
None of the Spotlight data is available from the Grid view because that causes Spotlight data to be generated from the Internet if it hasn't already. It probably would not be a good idea to have this happen when you just highlight a movie in the grid.
- Sometimes the Cast or Recommended is not visible unless you got down to that section (well at least for the 1st time)
This is due to the Spotlight data being generated/downloaded if it does not exist. We will try to improve this.
- When using the "roller" instead of "grid" and go into an item, the coverart zooms right in on one spot. When going in the item for the first time it does a double flash and stays at the roller level after entering the detail level for only a second.
Looks like it is a drawing issue with this type of view. Also MC crashed once in this view (but I've not repeated the issue).
We will look into this.
- Looks like the changes are only for "Movies" not "TV Shows" etc?
Correct
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what does the icon on the far right mean? no of channels in the audio track perhaps?
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Its a 5.1 channel layout depiction.
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I think mattkan was referring to the 3 dots.
By downloading v12, I naturally lost the old template created by lepa.
The new one is a good step forward compared to the default template, but with the limitations already mentioned above by jmone and obviously still not up to the superb template I had previously. I then tried to add it again among the available templates, but it didn't load the photos of the actors even using zratings.
Luckily I had made a backup of the partition but when restoring it the computer crashed.
As soon as I have time, I will try to restore the PC, but I would like to be able to choose between the new template and the previous ones, as I did in the past
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The old template was backed up when MC was installed.
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Sorry JimH but I don't understand what you mean :'(: can you explain better? Thank you
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From the first post in this thread:
Your current templates will be backed up before they are overwritten/upgraded with the new default templates. The backup will be in {Library Directory}/Backup.
Example:
C:\Users\jimh\AppData\Roaming\J River\Media Center 32\Library\Templates
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Make sure you have done "Library Tools > Analyze Video" for all your movies so the necessary metadata exists for the new template.
Do you mean Analyze Audio ?
I can´t find Analyze Video under Library Tools.
- Is analyze Video a new feature that I do not see as I'm not on version 32?
Q: What metadata is collected when analyzing a movie file?
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Try selecting a few videos and right click. Analyze Video should be there.
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I don't have this directory either. Is it only created when you create and import your own templates, or is it already created when you install the program?
Using build 08.
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Do you mean Analyze Audio ?
I can´t find Analyze Video under Library Tools.
- Is analyze Video a new feature that I do not see as I'm not on version 32?
Q: What metadata is collected when analyzing a movie file?
I think Analyze Video was introduced in v 31. It fills in a number of mostly technical data fields including Audio Codecs, Video Codecs, etc.
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I'm sorry, but this folder isn't on my PC.
This was renamed to "Backup" in build 12. To restore your templates, just select "Import All Templates" in the Templates dialog and then navigate to and select the xml backup in {Library Directory}/Backup. You can see the {Library Directory} when you hover over the library in the left-side tree.
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I think Analyze Video was introduced in v 31. It fills in a number of mostly technical data fields including Audio Codecs, Video Codecs, etc.
My results in 32.0.8 vary. Only Blu-Ray movies appear to get updated, not DVDs. If I select a Blu-Ray and a DVD together and try to analyze video, neither get updated. MKV rips work, too, but not when selected along with a DVD.
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My results in 32.0.8 vary. Only Blu-Ray movies appear to get updated, not DVDs.
Are you talking about IFO files? I'm not sure if analyze works for those. Maybe Hendrik can chime in.
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Build 13 includes support for a high version of the templates file to prevent it from being overwritten with upgrades. See the first post.
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Are you talking about IFO files? I'm not sure if analyze works for those. Maybe Hendrik can chime in.
Correct. My ripped DVDs are IFO files.
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Correct. My ripped DVDs are IFO files.
Hendrik confirmed that Analyze Video does not work on IFO files.
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Update looks good. Can I suggest a couple more tweaks:
- Can you still put up the icon for resolution even if it is Dolby Vision (as HDR and resolution are different)
- Add an icon for 3D (eg FileType of "bdmv3d" is both BD and 3d)
Keep up the good work! It will also be great when it spreads over the other Media Sub Types.
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I may have missed it but should all the badges appear under the movie title? There's often one that appears at the end of the title and then the rest below the title.
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I see that as well, and agree they all should be on the 2nd line.
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As MC doesn't get all the critic ratings like the third party solutions maybe move technical icons to lower part and display tmdb rating in the inforow
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As MC doesn't get all the critic ratings like the third party solutions maybe move technical icons to lower part and display tmdb rating in the inforow
Lepa, what font are you using in that display?
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I'm not a fan of TMDB recommendations (honestly any pre-baked movie recommendations available are iffy)
They generally are unrelated or just 'popular'. One approach I had (that doesn't rely on more complex metrics) was merging the recommendations from all data sources, filtering OUT popular films and then slotting in selections from 3 top billed cast members and the director / writer. I also use keywords to try and filter things out. Keywords are sourced from highly curated lists, a metadata source and ML, the keywords that seem to exist in the commonly used non commercial metadata sources are TERRIBLE.
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Lepa, what font are you using in that display?
Description is just plain "Segoe UI" and rest is "Theater"
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As MC doesn't get all the critic ratings like the third party solutions maybe move technical icons to lower part and display tmdb rating in the info row
Is that screenshot from the work you did or from the new work in MC32? Just curious :)
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It is mine. If it gives some inspiration for JRiver folks then thats fine if not that's fine also ;D As I don't want hijack the thread so prefer discussion about the user created custom thingys here (https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,135179.0.html) but reply to question it is earlier template adjusted to MC32
- Size scaling variable added to possibly help with different resolutions
- Ratings row replaced by tech icons as a showcase when there is no multiple rating values available
zeldafied preview for small:
#### CONFIG ####/
Save(Finnish, v_PRIMARY_LANG)/
Save(English, v_SECONDARY_LANG)/
Save(face="Segoe UI", v_BODY_FONT)/
Save(face="Theater", v_TITLE_FONT)/
Save(face="Hack", v_MONO_FONT)/
Save(1, v_USE_RECOMMENDATIONS_IMAGES)/
Save(0, v_RECOMMENDATIONS_IMAGES_ZSTATS)/
Save(30, v_RECOMMENDATIONS_SCRAPE_EXPIRY)/
Save(e://.MC Images//Actors//A-Z, V_ACTOR_IMAGE_PATH)/
Save(d://audio//MC31//Data//Tooltip//, V_TOOLTIP_PATH)/
Save(e://.MC Images//Movies//Replace([Name],:,/ ) /([Year]/) /[[imdb id]/]//Logos//logo.png, v_LOGO_FILEPATH)/
Save(1, v_ACTOR_ALT_ROLES)/
Save(1, v_SHOW_TEXT_ROLES)/
Save(1, v_SHOW_TEXT_ACTORS)/
Save(1, v_SHOW_POSTER)/
Save(0, v_LOGO)/
Save(1, v_SHOW_ACTOR_MODULE)/
Save(1, v_SHOW_RECOMMENDATIONS_MODULE)/
Save(1, v_SHOW_VIDEO_DETAILS_MODULE)/
Save(1, v_SHOW_RATINGS_MODULE)/
Save(0, v_SHOW_RATINS_SMALL_MODULE)/
Save(1, v_DEBUG_ON)/
Save(1, v_SCALE)
#### COLOUR VARIABLES ####/
Save(color="#f2edf4", v_COLOR_BODY)/
Save(color="#5b799b", v_COLOR_HEADER)/
Save(color="#75889F", v_COLOR_HEADER2)/
Save(color="#f69838", v_COLOR_STARS)/
Save(color="#dce4ea", v_COLOR_TITLE)/
Save(color="#5e5e63", v_COLOR_INFOROW)/
Save(color="#808084", v_COLOR_INFOROW_SMALL)/
Save(color="#569AF0", v_COLOR_BODY_LARGE)
##### SMALL VARIABLES ######/
Save(size="Math(Round(100 * [v_SCALE]))", v_SF_SIZE_TITLE)/
Save(size="Math(Round(70 * [v_SCALE]))", v_SF_SIZE_BODY)/
Save(size="Math(Round(85 * [v_SCALE]))", v_SF_SIZE_DESCR)/
Save(size="Math(Round(90 * [v_SCALE] * [v_SCALE]))", v_SF_SIZE_RATINGS)/
Save(If(Compare([v_SCALE],<,1),1,85), v_SVER_SPACER)/
Save(<img src="tooltip:Misc\separator\1x1-transparent" size="Math([v_SCALE] * 12)x1">,v_SICON_DELIM)
Save(Math(Round(140 * [v_SCALE])), v_SPOSTER_W)/
Save(Math(Round(210 * [v_SCALE])), v_SPOSTER_H)/
Save(48, v_STITLE_MAX_LEN)/
Save(Math(Round(25 * [v_SCALE])), v_SSTAR_SZ)/
Save(Math(Round(15 * [v_SCALE])), v_SSSTAR_SZ)/
Save(Math(Round(45 * [v_SCALE] * [v_SCALE])), v_SHEIGHT_RATINGS)/
Save(height="Math(Round(45 * [v_SCALE] * [v_SCALE]))", v_SHEIGHT_ICON)/
Save(Math(Round(38 * [v_SCALE])), v_INDENT_ENDING)/
Save(Math(Round(400 * [v_SCALE])), v_SSMAX_DESC)/
Save(
[Name]/
If([Rating,0],
If(Compare(Length([Name]),<,45),
/ /[ Repeat(<img src="tooltip:Misc//star-2" size="[v_SSTAR_SZ]x[v_SSTAR_SZ]" valign="top">,[Rating])/ /],
),
),
v_SMALL_TITLE)/
Save(Length(FirstNotEmpty([MPAA Rating], NR)),v_InfoRowLength)/
SaveAdd(v_InfoRowLength, Length(FormatNumber(Math(Decimal([Duration,0]) / 60)) min))/
SaveAdd(v_InfoRowLength, Length(Replace(ListLimit([Genre],2),;,/ /// )))/
SaveAdd(v_InfoRowLength, Length([Year]))/
SaveAdd(v_InfoRowLength, Length(Replace(Replace(Replace(ListLimit([Country],2),United States of America, USA,1),United Kingdom,UK,1),;,/,/ )))/
SaveAdd(v_InfoRowLength, Length(If([HDR Format,0],HDR,)))/
SaveAdd(v_InfoRowLength, Length(FormatDate(Math(Decimal(Now()) + (Decimal([Duration,0]) / 86400)),HH:mm)))/
SaveAdd(v_InfoRowLength, Math(5 + 5 + 5 + 1 + 5If([HDR Format,0], + 5,)))/
Save(
IfElse(
Compare(Length([Description]),<=,[v_SSMAX_DESC]),
[Description]/
<font alpha="0">/
Repeat(_,Math(Frac(([v_SSMAX_DESC] - Length([Description])) // 4) * 4))/
Repeat(_,Math(([v_SSMAX_DESC] - Length([Description])) // 4))/
Repeat(_,Math(([v_SSMAX_DESC] - Length([Description])) // 4))/
Repeat(_,Math(([v_SSMAX_DESC] - Length([Description])) // 4))/
Repeat(_,Math(([v_SSMAX_DESC] - Length([Description])) // 4))/
<//font>,
Or(IsEmpty([IMDb Description (short)]),Compare(Length([IMDb Description (short)]),>,[v_SMAX_SIZE_DESC])),
Left([Description],Math([v_SSMAX_DESC] -10))...,
1,
[IMDb Description (short)]/
<font alpha="0">/
Repeat(/ ,Math(Frac(([v_SSMAX_DESC] - Length([IMDb Description (short)])) // 4) * 4))/
Repeat(_,Math(([v_SSMAX_DESC] - Length([IMDb Description (short)])) // 4))/
Repeat(_,Math(([v_SSMAX_DESC] - Length([IMDb Description (short)])) // 4))/
Repeat(_,Math(([v_SSMAX_DESC] - Length([IMDb Description (short)])) // 4))/
Repeat(_,Math(([v_SSMAX_DESC] - Length([IMDb Description (short)])) // 4))/
<//font>
),
v_SMALL_DESC)
#### HEADER #####/
If(Compare([v_SCALE],<,1),,
<img src="tooltip://Misc//Separator//1x1-transparent" size="1x[v_SVER_SPACER]">
)/
<img src="tooltip:Misc//Separator//dot" size="Math([v_SPOSTER_W] + 2)x1" valign="bottom"><br>/
<img src="tooltip:Misc//Separator//dot" size="1x[v_SPOSTER_H]"valign="bottom">/
<img src="/
If(Or(IsEqual([Image File],//,8),IsEqual([Image File],\,8)),
[Image File],
Mid([Filename],0,Find([Filename],.,,2)).jpg
)" size="[v_SPOSTER_W]x[v_SPOSTER_H]" valign="bottom">/
<img src="tooltip:Misc//Separator//dot" size="1x[v_SPOSTER_H]" valign="bottom">
<img src="tooltip:Misc//Separator//dot" size="Math([v_SPOSTER_W] + 2)x1" valign="top">/
<img src="tooltip:Misc//Separator//1x1-transparent" size="1x20"><br>/
<font [v_TITLE_FONT] [v_SF_SIZE_TITLE] [v_COLOR_TITLE]>/
[v_SMALL_TITLE]/
<br>/
<font [v_SF_SIZE_BODY] [v_COLOR_INFOROW_SMALL]>/
FirstNotEmpty([MPAA Rating], NR) <b>|<//b> /
FormatNumber(Math(Decimal([Duration,0]) / 60)) min <b>|<//b> /
Replace(ListLimit([Genre],2),;,/ /// ) <b>|<//b> /
[Year] /
(Replace(Replace(Replace(ListLimit([Country],2),United States of America, USA,1),United Kingdom,UK,1),;,/,/ ))/
/ | IMDb [IMDb Rating]/
<//font>/
<//font>
#### DESCRIPTION ####/
<font [v_BODY_FONT] [v_SF_SIZE_DESCR] [v_COLOR_BODY]>/
[v_SMALL_DESC]/
<//font>
#### PERSONNEL ####/
<font [v_TITLE_FONT] alpha="70" [v_SF_SIZE_BODY]>/
<font [v_COLOR_HEADER2]>/
DIRECTOR: /
<//font>/
<font [v_COLOR_BODY]>/
ListFormat([Director],2)/
<//font>/
If([Actors,0],
<font [v_COLOR_HEADER2]> /
STARS: /
<//font>/
<font [v_COLOR_BODY]>/
ListFormat(ListLimit([Actors],6),2)/
<//font>,
)/
<//font>
#### ICONS ####
If([v_SHOW_RATINS_SMALL_MODULE],,/
If(Compare([v_SCALE],<,1),,<br>)/
IfElse(
IsEqual([File Type],bdmv),
[v_SICON_DELIM]<img src="tooltip:container//bdmv" [v_SHEIGHT_ICON] valign="middle">,
IsEqual([File Type],ifo),
[v_SICON_DELIM]<img src="tooltip:container//ifo" [v_SHEIGHT_ICON] valign="middle">,
1,
)/
If([HDR Format,0],
Replace(ListMix([v_SICON_DELIM]<img src="tooltip:Video//Definition//[L1]" [v_SHEIGHT_ICON] valign="middle">,8,[Video Format (pretty)]),;,),
[v_SICON_DELIM]<img src="tooltip:Video//Definition//[Definition]" [v_SHEIGHT_ICON] valign="middle">/
)/
If([Audio Codec,0],
Save([v_SICON_DELIM]<img [v_SHEIGHT_ICON] valign="middle" src="tooltip:Audio//Codec, v_CodecPath)/
Replace(ListMix([v_CodecPath]//[L1]">IfElse(IsEqual([L1],TrueHD Atmos),[v_CodecPath]//TrueHD">,IsEqual([L1],E-AC3 Atmos),[v_CodecPath]//E-AC3">),8,Clean(ListClean([Audio Codec],1),3)),;,),
)/
If([Audio Channels,0],[v_SICON_DELIM]<img src="tooltip:Audio//Channels//ListItem([Audio Channels],0)" [v_SHEIGHT_ICON] valign="middle">,)/
If([Aspect Ratio (pretty),0],[v_SICON_DELIM]<img src="tooltip:Video//AspectRatio//[Aspect Ratio (pretty)]" [v_SHEIGHT_ICON] valign="middle">,)/
If([v_DistributorImage,0],
[v_SICON_DELIM]<img src="tooltip:Distributor//ListItem([Distributor],0)" [v_SHEIGHT_ICON] valign="middle">,
)/
If(Not(Or(IsEqual([Publisher],[Distributor]),And(IsEqual([Distributor], Universal Pictures),IsEqual([Publisher],Universal Studios)))),
If([Publisher,0],
Save(If(IsMissing(D:\audio\MC31\Data\Tooltip\Publisher\[Publisher].png),0,1), v_PublisherImage)/
,)/
If([v_PublisherImage],
[v_SICON_DELIM]<img src="tooltip:Publisher//ListItem([Publisher],0)" [v_SHEIGHT_ICON] valign="middle">,
),
)/
[v_SICON_DELIM]/
<img src="tooltip:Language///
FirstNotEmpty(
ListFind([Audio Language],[v_PRIMARY_LANG],,0),
ListFind([Subtitle Language],[v_PRIMARY_LANG],,0),
ListFind([Subtitle Language (external)],[v_PRIMARY_LANG],,0),
ListFind([Subtitle Language (external)],[v_SECONDARY_LANG],,0),
ListFind([Subtitle Language],[v_SECONDARY_LANG],,0)
)" /
[v_SHEIGHT_ICON]/
valign="middle"/
>/
Save(0, v_DistributorImage)/
Save(0, v_PublisherImage)/
If(Compare([v_SCALE],<,1),,
<font [v_BODY_FONT] [v_COLOR_HEADER2] alpha="40">/
<br>/
Repeat(–,50)/
<//font>/
)/
)
#### CRITIC RATING ####
If([v_SHOW_RATINS_SMALL_MODULE],
If(Compare([v_SCALE],<,1),,<br>)/
<font [v_MONO_FONT] [v_COLOR_BODY] [v_SF_SIZE_RATINGS] alpha="70"><b>/
IfElse(
Compare([TMDb Rating],>,0),
<img src="tooltip:CriticRating//tmdb-square" height="[v_SHEIGHT_RATINGS]" valign="middle"> /
Math(int(Decimal([TMDb Rating])))<font [v_BODY_FONT]>.<//font>If(Compare(Math(frac(Decimal([TMDb Rating]))),=,0),O,Mid(Math(frac(Decimal([TMDb Rating]))),2)) ,
Compare([Critic Rating],>,0),
<img src="tooltip:CriticRating//tmdb-square" height="[v_SHEIGHT_RATINGS]" valign="middle"> /
Math(int(Number([Critic Rating])))<font [v_BODY_FONT]>.<//font>If(Compare(Math(frac(Number([Critic Rating]))),=,0),O,Mid(Math(frac(Number([Critic Rating]))),2)) ,
)/
If([IMDb Rating,0],
<img src="tooltip:CriticRating//imdb-square" height="[v_SHEIGHT_RATINGS]" valign="middle"> /
Math(int(Decimal([IMDb Rating])))<font [v_BODY_FONT]>.<//font>If(Compare(Math(frac(Decimal([IMDb Rating]))),=,0),O,Mid(Math(frac(Decimal([IMDb Rating]))),2)) ,
)/
If([Rotten Tomatoes,0],
<img src="tooltip:CriticRating//rt-If(Compare([Rotten Tomatoes],>=,60),fresh,splat)" height="[v_SHEIGHT_RATINGS]" valign="middle"> /
Replace([Rotten Tomatoes],0,O)% ,
)/
If(IsEqual([Awards],Oscar,8),
<img src="tooltip:Award//oscar-If(IsEqual([Awards],Won,8),won-figure,nominated-figure)" height="[v_SHEIGHT_RATINGS]" valign="middle">/ ,
)/
If([Watched,0],
<img src="tooltip:Misc//Watched-1" valign="middle" height="[v_SHEIGHT_RATINGS]">,
)/
<b><//font>/
If(Compare([v_SCALE],<,1),,
<font [v_BODY_FONT] [v_COLOR_HEADER2] alpha="40">/
<br>/
Repeat(–,50)/
<//font>/
)/
,)
#### END TIME ####
If(Compare([v_SCALE],<,1),,
<font [v_BODY_FONT] [v_COLOR_TITLE] [v_SF_SIZE_BODY] alpha="70"><b>/
Repeat(/ ,[v_INDENT_ENDING])/
ENDS AT FormatDate(Math(Decimal(Now()) + (Decimal([Duration,0]) / 86400)),HH:mm)/
<//b><//font>/
)
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Tried MC build 16 and the new Theater View Template today.
It seems to work for movies (after 30min of using it and looking around) and I really like it.
1. Remark: In the navigation menu you can go "back" or use "select". What is the difference?
2. Will there a future version including Series (TV Shows) and Music Concerts?
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Great work!
I, also, would love to see similar information/formatting for TV Shows!
Question: As best I can tell, it looks like MC should be displaying the following badges:
- Resolution/HDR Type?
- File Type
- Aspect Ratio
- Audio Codec
- Channel Layout
Is this list correct?
I reran "Analyze Video" and still see some fields (Resolution and Aspect Ratio in this case) missing in Theater View for some, but not all movies (see image).
MediaInfo says the aspect ratio for this file is 2.39:1 and the resolution is 1920x808.
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Would also like to see fps info.
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Description is just plain "Segoe UI" and rest is "Theater"
Is Theater a custom font that needs to be manually installed?
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Is Theater a custom font that needs to be manually installed?
Yes
https://www.1001fonts.com/theater-font.html#font-categories
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Question: As best I can tell, it looks like MC should be displaying the following badges:
- Resolution/HDR Type?
- File Type
- Aspect Ratio
- Audio Codec
- Channel Layout
Is this list correct?
I reran "Analyze Video" and still see some fields (Resolution and Aspect Ratio in this case) missing in Theater View for some, but not all movies (see image).
MediaInfo says the aspect ratio for this file is 2.39:1 and the resolution is 1920x808.
Yes, the list is correct. It is not showing the resolution or aspect ratio icons because that seems to be a non-standard resolution. Check the Aspect Ratio tag in MC, it probably will be something like 2.38.
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Yes
https://www.1001fonts.com/theater-font.html#font-categories
Thanks. The template will use the Theater font if the user installs it.
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It is not showing the resolution or aspect ratio icons because that seems to be a non-standard resolution. Check the Aspect Ratio tag in MC, it probably will be something like 2.38.
Even in my case, the aspect ratio never appears even in the presence of standard resolutions (2:30, 1:85 etc.).
Furthermore, the description field should be increased: I managed to modify it, but I think it should be modified by default.
What I wasn't able to change, however, is the name of the actor and character whose characters are really small. I have good eyesight, but I can read them with difficulty.
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Even in my case, the aspect ratio never appears even in the presence of standard resolutions (2:30, 1:85 etc.).
Furthermore, the description field should be increased: I managed to modify it, but I think it should be modified by default.
What I wasn't able to change, however, is the name of the actor and character whose characters are really small. I have good eyesight, but I can read them with difficulty.
There is currently no icon for aspect ratio 2.30. We could probably add one if it is common. 1.85 should work. Can you check the Aspect Ratio tag for one that is not working?
Description field in the file details or file list?
We would have to decrease the number of actors shown to increase the font size. I will try to make these variables so you can tweak them as you wish.
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Sorry, my fault, I typed 2:30 instead of 2:39. Unfortunately, no aspect ratio works, not even the most common ones (2:39, 1:85, 1.78),
By description field I mean the short introductory plot of the film, which appears before the photos of the actors.
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Sorry, my fault, I typed 2:30 instead of 2:39. Unfortunately, no aspect ratio works, not even the most common ones (2:39, 1:85, 1.78),
By description field I mean the short introductory plot of the film, which appears before the photos of the actors.
If it is really 2:39 instead of 2.39 that would be the problem.
The description field is the right size for 1080p because it allows the cast and recommended lists to display fully without any scrolling necessary. You might have to modify this for a 4k display.
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Yes, the list is correct. It is not showing the resolution or aspect ratio icons because that seems to be a non-standard resolution. Check the Aspect Ratio tag in MC, it probably will be something like 2.38.
The Aspect Ratio in MC is 240:101.
The Aspect Ratio in MediaInfo is 2.39:1.
So, Aspect Ratio and Resolution icons will only show if they're common?
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this is a nice improvement overall, a couple of comments/questions
1) what determines whether the 4k icon is shown? e.g. attached shows a 4k rip which looks like it has all relevant info available but no 4k icon
2) currently the icons are less useful than they could be because they appear to show everything that is available rather than the main track, i.e. if there are a multiple audio streams of different types then all the icons are shown, is there any way to limit that to the main track only?
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The description field is the right size for 1080p because it allows the cast and recommended lists to display fully without any scrolling necessary. You might have to modify this for a 4k display.
In reality, the photo I attached in the previous post was of my notebook and therefore 1080p resolution.
With the 4k projector, it's worse
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So, Aspect Ratio and Resolution icons will only show if they're common?
Correct. At the moment, there are only icons for the standard set of these.
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The Aspect Ratio in MC is 240:101.
The Aspect Ratio in MediaInfo is 2.39:1.
So, Aspect Ratio and Resolution icons will only show if they're common?
We unified the aspect ratio reporting to the 2.39 format when we overhauled the analysis. If files still show the old format, maybe you need to re-analyze them.
Unless its a DVD IFO, those are not supported in analysis right now.
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1) what determines whether the 4k icon is shown? e.g. attached shows a 4k rip which looks like it has all relevant info available but no 4k icon
2) currently the icons are less useful than they could be because they appear to show everything that is available rather than the main track, i.e. if there are a multiple audio streams of different types then all the icons are shown, is there any way to limit that to the main track only?
1) This is fixed in the next update. It was not showing the 4K icon when Dolby Vision is present.
2) This can be changed but you can field any complaints about all the available tracks not being shown :).
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All the tracks showing has two sides .. showing all is similar to a style of something like Blu-ray case where all the badges are being shown for advertising reasons. But at the end of the day you only play one of them. But is it good to know that they are there? Maybe?
Personally I would probably favor the main track only, as that directly has an information benefit.
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My philosophy has been that small view shows generics and large view can then show specifics like what all those audio tracks keeps inside. Of course some of it depends on what user has inserted as track names.
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I think it only shows one channel layout doesn't it? And I guess that is the main track? If so, you could argue the precedent is already set so showing all icons in one case but only one for another is inconsistent. To my mind, either allowing you to select the tracks (and showing each one) or showing just what will need played makes sense.
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I think it shows first audio index. If MC is scraping default track info from file it could show that or the track that user has previously selected.
There is a limited amount of space to show the icons in the small view and as today they are mostly a graphical spice not something functional.
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The next build will have v2.2 of the templates file with the following changes:
1) In small view, move Critic Rating to top and put it on a second line with the release date. Move info icons to the bottom.
2) Add variables to control the actor thumbnails. See the end of General Variables section where you can set the number, width, and caption text height.
3) Only show the first audio codec icon (but variable was added to General Variables to control how many are displayed).
4) Show 4K resolution icon in addition to Dolby Vision icon.
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The next build will have v2.2 of the templates file with the following changes:
2) Add variables to control the actor thumbnails. See the end of General Variables section where you can set the number, width, and caption text height.
Will we have the ability to center the text for the thumbnails?
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Will we have the ability to center the text for the thumbnails?
Unfortunately, no.
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I think this will be a great addition to Theater View. I am looking forward to using them. Right now I'm in the process of copying my Library and the files from my laptop server to my HTPC computer.
I am subscribed to this thread and looking forward to further updates.
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We unified the aspect ratio reporting to the 2.39 format when we overhauled the analysis. If files still show the old format, maybe you need to re-analyze them.
Unless its a DVD IFO, those are not supported in analysis right now.
Not sure I follow, but the file in question has been reanalyzed and still shows the same info in MC.
Why not show the MC calculated aspect ration instead of an icon?
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I check these out when there's changes, and, while it gets better each time, it's still not quite ready to replace my tried and trusted arrangement, which is nothing fancy (example attached), just info we like to see.
I often combine descriptions from TMDB and Wikipedia and noticed that in the new active templates, there is no way to expand and read the full description, it's always truncated. Is that expected behaviour?
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Is this default template going to replace custom templates each time there's a version upgrade? It's a little annoying to have to restore custom templates. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the work that's gone into doing this, I just don't want to have reenable my custom template each time there's a build update.
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This is what appears to me by default: is it like this for everyone?
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I check these out when there's changes, and, while it gets better each time, it's still not quite ready to replace my tried and trusted arrangement, which is nothing fancy (example attached), just info we like to see.
I often combine descriptions from TMDB and Wikipedia and noticed that in the new active templates, there is no way to expand and read the full description, it's always truncated. Is that expected behaviour?
JRiver's new template still has my max length of 441 chars for description. I needed that because I need to control placement of the sub items which comes after the description so I could fit everything I want nicely on one "page". JRiver's new template doesn't seem to care at least at this point so maybe it could be changed to show the whole description as truncation is not needed.
It would be a VERY nice new feature if sub item heights could be customized in the "file info panel" e.g. one sub item height could be set to 50px (or whatever unit) and it would be that size regularly and you could expand it to show whole content with right arrow like already today. Currently height is hard coded under the hood. You can only use option "Show more values at a time in the file info panel" so it should be possible to make height value something template maker could modify. Configurable height would help placing items a LOT within the current engine
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Is this default template going to replace custom templates each time there's a version upgrade? It's a little annoying to have to restore custom templates. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the work that's gone into doing this, I just don't want to have reenable my custom template each time there's a build update.
Yes, but you can read other posts here to see how to set the version number of yours to a higher number.
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Yes, but you can read other posts here to see how to set the version number of yours to a higher number.
Changing the version number on the file, from what I understand, is used to restore the previous templates, both the default one and the personal ones.
In my opinion, and I also believe MGD_King, with each new version the default templates should be updated, leaving the personal ones unchanged: is it possible?
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Changing the version number on the file, from what I understand, is used to restore the previous templates, both the default one and the personal ones.
See the first post. Setting it to a high version will allow make it so that it is not overwritten by the new default version.
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Surely, this must be a temporary solution before a stable version is launched with a long term solution of preserving a template of choosing?
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This is what appears to me by default: is it like this for everyone?
Build 21 uses the full description in the large view. Hopefully this will work for you.
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Thank you. You will also see the aspect ratio and critic ratings?
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You will also see the aspect ratio and critic ratings?
Nothing was done with these. Can you please share what it shows exactly in the Tag Window for Aspect Ratio of a file that is not working? If you mean critic ratings from other sources, this is not currently available without external tools so will not be added at this time.
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I think the reason why I don't see the aspect ratio icons depends on the various templates that I have created over time following lepa's post, and the various fields created in some way influence the new template.
I discovered, for example, that in order to display these icons, I have to modify the code by inserting (pretty) as indicated in the lepa template.If([Aspect Ratio (pretty),0],[v_LDELIM_ICON]<img src="tooltip:Video//AspectRatio//[Aspect Ratio (pretty)]" RemoveRight([v_LHEIGHT_TECH_ICON],3)Math(Number([v_LHEIGHT_TECH_ICON]) + 2)" valign="middle">,)/
As for the critic ratings, I understood that they were already available and, not seeing them, I thought it was my problem
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I think the reason why I don't see the aspect ratio icons depends on the various templates that I have created over time following lepa's post, and the various fields created in some way influence the new template.
Make sure the Aspect Ratio tag is filled in properly for your movies and it should work without any modification.
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I understood what the problem was!
In the tag the aspect ratio is indicated with a comma (1 comma 85), while in the tooltip folder the individual files are named with a period (1 point 85).
I renamed the files, and now it works
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As someone that also lives in a comma for decimal country, we should handle this. :)
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That's why I asked exactly what was displayed in the Tag Window. I guess we can support this "fringe" case :).
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But how is the Aspect Ratio field populated? From your answers I seem to understand that being in Italy, certain decimal numbers are expressed with a comma rather than a point
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Looks like the cast is not displayed if the director in spotlight has no image. E.g. Omen III, tt008237; Top Gear Winter Olympics, tt0762542.
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But how is the Aspect Ratio field populated? From your answers I seem to understand that being in Italy, certain decimal numbers are expressed with a comma rather than a point
I assume it uses whatever is appropriate for the locale when the "Analyze" is performed. This will be fixed in the next build so you can re-name the image files back to use the periods.
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Thank you.
To have a top job, it would be more correct to use the "Aspect Ratio Calculated" field instead of "Aspect Ratio".
This however involves the use of SoT
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See the first post. Setting it to a high version will allow make it so that it is not overwritten by the new default version.
I changed the version number, but despite this, with today's update I lost my custom templates again.
My situation of the Library>backup folder is the one attached: is there an error?
Among other things, the xml file reports the version number as 2.2: shouldn't it be 2.3?
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Among other things, the xml file reports the version number as 2.2: shouldn't it be 2.3?
It is upgrading to 2.3 so it backs up 2.2 which is correct. You can delete the extra Backup directory which is erroneous from before. That is, get rid of Library\Backup\Backup but keep Library\Backup.
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Looks like the cast is not displayed if the director in spotlight has no image. E.g. Omen III, tt008237; Top Gear Winter Olympics, tt0762542.
This is fixed in the build 21. Thanks.
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I changed the version number, but despite this, with today's update I lost my custom templates again.
I updated my template version number to 21.12 after saving (exporting) the XML file. I then reimported that file and after the last update my template did not get overwritten. I have begun to do this process every time I edit my template to insure it stays after the next update.
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Is it possible to show cover art to the left of multiple rows of information so that the 'header' and 'description' are wrapped to the right of the cover art?
Also after upgrading to MC32, I noticed the little checkmark for watched movies (next to the name in a list of movies) reappeared. Is there a way to remove it?
Thanks!
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Is it possible to show cover art to the left of multiple rows of information so that the 'header' and 'description' are wrapped to the right of the cover art?
Also after upgrading to MC32, I noticed the little checkmark for watched movies (next to the name in a list of movies) reappeared. Is there a way to remove it?
Can you explain this layout more?
Yes. Go to Tools > Options > Theater View > Customize file info panel... Select Movie in the Templates dropdown. Click Manage > Edit template... In the Caption, Regular text box remove everything after [Name].
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Thank you for the info about editing the template. I forgot about that since you can 'edit' it right from the main pop-up box.
In regard to the cover art, I've attached a modified version of the new theater view movie template. I like to have all the text at the bottom of the screen so that I can view the background images better. But I'd still like there to be a small cover in the bottom left corner with the header and description information to the right of it. The cover art would be no larger than the top of the header to the bottom of the screen. Is that possible?
Also it would be nice if it was easier to dynamically display the content at the bottom of the screen rather than having to add a bunch of blank elements at the top that you have to scroll through. If you could dynamically adjust the header and description to stick the last line of text to the bottom of the screen, hat would be really nice. So that if you say had 4 vs 5 lines of text, they would both be justified to the bottom. Then you could have a setting for additional 'off screen' fields like the cast allowing you to further scroll down when you want to view that off screen content, but not clutter up the screen normally..
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When I try to import your template I get the message: Clipboard does not contain a valid template
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That's odd. Its a zip file, fyi, I'll try it myself later today.
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In regard to the cover art, I've attached a modified version of the new theater view movie template. I like to have all the text at the bottom of the screen so that I can view the background images better. But I'd still like there to be a small cover in the bottom left corner with the header and description information to the right of it. The cover art would be no larger than the top of the header to the bottom of the screen. Is that possible?
Also it would be nice if it was easier to dynamically display the content at the bottom of the screen rather than having to add a bunch of blank elements at the top that you have to scroll through. If you could dynamically adjust the header and description to stick the last line of text to the bottom of the screen, hat would be really nice. So that if you say had 4 vs 5 lines of text, they would both be justified to the bottom. Then you could have a setting for additional 'off screen' fields like the cast allowing you to further scroll down when you want to view that off screen content, but not clutter up the screen normally..
It is not possible to do dynamic sizing and justification with the current system. I do not think this will be added anytime soon.
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A similar template for TV Shows has been added in build 32.0.26. This bumped the templates file version to 2.4.
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It is not possible to do dynamic sizing and justification with the current system. I do not think this will be added anytime soon.
Understood. What about the cover art? Regardless of a dynamic sizing, is it possible to place that in the lower left corner of the screen where the header and description is in my template?
How do you reference cover art for a selected file in the template code?
Thanks!
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How do you reference cover art for a selected file in the template code?
Thanks!
e.g. <img src="[image file]" height="200">
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e.g. <img src="[image file]" height="200">
Thanks for the help. I added that into a new blank expression and nothing shows up. Tried adding to an existing expression like the 'header' and still got nothing.
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It's definitely due to age, but despite having followed the instructions at the beginning of the thread to the letter, even with the recent update to build 26, my templates have been overwritten: is anyone kind enough to explain to me step by step what I should do?
For example, in which file should I change the version number?
Thank you
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Thanks for the help. I added that into a new blank expression and nothing shows up. Tried adding to an existing expression like the 'header' and still got nothing.
As this goes to customising things I think it is better suited in that thread and keep this one clean for stock dev. So see you here (https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,135179.msg960213.html#msg960213)
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It's definitely due to age, but despite having followed the instructions at the beginning of the thread to the letter, even with the recent update to build 26, my templates have been overwritten: is anyone kind enough to explain to me step by step what I should do?
For example, in which file should I change the version number?
Thank you
I exported my XML template to a unique file name. I then opened that XML file with notepad and changed the <Templates Version="2.2"> field to <Templates Version="21.12"> and saved the file. I then import that XML file back in and the next time MC updates, it retains my custom template.
The added benefit of exporting my template with a unique name is that in the event that I modify it, it gets reset back to <Templates Version="2.2"> which would then be overwritten on the next update. I can then just reimport my saved template and do the process above all over.
I wish that JRiver would add a field like <Template Modified="True/False"> whenever it is modified and look for that field and if it equals "True" then don't overwrite it.
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It's definitely due to age, but despite having followed the instructions at the beginning of the thread to the letter, even with the recent update to build 26, my templates have been overwritten: is anyone kind enough to explain to me step by step what I should do?
For example, in which file should I change the version number?
You need to edit the version number in "C:\Users\USERNAME\AppData\Roaming\J River\Media Center 32\Library\theater view file info templates.xml" (Windows) for a local library. Note that if it is a library server client you have to modify the templates file on the server, because the client one gets overwritten each time you connect.
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I created a backup of the current templates, including my versions, and saved it in the library/bachup folder and renamed the version from 2.4 to 102.4
The next update shouldn't overwrite my templates, right?
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I created a backup of the current templates, including my versions, and saved it in the library/bachup folder and renamed the version from 2.4 to 102.4
The next update shouldn't overwrite my templates, right?
You have to do the one in the library folder, not library/backup.
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Here's where I went wrong! I told you I'm getting old ;D
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I did a test on the laptop, where I have a version of JRiver for testing, and unfortunately it doesn't work or rather it doesn't work as I would like and it's probably my fault for not explaining well what I would like.
In addition to the default templates (Movie, TV Show etc.) I have a couple of templates created over time thanks to lepa and called Movie by lello and TV Show by lello.
I would like that with each new update of the default templates, such as the new TV Show template introduced with v26, my templates would remain and the default ones would update.
By changing the version number of the xml file saved in the library folder, this does not happen but simply all the previous templates, both mine and the default ones, remain.
If it can't be done, as I believe, it's obviously not a problem.
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Which audio track(s) get examined for "Analyze Video"?
I ask since most of my .mkv file (originally created for Plex and Roku) have two tracks -- the first one is just stereo and the second one is the multi-track audio. The details for all files seems to have concluded that all the movies are just in stereo.
Thanks!
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A similar template for TV Shows has been added in build 32.0.26
Thanks for including TV Shows! Some requests please:
-If a TV Episode has been partially watched, there used to be a field showing the percentage watched, which is now missing completely! How do we get that back? and/or can it be calculated into the "Ends at..." field?
-Can the TV channel number AND the channel Logo be shown on each view? Series list views and single Episode views.
-The "Director" field is generally useless for TV Shows, is there a way to eliminate it fully from all the TV views?
-When I look at a Series (list of Episodes) or when I select an Episode, there is no longer any episode thumbnails. Can these be added back in for both views?
NOTE: I have zero experience with codes, templates, etc. I'm willing to try, if there aren't too many steps and it's easy to undo!
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In addition to partial watch state, can we also get the field back in there when a file was last watched? I looked at that quite regularly when exploring my database to find something to (re-)watch.
The "Ends at" time also doesnt appear to obey system time locale, and shows AM/PM for me, rather then a 24 hour clock.
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I would like that with each new update of the default templates, such as the new TV Show template introduced with v26, my templates would remain and the default ones would update.
By changing the version number of the xml file saved in the library folder, this does not happen but simply all the previous templates, both mine and the default ones, remain.
If it can't be done, as I believe, it's obviously not a problem.
There is only one version for the whole templates file, so it currently cannot be done.
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So I raised an issue with the templates over on the Linux boards a week or so back, but didn't get a reply and thought I'd post here for visibility.
I've tested the movie templates on a few different machines with the latest Linux build (32.0.25), and the templates are mostly empty for me (no cast pictures, no recommendations) and the alignment looks slightly wonky compared to the pictures I see in this thread. I've attached a screenshot of what I'm seeing.
Are these templates currently expected to work on Linux (or non-windows platforms)? If not, is there any way to get the old template behavior back?
Alternatively, if these are supported for Linux, I would also greatly appreciate getting partial watched states back. That's a big part of our usage.
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Which audio track(s) get examined for "Analyze Video"?
I ask since most of my .mkv file (originally created for Plex and Roku) have two tracks -- the first one is just stereo and the second one is the multi-track audio. The details for all files seems to have concluded that all the movies are just in stereo.
They are all available and it used to show icons for all, however, a user requested that only the first one is shown. If you want to show all audio tracks, you need to edit a variable in the template which I can explain how to if you want.
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-If a TV Episode has been partially watched, there used to be a field showing the percentage watched, which is now missing completely! How do we get that back? and/or can it be calculated into the "Ends at..." field?
-Can the TV channel number AND the channel Logo be shown on each view? Series list views and single Episode views.
-The "Director" field is generally useless for TV Shows, is there a way to eliminate it fully from all the TV views?
-When I look at a Series (list of Episodes) or when I select an Episode, there is no longer any episode thumbnails. Can these be added back in for both views?
- I will work on this.
- This will only be for DVR recordings within MC, right?
- There is, but I am not sure everyone can agree on this, so I will make it a template variable that can be edited.
- I wanted to be able to see most of the details without having to scroll so I'm not sure where I could locate the thumbnail to maintain this?
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The "Ends at" time also doesnt appear to obey system time locale, and shows AM/PM for me, rather then a 24 hour clock.
I made the time format string a template variable because I didn't see a locale-dependent time formatting string for FormatDate() in expressions. Do you know of one?
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Are these templates currently expected to work on Linux (or non-windows platforms)? If not, is there any way to get the old template behavior back?
I don't think it has been tested on Linux. You can get the old behavior back by selecting Manage > Import All Templates... in the File Info templates dialog and then selecting the backup that was made in your Library folder.
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I don't think it has been tested on Linux. You can get the old behavior back by selecting Manage > Import All Templates... in the File Info templates dialog and then selecting the backup that was made in your Library folder.
I suspected that might be the case, but I was hoping to confirm whether you all could reproduce the issue. I've been holding off on upgrading most of my Linux client machines to 32 because the templates are enabled by default, but are not working. Possibly related, there are also some major rendering issues with the theater view spotlight tab on Linux as well (to be clear, spotlight in standard view works as expected).
I guess I'm trying to get a sense for whether these features are going to be supported cross-platform (like most JRiver functionality) or whether it will be a Windows-only feature (of which there are a couple)? If the former, I'll keep making bug reports, but if the latter I'll just roll back to the old templates (and suggest that perhaps they shouldn't be enabled by default on Linux).
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There is only one version for the whole templates file, so it currently cannot be done.
okay, no problem, I'm sure these new templates will be more and more fantastic over time.
Some requests:
- is it possible to make the "recommended" string an option? I personally don't like it
- is there a plan to display a poster?
- regarding the aspect ratio icon, why is the one calculated after cropping not considered?
- are there plans to add subtitle languages and audio tracks with format indication?
Thank you
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I guess I'm trying to get a sense for whether these features are going to be supported cross-platform ...
Yes.
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Yes.
Thanks Jim! I'll keep filing bugs in the build threads as I see them.
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I made the time format string a template variable because I didn't see a locale-dependent time formatting string for FormatDate() in expressions. Do you know of one?
%X or Time?
If that one doesnt work for some reason (I think it might show seconds, which might not be desirable), we can also define a new one using the named tokens, eg. "ShortTime" to always omit seconds, fitting with ShortDate
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- I wanted to be able to see most of the details without having to scroll so I'm not sure where I could locate the thumbnail to maintain this?
I actually agree with this request, it was the first thing I noticed after installing on my HTPC, as I mainly watch TV shows.
Having the thumbnail on the full detail page does feel like something that makes it better. Without having tried to fit it into the layout, what I would imagine is making the description only take 60% of the width and having a thumbnail on the right hand side instead, maybe a bit smaller then it used to be. The existing elements might even be ok with being slightly smaller. On a TV it all feels huge to me.
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The new TV and Movie templates are awesome! Thanks!
I don't want to tweak the new templates too much, but I have a custom field, [Source], that I created to tell me where I got the video from.
I added it at the end of the Large Header expression in the Movie template and everything seems to work well.
I then added it to the TV Show template at the end of the Large and Small Header expressions and it sort of works.
I can see it for one show, but not another ... see attachments.
For the show where it isn't visible, it becomes visible when you click into the episode detail screen.
Q: Why is it partially working in the TV Show template? Did I add it in the right place(s)?
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- is it possible to make the "recommended" string an option? I personally don't like it
- is there a plan to display a poster?
- regarding the aspect ratio icon, why is the one calculated after cropping not considered?
- are there plans to add subtitle languages and audio tracks with format indication?
- Would you want to hide the "Cast" title too?
- For TV Shows, yes.
- It uses the Aspect Ratio tag. I am not familiar with the cropped aspect ratio but it can only be used if it is stored somewhere and not calculated at playback.
- No plans at the moment.
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Q: Why is it partially working in the TV Show template? Did I add it in the right place(s)?
Make sure you have a / at the end of the line before your addition or it can mess things up. Post your templates file and I will take a look.
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- Would you want to hide the "Cast" title too?
- For TV Shows, yes.
- It uses the Aspect Ratio tag. I am not familiar with the cropped aspect ratio but it can only be used if it is stored somewhere and not calculated at playback.
- No plans at the moment.
- no, only recommended
- :'(
- I get the cropped aspect ratio, thanks to S.o.T. of Jmone after creating the relevant field
- I think it would be interesting for many
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Make sure you have a / at the end of the line before your addition or it can mess things up. Post your templates file and I will take a look.
I added a "/" at the end of the regular templates and that fixed my 1st issue, but it added my field at the end of the header rather below it which is where I would prefer it.
I have attached my template.
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- I get the cropped aspect ratio, thanks to S.o.T. of Jmone after creating the relevant field
If MCs black bar detection is in use, then the main Aspect Ratio field should be updated with the active image aspect ratio after those black bars would be cropped.
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If MCs black bar detection is in use, then the main Aspect Ratio field should be updated with the active image aspect ratio after those black bars would be cropped.
You're right, but this isn't always the case, especially for TV Shows as you can see from the attached images.
I always activate black bar detection, but especially with TV Shows in 2.00 or 2.20 format, the result is what you see
Maybe I'm doing something wrong
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That looks like the value is just out of date, or overwritten by something else, MC no longer writes aspect ratios in the 16:9 format, only in the form of 1.78 or 2.39
The Aspect Ratio (Cropped) field is not a standard MC field, so built-in templates can't use it.
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32.0.29 will have watched status, small thumbnails for tv shows, and other recently requested changes.
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That looks like the value is just out of date, or overwritten by something else, MC no longer writes aspect ratios in the 16:9 format, only in the form of 1.78 or 2.39
The Aspect Ratio (Cropped) field is not a standard MC field, so built-in templates can't use it.
16:9 I understand... That's my TV screen :) What's it's x.xx equivalent?
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do the division :D
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That simple huh? See, when it comes to things video, I really struggle joining the dots. There's so many moving pieces.
TBH, as I pressed "Post" there, I was thinking, "really, just ask Google ya lazy bar steward", but, the button was already pressed so 'lazy' won the day :)
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32.0.29 will have watched status, small thumbnails for tv shows, and other recently requested changes.
Looking good so far... TV Show thumbnails are back!
For TV channel number and logo, I manually added channel number to the file info panel (the old fashioned way), and you can see in the screenshot that it's not very pretty. It actually says the words "tv channel..." then shows a number. It would be better to take out the "tv channel..." text, and also show the channel logo & number information as it shows in the theater view tv guide (see screenshots). IMO placement of this should up near, maybe above/below or before/ahead of, the show episode number/name.
Also, in my screenshot there is a large empty space below the show description, then the word "Director" (which is always empty), then the file info logos are below that (which is always off screen unless I scroll down to it). How can we get rid of that empty space, get rid of the field "Director"? So that the logos can be seen right under the show description?
Thank you
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I really like the new TV Show template (especially with the posters/thumbnail image appearing now and where they are located; it really looks great)
Would it be possible to have something similar to this for movies at one point? I feel like there is some kind of wasted space especially in the large view (maybe above or to the right of the movie name?) and having a poster would improve this view (kind of like it was done in the new TV show template). I feel even the small view would benefit from having the poster shown above the movie name. I have tried to recreate for movies what was done for TV show but... Yeah, this is not my area of expertise.
Thanks
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Would it be possible to have something similar to this for movies at one point?
This would cause wasted space at the top in the list view and on the right side in the single view which would reduce the number of Cast members and Recommended movies that would be shown. But we could try it if there is a consensus. :)
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I would really like a poster, like in the lepa templates
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I would really like a poster, like in the lepa templates
You can edit the template to add posters.
Open Options --> Theater View --> Customize file info panel
In the "Templates" section, use the drop-down to select 'Movie'
Press the "Manage" button to the right
Select 'Edit Template'
In the "General" section, under 'Style', use the drop-down to select between Standard, Large Image, Small Image, or (the theme default) No Image.
Click OK (3 times)
The movie poster should be displayed. However, as cncb mentioned, it does cause alignment issues, especially in Large View.
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Thank you MGD_King!! :D I have looked left and right to find a way to get this to show.
cncb wrote:
This would cause wasted space at the top in the list view and on the right side in the single view which would reduce the number of Cast members and Recommended movies that would be shown. But we could try it if there is a consensus. :)
I get this and for now, at least the view that MGD_King explained does work. But you are one of the guru for these views and if something else with these poster would make more sense, that would be great. I feel it just add to the view and a good visual reminder of the movie that is being described.
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Very good! :D
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Without exception, everyone I've shown my old template, followed by the new, they all preferred my old one...
Why?
Yours has the poster. No other comments.
I should also clarify that "everyone" so far, equals eight or nine people aged between 16 and 60 :)
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Without exception, everyone I've shown my old template, followed by the new, they all preferred my old one...
Why?
Yours has the poster. No other comments.
I should also clarify that "everyone" so far, equals eight or nine people aged between 16 and 60 :)
I had a similar issue at my house. Everyone asking "Where's the poster?" with the new templates.
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OK, we can try it with a small poster like we did for tv shows for the next update.
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In the case of 4k films, the relevant icon appears. However, in the case of Full HD films, the FullHD 1080 icon appears only if the Height field shows the value of 1080, while if there is a lower value (as in the case of a cropped MKV) no icon appears: it is possible to use the definition field instead of Height?
I tried to modify the template, but I couldn't
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In the case of 4k films, the relevant icon appears. However, in the case of Full HD films, the FullHD 1080 icon appears only if the Height field shows the value of 1080, while if there is a lower value (as in the case of a cropped MKV) no icon appears: it is possible to use the definition field instead of Height?
I tried to modify the template, but I couldn't
We don't have a ready-made-field for that, but if we're talking about rules to make it work, I would recommend a slightly more complex ruleset, so it covers both cropped content (eg. 1920x800) as well as 4:3 content (1440x1080)
Width >= 3840 || Height >= 2160 -> 4K
Width >= 1920 || Height >= 1080 -> 1080p
Width >= 1280 || Height >= 720 -> 720p
Width >= 720 && Height >= 576 -> 576p
Width >= 720 || Height >= 480 -> 480p
If this is too annoying to do in a template, I suppose I could make a expression function to return those tokens? Let me know!
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Let me know!
Are you referring to me? I have no idea what needs to be done, but I assume an expression needs to be created to insert into the template
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I still don't see any icons for general Video Category files for Audio Codecs, Video Codecs etc. Any plans for implementing this in the current Version ?
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I still don't see any icons for general Video Category files for Audio Codecs, Video Codecs etc. Any plans for implementing this in the current Version ?
No current plans but will keep it in mind for the future. Note that at this time there are only icons for video containers, not video codecs.
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OK, I started to read through the pages of comments. My eyes blurred out on page 2.
I tried, I really tried. So, please be gentle if I suggest something that has already been discussed.
For starters, let me say that I know, and duly acknowledge, that there are many users (oh so many users) who have requests of JRiver regarding this new "live" Theater view.
And many kudos to them. It is always great to receive product improvement suggestions.
With that in mind. Here's another suggestion ...
Maybe there can be an option to use the prior "Customize file info" templates, those that existed before this "live" effort took place? For me, those templates were significantly more useful for what I wanted to see on the screen in Theater mode.
Not a "revert" option" but more of a "different view" option, for those who seem to be interested in information taking up screen space, instead of pretty pictures taking up screen space.
In other words, please provide the menu option to use the prior "pre-live" templates.
thx.
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In other words, please provide the menu option to use the prior "pre-live" templates.
See the first post for instructions on how to restore an old templates file.
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See the first post for instructions on how to restore an old templates file.
Yes, I saw that, and I did that.
My question was not about how to revert to old templates, but more that the "old" templates should be brought forward with the new "live" templates.
In other words, the new "lives" templates seem to have replaced the "old" templates (as evidenced by your comment to "restore the old templates.")
My question...
Why should I have to restore them? Why cannot they be another option alongside the current live templates?
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I love the new look of Theatre View but we have now lost the fps of the title, can we get this back please?
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Good idea, something like this maybe (I'm no artist!)?
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Good idea, something like this maybe (I'm no artist!)?
Yes yes please Im missing my old fps listed. BTW I thought with the old 31 we had a list of what we could turn on or off in the display but I cant find that anymore???
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The new "Active" templates are much more fancy with icons etc. Above my pay grade on how to modify these new templates, so best to leave it with the experts on this one!
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I don't have a wide variety of videos, but fps is stored as 2 decimal places for me (e.g. 23.98, 29.97). Is this what everyone has so we can have standard icons or should it just be displayed as text?
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FPS is actually stored in full precision, but rounded to two decimals for display, so be careful with that. But there is only so many relevant frame rates that cover 99% of all content, and rounding to pick an image would be just fine:
- 23.976 (23.98 when rounded)
- 24
- 25
- 29.97
- 30
- 50
- 59.94
- 60
An argument could be made to also just fold the "plain" and NTSC rates into one (eg. 23.976 and 24 is just "24p"), but I imagine some people would also prefer to keep them separate.
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FPS is actually stored in full precision, but rounded to two decimals for display
When I use [FPS] in an expression it is only 2 decimal places so that tag seems to not be full precision unless it rounds internally for every request.
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When I use [FPS] in an expression it is only 2 decimal places so that tag seems to not be full precision unless it rounds internally for every request.
It does, try [FPS,0] sometime :D
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It does, try [FPS,0] sometime :D
I always wondered what the ,0 did :).
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FPS is actually stored in full precision, but rounded to two decimals for display, so be careful with that. But there is only so many relevant frame rates that cover 99% of all content, and rounding to pick an image would be just fine:
- 23.976 (23.98 when rounded)
- 24
- 25
- 29.97
- 30
- 50
- 59.94
- 60
An argument could be made to also just fold the "plain" and NTSC rates into one (eg. 23.976 and 24 is just "24p"), but I imagine some people would also prefer to keep them separate.
Hendrik I would really prefer the frame rates where all separate like your longer list above, that's so much more accurate that way.
On another subject I'm also missing the file size of the films (GB) which we had in the old view. Apart from these two things, fps and GB we have it pretty good I think.....
Only one other thing that maybe one day to add (as they have in PLEX) is where you have recommended titles...
PLEX has that section as a list of movie posters with "other" films that the stars for the selected title were also in and which are in our library, you can then click on a poster and the "new" film plays. If I really like a film its easy to find "other" titles that those stars were in and instantly start it all from the same page. Now that is clever!
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With the new Theatre look do you know how one can scan the whole library to populate all the two rows of small thumbnails. Currently I have to open each film and wait for at least 8secs for the images to load….
Im sure there is a way to scan the library and let it run for an hour or so to populate each film.
I have 3000 films so its too slow to load them one by one.
Thanks in advance...
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With the new Theatre look do you know how one can scan the whole library to populate all the two rows of small thumbnails.
Open Options --> Tree & View
Expand Thumbnails
Click on "Build missing thumbnails"
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The cast images are downloaded on demand and there is no way to do a “batch”. It does cache these images so it is only delayed the first time.
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Open Options --> Tree & View
Expand Thumbnails
Click on "Build missing thumbnails"
That doesnt work I tried that many times days ago.
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The cast images are downloaded on demand and there is no way to do a “batch”. It does cache these images so it is only delayed the first time.
True but you have to open each movie one at a time and it takes up to 8secs to download the images, when you have 3000+ films thats a no go.
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True but you have to open each movie one at a time and it takes up to 8secs to download the images, when you have 3000+ films thats a no go.
Not sure why it is taking so long for you. 2-3 seconds here and I don't have particularly fast internet. It only happens when you go to the movie details page and not when browsing the list.
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I am creating fps icons based on jmone's artistic design. Would you guys like to have "Hz" displayed in there or just the number? That is, "50" or "50 Hz"? Or something else?
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For me a simple 23.976, 50 etc. would be better.
Are you also planning icons for the cropped files?
We don't have a ready-made-field for that, but if we're talking about rules to make it work, I would recommend a slightly more complex ruleset, so it covers both cropped content (eg. 1920x800) as well as 4:3 content (1440x1080)
Width >= 3840 || Height >= 2160 -> 4K
Width >= 1920 || Height >= 1080 -> 1080p
Width >= 1280 || Height >= 720 -> 720p
Width >= 720 && Height >= 576 -> 576p
Width >= 720 || Height >= 480 -> 480p
If this is too annoying to do in a template, I suppose I could make a expression function to return those tokens? Let me know!
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Are you also planning icons for the cropped files?
Yes.
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Not sure why it is taking so long for you. 2-3 seconds here and I don't have particularly fast internet. It only happens when you go to the movie details page and not when browsing the list.
I have ultra fast fibre and am on the highest plan. Some are faster, some are up to 7 or 8 secs, I have no idea why, maybe its scanning files which some are larger than others. Problem is if you dont wait for them to load, if you stop a fil it doesnt return to the menu and you hang there with a black screen and wonder what on earth has happened. When I was testing I thought my PC had crashed a number of times due to the black screen, however it was loading all the thumb nails behind the black screen.
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That doesnt work I tried that many times days ago.
I see, you're talking about the actors and recommended movies, right? Those are pulled on the fly from the web as needed and cached locally in %appdata%\J River\Media Center 32\Cache\Spotlight\Images folder.
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I see, you're talking about the actors and recommended movies, right? Those are pulled on the fly from the web as needed and cached locally in %appdata%\J River\Media Center 32\Cache\Spotlight\Images folder.
why doesn't it go in the location specified in options > file location > program files > temporary files ?
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I see, you're talking about the actors and recommended movies, right? Those are pulled on the fly from the web as needed and cached locally in %appdata%\J River\Media Center 32\Cache\Spotlight\Images folder.
Correct.
Doing this does not populate them.
Open Options --> Tree & View
Expand Thumbnails
Click on "Build missing thumbnails"
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Not sure why it is taking so long for you. 2-3 seconds here and I don't have particularly fast internet. It only happens when you go to the movie details page and not when browsing the list.
anything from 2-8s here, mostly at the higher end. No black screens though so not sure what provokes that.
I was expecting/hoping to be able to jump to individual items in the list btw, e.g. go from that actor to either other films I have with that actor or get more info on the actor. I'd prefer if recommended films were navigable too (and split to show ones I have vs ones I don't)
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anything from 2-8s here, mostly at the higher end. No black screens though so not sure what provokes that.
I was expecting/hoping to be able to jump to individual items in the list btw, e.g. go from that actor to either other films I have with that actor or get more info on the actor. I'd prefer if recommended films were navigable too (and split to show ones I have vs ones I don't)
Correct mine to is anything from 3 to 8 secs to populate the thumbs. (as a test) Open a new film and dont wait to populate the thumbs, start the film and then stop, your screen will remain "black" as its trying to populate the thumbs, when it has the menu will appear.
I agree, I was expecting/hoping to see other films in "my library" that the same actors of the opened film were in, and then click on the title to play. Also the reviews from Rotten Tomatoes like plex has.
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Yes.
Thanks
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Thanks for adding the FPS indicator in V23.0.40. Works great!
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As we now have most things needed in the new Theatre View the only thing missing for me is the size of the file GB, do you think we could have this added please?
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Split posts and merged in the original thread on tooltips:
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,135179.msg962280.html#msg962280
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As we now have most things needed in the new Theatre View the only thing missing for me is the size of the file GB, do you think we could have this added please?
In my opinion the audio and subtitle languages are missing
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File Size doesn't seem that important information to me. Why is it that you want to know that on an immediate glance?
Available languages would be interesting, but hard to present cleanly and concisely.
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File Size doesn't seem that important information to me. Why is it that you want to know that on an immediate glance?
Available languages would be interesting, but hard to present cleanly and concisely.
We had the file size in the old Theatre View and I always found it most important. At a glance its easy to then tell if a film is DVD, BD, HDR etc etc by the file size. Also it tells if a rip is a full 1to1 rip or something of a lesser size/quality. I use it constantly. Available languages arnt important at all to people that use English as far as I can see.
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The new "Active" templates are much more fancy with icons etc. ...
Yes, they are more fancy.
But when I sit down to watch a few episodes of a TV show I have in MC, I am presented with the same pictures of the actors over and over again, with each episode I view.
And those pictures take up a lot of space, pushing the information about each episode that I am interested in off the screen. Also, the actors' photos are current ones, not anything like the actors as they may appear on older shows.
Then there's that huge bold font for the episode title.
What I'd like to see:
The option to show, e.g., Actors' names or Actors' names and photos when I configure what i want to see.
... and tone down that episode title. It does not need to take up that much screen space.
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One other aspect I am curious about....
Where do the images come from?
When those images are downloaded from that site, is the IP address used for the download my IP address, or a server that JR has?
The reason I ask is --- if it is my IP address, then there may be a leakage of information.
I note the JR Privacy document ( https://www.jriver.com/privacy.html (https://www.jriver.com/privacy.html) ) (last modified August 2, 2005) does not mention this current scenario.
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Where do the images come from?
It appears that images are downloaded from themoviedb.org and tmdb.org, stored locally, and served from the MCWS service in MC. That's based on the XML files that are created for each movie in your %appdata%\J River\Media Center 32\Cache\Spotlight\Movie folder.
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Split Saving and Restoring Your Custom Templates in Theater View (https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,138827.0.html)
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Width >= 3840 || Height >= 2160 -> 4K
I've noticed some of my 4k videos with dimensions like 3836x1602 or 3832x2152 that seem to just miss MC's definition of 4k. They end up with the 1080p icon vs. the 4k icon.
Another video with dimensions = 3590x2160 gets the 4k icon, so the rule above must be an "OR" rule.
Can that definition be loosened by a few pixels? Maybe make the width rule Width >= 3830 or something like that?