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OT: Media Center on the Bigscreen
« on: March 23, 2004, 04:38:29 pm »

I've been using MC as the hub of my home entertainment center for a while.  It's great.  I think my wife even likes it.

However, I'm using a non-HDTV (with s-video) and it doesn't make for the most readable text for web-browsing or library management.

Well, the other day my brother had me over to show me his new rear-projector with 8-foot screen.  Wow!  I was in love.  I can only imagine what the old-school "late to work" visualization from MJ 7 would look like on that ;)

Does anyone here have any experience or advice about rear-projectors?

A good 800x600 projector is about 1/4 the price of a 1280x1024 -- is the difference worth it?

Thanks for any tips or advice.
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Re:OT -- Media Center on the Bigscreen
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2004, 04:41:44 pm »

Check out the AVS forum for a ton of discussion about this and many other AV related issues.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=68

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Re:OT: Media Center on the Bigscreen
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2004, 05:07:22 pm »

Do you mean front projector?  Rear projection TVs are your typical "big screen" TVs, while front projectors are a little box that projects an image onto a screen or wall.

For a good rear projection TV, check out the Samsung DLP units.  They have a 1280x720 widescreen resolution, are computer-friendly, and have no burn-in.  They are also relatively thin and light (compared to CRT-based rear projectors).
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Re:OT: Media Center on the Bigscreen
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2004, 05:16:02 pm »

I am using MC on a 1280x720 plasma, and I've used it on a lower resolution screen. If the big screen will be your main display, the higher resolution is probably worth it. Higher resolution projectors are likelier to have decent quality inputs suitable for computers eg. DVI, VGA or component.

You will probably need to change Windows DPI and font settings, but it will look fine. The only MC skin that currently works well with large fonts is Dragyn's Opus MC (Large) - please consider making other large font skins!

I hope you explore using MC on a big screen - you will notice a couple of usability points that don't come up when sitting at a computer monitor...
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Re:OT: Media Center on the Bigscreen
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2004, 05:30:39 pm »

Thanks guys.

And sorry, I guess I meant front-projector.  That's why I need the help :P
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Re:OT: Media Center on the Bigscreen
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2004, 07:52:51 pm »

A good 800x600 projector is about 1/4 the price of a 1280x1024 -- is the difference worth it?

Matt, I work in the multimedia services department at a laboratory.  Among many other things (graphic design/art, video, flash, etc), we are in charge of the lab's AV stuff (there are a bunch of conference rooms and an auditorium and whatnot).  I use MC on a big screen all the time.  ;-)

Looking for a projector there are a couple of major things I would consider.

1.  Will it move?
The larger "desktop" or "installation" projectors are usually just plain better projectors.  They offer more inputs, more lumens (brighter picture), and usually much better color accuracy and more control.  Plus, they are usually built better and often have longer warranties.  Some even offer an ultra-cool monitor-over-network type feature (yes, you plug in a network cable).  The downside?  Well, they are big and bulky, and usually a little more expensive (they are afterall the cool ones, unless you go for the "ultra-portable" type when you are paying for the low weight).  For these, we have had great luck with Mitsubishi and Sony projectors.

2.  What will you use it for most (general computing/music/graphics-type-stuff or Movies and TV)?
I mention this because there are two basic types of projectors, LCD and DLP.

LCD projectors use actual little LCD screens (IIRC translucent ones).  They have the benefit of being much brighter (check the ANSI lumens ratings), and some would say have fewer artifacts.  The downside is that their color accuracy isn't on par with the DLP projectors (check the max contrast ratio ratings - bigger difference is better).  Basically, they have trouble reproducing "true black" which makes the dark scenes in many "dark" movies looked washed out (the "true black" areas are really dark gray which matches the "really" dark gray areas in the frame).

DLP projectors use this amazing "super-multi-mirror" device. Ccheck out TI's web site (http://www.dlp.com/?DCMP=TIHomeTracking&HQS=Other+OT+home_dlp) - they invented it I think.  They are somewhat the opposite, not as bright, better black.  I have seen talk that some of them (probably the cheaper ones) do create some artifacts, especially a kind of "rainbow" pattern).  We haven't seen it, but our 3 DLP's are fairly new expensive ones.  I love our HP DLP projector for movies, and its TINY.  It only works well in the dark though ...

3.  Dark or light?
Pretty darn important.  The projector doesn't do any good if you can't see it.  Be careful though, 10,000 ANSI lumens will wash everything out though (and burn a huge hole in your pocket besides).
If you will be using the projector in a room that will often need to have its lights on, or has a bunch of nice big windows, and will want to use the projector at the same time (to watch TV for example) I would recommend at least 2000 lumens.  Less than that can get ugly.  Most of ours (except the beautiful HP) are 3500 lumens and work splendidly.  We still need to close the blinds a lot of the time though.

4.  Resolution?
I would look for a minimum 800x600 native that supports up to 1024x786 compressed.  In my opinion, it would be worth it to go with a projector that does 1024x768 native if I could.  Keep in mind that much like plasma screens, projectors have a native resolution (which is the resolution that it really does) and a compressed resolution (which just "drops" some of the pixels so you don't have to change your resolution on your computer ... most do an interpolation type thing, but still).  That's assuming most of your use is going to be through a computer of course.  If you will mostly be using it for TV, DVDs, and console gaming, then 800x600 is fine.

Other than that, I strongly agree that you should check AVS, that place is great.  There are also some nice reviews at http://www.projectorcentral.com/ so I would check that out.

Hope I helped a little!
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Re:OT: Media Center on the Bigscreen
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2004, 07:57:22 pm »

Oh, I forgot to mention, check the price and suggested life of the bulbs!  They are usually quite expensive, and some of them have MUCH better lifetimes than others.  Usually you can download the user manuals from the companies' web site and look up the bulb lifetime (check for max vs. real too) in there.  Some of them will actually shut the bulb off after so many "hours" of use (total, like 4000).  Also look for energy saver functions that actually shut the projector down after so many "hours" of inactivity.  That is quite important!

Also, measure your "throw" distance before you buy.  The projector won't do much good if you have to have it in the next room to fit the image on the screen.  Usually, the more expensive and higher-res the projector, the "longer" you can throw the image.  Sometimes, though, you can't "zoom" it down enough.  They usually rate minimum and maximum throw distances.

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And sorry, I guess I meant front-projector.

Actually, many of the "installation" projectors do both.  We have a "rear-projection" setup in our auditorium.  Its cool because you don't have to have the big projector hanging out in the middle or back of the room.  Plus, only we can make shadow puppets in the back room.  Downside is that you need a back room and huge amounts of cash for a transulcent screen.  You probably won't go that route unless you are sitting on a TON of loot.
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Re:OT: Media Center on the Bigscreen
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2004, 01:13:37 am »

Sorry but I can't help with projection TVs but Jim obviously is not paying you enough or you wouldn't think twice and would go a buy a Plasma.  If you like we'll start a campaign here on interact for a pay rise for you  ;D.

Seriously, I have a Panasonic TH42PA-20 and picture quality is fantastic.  I don't have to change font or DPI settings as everything looks just right.  I just use Powerstrip to force it into the native res.  In the UK plasmas have really come down in price so there must be some real bargains around in the US.

If I've talked you into it and you do go Plasma just make sure you go for a high contrast ratio (3000-1 or above) and make sure it's got a VGA or DVI input on the back (not the front like I did  :( ). Some sort of burn in protection woul be good too.
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Re:OT: Media Center on the Bigscreen
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2004, 06:55:48 am »

Why pay thousands for a 40" plasma screen when you can pay less for an 80" screen with a projector that is far higher resolution than you can get on the plasma?

I would love to have a plasma screen, but the resolution on the big ones will have to go up quite a bit (and the price come down quite a bit) before I am interested.
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Re:OT: Media Center on the Bigscreen
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2004, 07:39:23 am »

I am using MC on a 1280x720 plasma, and I've used it on a lower resolution screen. If the big screen will be your main display, the higher resolution is probably worth it. Higher resolution projectors are likelier to have decent quality inputs suitable for computers eg. DVI, VGA or component.

You will probably need to change Windows DPI and font settings, but it will look fine. The only MC skin that currently works well with large fonts is Dragyn's Opus MC (Large) - please consider making other large font skins!

I hope you explore using MC on a big screen - you will notice a couple of usability points that don't come up when sitting at a computer monitor...

That latest Thunder-wahtever skin looks great og my 42" plasma as well. And I have the fontd jsvkrf up in MC by strlsdt 4 or 5 points.

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Re:OT: Media Center on the Bigscreen
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2004, 07:43:35 am »

Sorry but I can't help with projection TVs but Jim obviously is not paying you enough or you wouldn't think twice and would go a buy a Plasma.  If you like we'll start a campaign here on interact for a pay rise for you  ;D.
Good idea.  Did I mention the 300% price increase for Media Center yet?
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Re:OT: Media Center on the Bigscreen
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2004, 07:53:06 am »

Sorry but I can't help with projection TVs but Jim obviously is not paying you enough or you wouldn't think twice and would go a buy a Plasma.  If you like we'll start a campaign here on interact for a pay rise for you  ;D.
Good idea.  Did I mention the 300% price increase for Media Center yet?


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Re:OT: Media Center on the Bigscreen
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2004, 02:06:57 pm »

Good idea.  Did I mention the 300% price increase for Media Center yet?
Good thing I already paid ;)
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Re:OT: Media Center on the Bigscreen
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2004, 03:08:57 pm »

Matt, I like to listen to the album Space Metal from Star One (the guy behind Ayreon, if that tells you anything - mostly progressive metal), the track Starchild (about 2001 A Space Oddysey) is mixed in Dolby Surround. Firing that on my 8 foot wide screen from the Barco 808 CRT projector with the 3D vis on makes me wish I was 16 again and had access to "interesting cigarettes"! It simply looks great.
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Re:OT: Media Center on the Bigscreen
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2004, 03:37:16 pm »

Why pay thousands for a 40" plasma screen when you can pay less for an 80" screen with a projector that is far higher resolution than you can get on the plasma?

I would love to have a plasma screen, but the resolution on the big ones will have to go up quite a bit (and the price come down quite a bit) before I am interested.

Just my view.  Whenever I think projector I always think of the 70's and my grandad getting those old holiday slides out.   Save your money and get the real deal.  

The res on my plasma is no determent to the picture which is just awesome.  It's very crisp and sharp and just perfect for browsing your library with MC.  Gpvillamil points out that he has to adjust font sizes and DPI settings on his higher res model which kinda defates the object to me as you are still limiting how much you can actually fit on screen.  I doubt that the picture quality is much better as, like I said the pic from my panny is just awesome.
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