why exactly have a petition for support? you just want a show of people agreeing with you.
there's no way you can disagree witht this. if people agree with you, your cause has added potential to achieve change
You're arguing logistical technicalities. I'm not. The need for support, was spawned out of very apparent intolerance from MANY owners accross various forums. The fact that *I* decided to do something in order to be of help to those who were looking for it, IS that technical part of your gripe with my petition. Perhaps no one else would have taken up a petition, but that's not my concern. I personally have nothing to lose or gain by doing this. However, I AM in a position, which may enable me to have the users voices be heard since as the admin of Mistic, I have some connections through Mistic/ Iriver, who can see to it, that because of the developing relationship between the two, more likely than not, something positive will come out of such actions.
What else...I wasn't calling you in particular a "suck up", it was a general statement.
starting up a petition that you take so seriously as to seek out other forums to spam, just to get your particular annoyance higher up in their priorities list, is frankly a disgusting act of self-interest (and when i say self, i include in it all your buddies that decided it would be a good idea to start up a petition for this). Because that's what a petition is (see above). How at all have i been in anyway egocentric?
Ok, first off, you have once again shown that you assume WAY too much. The OP (ton) by my suggestion when he asked about posting this topic, ASKED PERMISSION from one of (or maybe more, don't know) the admins here. Had whom ever cleared this topic as postable, thought that it was spam material from the get go, I'm sure that we wouldn't be having this conversation. You have a somewhat skewed idea of what the internet is for IMO. It is a place where people seek out information, and where information is able to be spread. Sure, there are protocols and rules of etiquette to be followed, but for YOU to sit there, as an inactive yet opinionated participant, IS extremely "egocentric".
And do I take this seriously ? Of course I do ! It would be absurd and a contradiction for me to even bother taking up such a project if I, or my "buddies" weren't ! So because you are too lazy to get involved, that should mean everyone should follow your lead ? If that was the case, this world would be in deeper crap than it already is. Follow your own set of rules, that's cool, but do YOU HONESTLY think that your mindset, and your way of doing things is the only view which should be asserted in this manner ? THAT my friend, is egocentric thinking.
Furthermore, why should it bother YOU if 100, 200, 500 or a thousand people feel that they're right, and want to try and do something about it ? It's like the ol' if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all, because in the end, you'll have done NOTHING to change the situation..and even if you did, it would be obvious that the change you caused was more on the negative side of things...so again, why bother ?
NEVERTHELESS do you REALLY think that a company that is already a week behind schedule will have the time to give extra consideration (more than they have already) to your issue, whether 300, 500 or even 1000 sign up to your website?
I don't know. Can't say. But should that mean losing interest in something that people feel strongly about ? I guess that if we didn't try, we'd never know for sure, and many people would rather know for sure, than not at all. It's obvious that we have two entirely different opinions on this, and it's probably safer to agree on disagreeing
Also, concerning the delay, one thing has nothing to do with another. In fact, you may be right, and part of the delay may be because they're actually working on the HD bug atm. Doubtful, but who knows. Point is, the Iriver team DID NOT KNOW about this, and users feel that it should be addressed even before they continue on with further firmware mods. Will this get their attention ? Hope so ! That's the point.
It would be far more effective to set up a Bugs forum on misitc river forums with clearly presented bug reports, examples of how to replicate the error, and suggestions as to how to iron out the bugs. That way, iriver engineers can work their way through the problems one by one in a clear-cut, effective way. That's what their own forums were meant to do, before they became what they are now
I don't know about "far more effective", but I do agree that it's a fine idea. We actually had a section dedicated to such things, but recently had a huge prune dump accident ( doh) on the site, and it was lost. It will most likely be resurrected again though. Problem with that one though is, no matter how accurate the bug reports are, or how many there are, this doesn't mean that Iriver will ever see them. And think about this for a second...if they ever did, do you think it would be a very good idea on their part to acknowledge having seen such information ? NOPE. Because then they'd have an immediate responsibility to produce results, or face the ultimate music...losing customers for not coming through. Just a bad business tactic for a company who isn't known for good CS.
Regards,
Doug
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