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media-mogul

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Migrating Media Library
« on: April 30, 2015, 09:24:20 am »

Hi,
Atm, I have my music stored on local disk. However, I've set up a NAS and was wondering whether/how I can migrate my library to the NAS? Also, i'd like this library to be non-jriver specific so that anything can access the music stored there...


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David
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blgentry

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Re: Migrating Media Library
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2015, 09:42:10 am »

How is your Music organized on your local disk?  All under one master folder with sub-folders underneath?  Several top level folders?  All over the place?  Do you like the overall disk organization, or does it need to be cleaned up?

That last question I ask because migrating is an opportunity to do some reorganizing if your library needs it.  It *can* also make migrating more of a clean process.

There are several approaches to migration.  The best way will depend on how you have your music set up on your disk.  Let us know and we should be able to help you get it done.

Brian.
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Re: Migrating Media Library
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2015, 09:51:41 am »

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Frans

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Re: Migrating Media Library
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2015, 12:48:24 pm »

To those in the know: Why not Import the old location and then "move, copy, replace" to the new location?
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Re: Migrating Media Library
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2015, 02:52:33 pm »

To those in the know: Why not Import the old location and then "move, copy, replace" to the new location?
thats what you often do ... but it depends on how his library is set up physically on the hard drives as blgentry mentioned.

If the file structure is coherent with standard tags, sure. Its also a question of what tool to use in the move, copy, replace .... if you have a large library might be faster to just "re-point" the data base with that tool after copying the files using another method; if it is a smallish collection would probably be better to move the files from within JRiver with the other options.

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Re: Migrating Media Library
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2015, 07:26:03 pm »

Copy or backup your music from your local disk to the music folder on the NAS,thats it ,if  it's a Synology NAS it will organize and download art and whatever
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media-mogul

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Re: Migrating Media Library
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2015, 04:44:56 am »

Hi,
Sorry for not replying to this thread sooner. I've been really busy. But thanks for the fedback...

Regarding library organisation, it is the default. I'm no export with jriver so don't know how to reorg it or what the best practices are around media organisation. But that is something I acknowledge I should start thinking about...

I've seen some comments about simply moving the files over to the NAS and then referencing the new location. My unerstanding was that the library structure/referencing was proprietary and would need to be changed to make it generically accessible. That is, my intention is for other players (like sonos) and not just jriver to have access my music files. So i wasn't asking about how to copy files around but rather how to migrate the library format. If I've been misinformed feel feel to put me straight:)

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David
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Re: Migrating Media Library
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2015, 05:32:29 am »

I've seen some comments about simply moving the files over to the NAS and then referencing the new location. My understanding was that the library structure/referencing was proprietary and would need to be changed to make it generically accessible. That is, my intention is for other players (like sonos) and not just jriver to have access my music files. So i wasn't asking about how to copy files around but rather how to migrate the library format.

David, first off to avoid semantic confusion, each player that can act as a controller will have its own "library" or data base. The file path structure of your physical files, and how you have put them on your devices, is not the "library" -- they are not proprietary, they are your media files. So all players will have acces to them if you allow them to. Whether you use JRiver to push files to other renderers (players) or want the players themselves to have individual libraries is your choice. So no worries.

What can cause complications is if you have allowed a player (such as iTunes  ::) ) to do wacko things to your file path structure automatically.

So lets say its more or less normal (if it isn't this might be a good time to get it that way) eg: X:\Music\Album Artist\Album with a couple special folders like  X:\Music\Various Artists\Album or X:\Music\Classical\Composer\Album -- these paths can be linked to the real tags in your music and can easily use built-in tools in MC to move around the files.

Lest say you have a medium size library of 2500 cds or more -- it might be faster to just manually transfer or use a speed copy utility to physically move the files. Afterwards you can re-point JRiver "library" to the new location (either a mapped drive or a UNC path is preferable). On the other hand if you have a smaller library of say 500 cds and your tree path structure is sort of like I gavae as an example, it probably would just be simpler to let MC move the files for you. Of course you could also start from scratch and just reimport everything after clearing your library (you would lose some info like playback counts and other tags you have not specified to write to disk in JRiver options).

Now about your other players you want to have accessing this using their library files (database), they might not be as flexible. You might have to reimport or repopulate, but that shouldn't be a big issue if you are using the JRiver tags as the master - the metadata is or could be written to disk. I know that the Sonos player has a significant limit on the number of files (that includes playlists too unfortunately so it can be reached rapidly with a small number of cds). You might have to find a work around for that, but that has nothing to do with JRiver's library files reading your media ones. And nothing to do with files being moved around either :)

Anyway, you shouldn't worry about proprietary restrictions, even if you restructure your media using a different file folder setup, even iTunes will acknowledge the new filepaths -- just change it in options (and don't allow any "compacting" or whatever they say I forget). Worse case if that you have to reimport to the other players -- I'd probably do that anyway as its sounds like it is just for playback anyways .
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Re: Migrating Media Library
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2015, 10:37:52 am »

http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Moving_Files

I have tried the above many times this week to no avail.

I have the hard disc on the computer full (60 gb SSD), an external HD full, and another mostly full.  Things worked fine with many playlists, etc.

Total of all the music is around 3 TB's.  I have two 5 TB backups where I copied in the name of the drive (Canvio, or MiniPro, etc. and the accompanying letter:\).  My filing system on each is slightly different because the C drive had HDTracks files, downloads, etc. in the Music folder.  One of the externals has a DSD folder and a FLAC folder.  The other external has a music folder and a bunch of playlist M3U files in it.

I tried naming 5 TB music folder G:\Toshiba All Music and just copying in the entire contents of the C drive music folder calling it HAL Music and the external hard drives calling one MiniPro and the other Canvio.  I was hoping JR would look into Toshiba All Music and see down in the bowels of each of the 3 directories that music existed.

I have tried repeatedly to repoint all the files from the C, E, and F drives to the G:\Toshiba All Music and I cannot get the files in JR to stop looking at C, E, and F.  And then I tried an experiement to replace E with G in playlists and those did not work either.

I am wondering if it is easier to get a blank 5 TB drive and "copy" each C, E, and F drive files to a new drive. Or should I redo my file organization in the 5 TB G drive (because my folder structure is confusing to JR)?

I have rescanned the library several times after doing the above drive letter change and the files still look at C, E, and F.  I have gone into Options several times to be sure that I am pointing auto import to the G drive only.

Any suggestions?
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Re: Migrating Media Library
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2015, 10:59:29 am »

I have tried the above many times this week to no avail.

I have the hard disc on the computer full (60 gb SSD), an external HD full, and another mostly full.  Things worked fine with many playlists, etc.

Total of all the music is around 3 TB's.  I have two 5 TB backups where I copied in the name of the drive (Canvio, or MiniPro, etc. and the accompanying letter:\).  My filing system on each is slightly different because the C drive had HDTracks files, downloads, etc. in the Music folder.  One of the externals has a DSD folder and a FLAC folder.  The other external has a music folder and a bunch of playlist M3U files in it.

I tried naming 5 TB music folder G:\Toshiba All Music and just copying in the entire contents of the C drive music folder calling it HAL Music and the external hard drives calling one MiniPro and the other Canvio.  I was hoping JR would look into Toshiba All Music and see down in the bowels of each of the 3 directories that music existed.

I have tried repeatedly to repoint all the files from the C, E, and F drives to the G:\Toshiba All Music and I cannot get the files in JR to stop looking at C, E, and F.  And then I tried an experiement to replace E with G in playlists and those did not work either.

I am wondering if it is easier to get a blank 5 TB drive and "copy" each C, E, and F drive files to a new drive. Or should I redo my file organization in the 5 TB G drive (because my folder structure is confusing to JR)?

I have rescanned the library several times after doing the above drive letter change and the files still look at C, E, and F.  I have gone into Options several times to be sure that I am pointing auto import to the G drive only.

Any suggestions?

In Rename Move and Copy Files, make sure you have it set to Copy (and update database to point at new location) instead of just copy.
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Re: Migrating Media Library
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2015, 11:03:03 am »

first:  change your import settings (tools>import) to ONLY look at the new drive.  sounds like that is the main issue

second:  referencing a new drive letter (i.e. from C to G) only works if the folder structure is EXACTLY the same as before (other than the drive letter), or else as you see fit...so for example in the rename, move copy tool, you would select Update Database..., then in directories you'd change C:\music to G:\All music

however if your file structure changed at all (in windows) this won't work, you'd have to then specify further down how that folder structure changed.

at this point, maybe try making a new library (back up the old library first) that ONLY points to G:\All Music, and then setting import to ONLY look at that...it should then import all music.  the bad part is that you'll lose all the settings for views etc. but it may be an easier path at this point, it sounds like you may have quite a confusing bit of structure going on (you can also just change the import settings in the current library, but then you'll have to deal with any old references that MC couldn't fix, which isn't hard but it's a bit of a slog)




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Re: Migrating Media Library
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2015, 12:01:16 pm »

How long does it take MC to recognize all the "new" files in the new locations?  Hours or days?  (90,000 tracks)
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« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2015, 12:21:47 pm »

hours (depending on your machine obviously)

i have 250,000 tracks and i left it overnight, it was done in the morning so somewhere between 0 and 8 hours :)
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Bigredmachine

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Re: Migrating Media Library
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2015, 03:46:59 pm »

When you guys do that, do you go into all your playlists and edit them to synch with the new drive? I live and die by playlists.....I know how to edit the M3U version in wordpad.
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« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2015, 10:24:34 pm »

Playlists are stored using information from the database. No need to do anything manually.
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