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Title: Orientation EXIF tag now supported in MC11?
Post by: AdamP on April 03, 2005, 11:56:39 am: Is the Orientation tag properly supported in MC11?

I still haven't made the upgrade from MC10 to 11 and primarily use Photoshop Elements for image support and management. However I use MC for HTPC stuff and so do slideshows from it. However MC 10 doesn't currently properly read the orientation tag from photos. And worse, when I rotate a photo in MC it screws up the photo so it no longer displays properly in Elements.

Note that orientation is set by my camera (Canon SD300) when the photo is taken. That way, portrait pictures are recognized as such automatically in Elements.

-Adam
Title: Re: Orientation EXIF tag now supported in MC11?
Post by: JimH on April 03, 2005, 12:55:11 pm: You may be able to "un-orient" the image in Elements and then rotate it in MC.

JPG file rotation is lossless in MC.
Title: Re: Orientation EXIF tag now supported in MC11?
Post by: AdamP on April 03, 2005, 07:31:01 pm: I guess that still doesn't answer my original question. Is MC11 properly handling orientation tags (as compared to current implementation in MC10).

-Adam
Title: Re: Orientation EXIF tag now supported in MC11?
Post by: JimH on April 03, 2005, 07:46:34 pm: No.
Title: Re: Orientation EXIF tag now supported in MC11?
Post by: KingSparta on April 03, 2005, 08:44:52 pm: >> EXIF tag
It would be usefull, it is one of the reasons I don't use MC for images

any tags really
Title: Re: Orientation EXIF tag now supported in MC11?
Post by: AdamP on April 03, 2005, 08:57:43 pm: Ok thanks for the update - saved the hassle of upgrading to 11 then finding the problem persisting.
Title: Re: Orientation EXIF tag now supported in MC11?
Post by: JimH on April 03, 2005, 09:58:57 pm: Quote from: KingSparta on April 03, 2005, 08:44:52 pm
>> EXIF tag
It would be usefull, it is one of the reasons I don't use MC for images

any tags really
MC does tag JPG files. The JPG standard allows for tags in the header.
Title: Re: Orientation EXIF tag now supported in MC11?
Post by: KingSparta on April 04, 2005, 07:17:07 am: i will try it again, but I still have images without tags

is there something i need to turn on
Title: Re: Orientation EXIF tag now supported in MC11?
Post by: Alex B on April 04, 2005, 07:37:57 am: I don't think there is anything besides the global "Update tags when file info changes".

Action Window > File Type Info shows this:

Quote
1920 x 2560 - 3,5 MB
OLYMPUS OPTICAL CO.,LTD E-20,E-20N,E-20P - 13.12.2002 0:49
ISO-80 - F/2,4 - 1/6 sec.
Focal Length: 36 mm
Metering: Matrix
White Balance: ?
Flash: No
JPEG Quality:
Orientation: Normal
Exposure Program: Aperture Priority
Exposure Bias: -0,3
Comments:

MJMD Tag: v1.0 (742 bytes - APPID 9)
<MJMD>
<Tool_Name>Media Center</Tool_Name>
<Tool_Version>11.0.228</Tool_Version>
<Track_#>18</Track_#>
<Artist>AB</Artist>
<Album>Christmas lights</Album>
<Name>Helsinki Christmas Street 2002</Name>
<Date>37603,034386574072</Date>
</MJMD>

The first tags are EXIF. MC made the second tags.
Title: Re: Orientation EXIF tag now supported in MC11?
Post by: Alex B on April 04, 2005, 07:56:37 am: Actually, there should be a separate option for images. I keep my original image files unaltered (including the file dates), but I could use MC library for them if there was that option.
Title: Re: Orientation EXIF tag now supported in MC11?
Post by: Matt on April 04, 2005, 10:12:37 am: Quote from: Alex B on April 04, 2005, 07:56:37 am
Actually, there should be a separate option for images. I keep my original image files unaltered (including the file dates), but I could use MC library for them if there was that option.

MC image tags are completely innocuous and easy to remove.

You can make files read-only if you don't want anything changing them.
Title: Re: Orientation EXIF tag now supported in MC11?
Post by: Alex B on April 04, 2005, 12:05:00 pm: These are the EXIF tags of the same file viewed in another program after tagging in MC:

Quote
Camera
Make OLYMPUS OPTICAL CO.,LTD
Model E-20,E-20N,E-20P
Orientation upper left
X resolution 144
Y resolution 144
Resolution unit 2
Software 29-1104
Datetime 2002:12:13 00:49:31
YCbCr positioning co-sited
Image
Image description OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA
Exposure time 1/6 s
F-number 2.4
Exposure program Aperture priority
ISO speed ratings 80
Date/time original 2002:12:13 00:49:31
Date/time digitized 2002:12:13 00:49:31
Component config YCbCr
Exposure bias value -0.3
Max. aperture value 2.06
Metering mode Pattern
Flash Flash did not fire
Focal length 36 mm
User comment
Colorspace sRGB
Pixel X dimension 2560
Pixel Y dimension 1920
Artist
Copyright
Miscellaneous
Exif version (30,32,31,30)
Maker note (4f,4c,59,4d,50,00,01,00,00,46,02,00,00, ...a very long code, truncated
FlashPix version (30,31,30,30)
File source DSC

It looks like the MC's proprietary tags do not disturb other EXIF aware programs. So I guess it is OK.

Actually I am more concerned about the file dates.

However, sometimes the dates seem to change anyway. I have recently often discovered that in many folders all files have new dates without an apparent reason.

I would like to use MC for renaming the files from tags, so "read-only" is not an option.

Since the original dates are saved in EXIF, perhaps I could stop worrying about the dates and include the [Date (filename friendly)] string when renaming the files with MC. In that way I could see also with Windows Explorer when the photos were taken.
Title: Re: Orientation EXIF tag now supported in MC11?
Post by: KingSparta on April 04, 2005, 12:41:04 pm: I am Playing with 8,000+ Images Now

I will let you know how it turns out
Title: Re: Orientation EXIF tag now supported in MC11?
Post by: KingSparta on April 04, 2005, 03:00:41 pm: I guess the good news is it works

It would be nice if MC Had Image Convert Like BMP And Gif To Jpg (etc...)