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[zevele10]

just saw that my Maxtor 160 FULL of music has a problem.
I cannot import any file from it.
If i try to open it from Explorer .i get this pop up
'The disc in drive E is not  formated
do you want to format it now.
Of cause this drive was formated Fat 32 when i was running ME . NTSF since i have 2000- few weeks-
Since formated to NTSF i put 28 000 new songs on this drive -only download music-
So it was working fine.
Going out for a concert i left the computer with a download manager set to 3 songs at once and MP3.com player downloading one song by one song.And Zinf player playing and ripping songs -200 in the queue.

This is average works since few weeks for my computer.
But i found all softwares with an error message - i do not remember the text-
And found out the problem.
Any help VERY welcome.
The most important to me is to be able to move music to other drives.
I don't care about the drive . If kappout .it is still under garantie

[Ingo]

Hi zevele,

first have a look at maxtor's page and get their tool to check for errors. make sure you only do nondestructive tests...

as it's ntfs formated you need some extra tools to recover files from it (if the drive is not too damaged...). I had luck using a win9x ntfs driver that's available in a read only version for free from http://www.winternals.com/ (you need w2k's ntfs drivers, xp's didn't work for me last may). They also have a ntfs-for-dos tool.
I also tried some special data recovery tools. non of them worked, something I didn't try was linux using it's ntfs-ro driver. If you need a linux that just works from a cd without any special knowledge try knoppix: http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html

good luck.

Ingo

[graham131]

Zevele,

Try this - it is a data recovery tool.  You can download and try a demo first to see if it works.  I used it sucessfully when i had a disk crash.  It saved every single file.

Full NTFS version if $50

http://www.r-tt.com/RStudio.shtml

Graham

[zevele10]

So you mean that my drive is dead?

[graham131]

So you mean that my drive is dead?

Sounds possible!  Hope not

[Ingo]

So you mean that my drive is dead?

maxtor's tool should tell you ;-)

let's hope the best...

(btw.: at least maxtor/Germany sends a new drive in advance to allow saving of data... at least that's what a friend of mine found out about 2 weeks ago....)

Ingo

[zevele10]

Not here.
Small country ,small market. If i want to contact Maxtor ,i have to do it in Ireland.
Large drives even a smaller market here.
People do not buy it ,they buy a computer to each kid.
Houses with 3 ,4 ,5 computers are not that rare.
Same with TV ,video and DVD.
Each kid has it in his room.
Anyway ,i will deal with the shop i bought the drive.
It is a friend ,so on this side i can fell ok.

I did many other tests: the problem is the drive ,not the OS.

The only tool i can get from Maxtor reformat drives to check them ..so ,not now.

A friend sent me 2 programs to try to get the files back.
If not working ,i would try the 2 programs you gave me the name.
First i have to put some music on cd ,cause i do not have enought room left on my 3 other drives...

A big thanks for the help .
I let you know . But 8:19 PM here ,i have really enought for today.. I did a clean install to see if problem solved.
I have now to install all the stuff and make the TONS of 2000 updates.
I know ,i can make an image ...on drive E: Maxtor 160 giga let says....... and lost the image as well......

[zevele10]

the drive is maybe  not dead.
I found out - not me  Michel from this forum found out the problem.
Maxtor 160 was not formated as it has to be ,got a maximum of 137 G room stockage with HUDGE risk of lost data if over this 137.

I used 2 recovery programs that cannot start to scan the drives ...got error from the start.
Now i run the graham131 program.This one works ,but i do not have  any hopes concerning what the scan result will be...
If i am wrong and i can get back most of the songs ,sure i buy the program ,not thinking one minute about the $50

[graham131]

the drive is maybe  not dead.
I found out - not me  Michel from this forum found out the problem.
Maxtor 160 was not formated as it has to be ,got a maximum of 137 G room stockage with HUDGE risk of lost data if over this 137.

I used 2 recovery programs that cannot start to scan the drives ...got error from the start.
Now i run the graham131 program.This one works ,but i do not have  any hopes concerning what the scan result will be...
If i am wrong and i can get back most of the songs ,sure i buy the program ,not thinking one minute about the $50

2 Things Zev,

1 - Yes the format makes sense.  A drive larger than 137Gb is "normally" ATA133 so to get over 137Gb you would need to have it connected to an ATA133 compatible controller and then format it.  I say normally as i know that WD now have a 200Gb drive out that is 100ATA.  Who knows how that works?  not me.

2 - If the demo download can see your files, then the full version for $50 will def work.  Obviously you will need to be able to copy them somewhere, to another disk?

Cheers

Graham

[Ingo]

1 - Yes the format makes sense.  A drive larger than 137Gb is "normally" ATA133 so to get over 137Gb you would need to have it connected to an ATA133 compatible controller and then format it.  I say normally as i know that WD now have a 200Gb drive out that is 100ATA.  Who knows how that works?  not me.

adressing drives larger than 137GB (where 1G=1*10^9 and not 1024^2 ) is not dependent on ATA133. Usually drives that large will be ATA133 but that's only because they are 'new'. Adressing these drives is done by writing the sector count register twice and thus doubling the size of the register to 48bit (if I remember right). This is only software and can be done on any old or new IDE controller.

zevele,
you said your drive is 160GB, can (ok... could you...) you access all this? if yes, make sure the drive is recognised as larger than 137GB and thus adressed by writing the register twice... (I'm not sure how to do that... I've avoided these drives until now... and I think I'm going to do that for some more time)

Ingo

[zevele10]

Voilà ce que dis Maxtor:

z> Voici ce que dit Maxtor (un des premiers fabricants de disques de
z> capacité > 137 Go) à ce sujet :
z>
z> En raison de limitations dans Windows et de nombreux types de BIOS
z> système, partitionner et formater des disques durs plus grands que
z> 137 Gigaoctets sans le support adéquat de pilotes ou d'un
z> contrôleur CAUSERA DES PERTES DE DONNEES lorsque la capacité au
z> delà de la barrière des 137 Go sera utilisée

From Maxtor french site.
To make short : format or partition on drives more than 137 without support of proper 'stuff' will cause lost of data if write on it beyond the 137 mark








Here the problem:
my drive is not reconized as larger than 137
Fault of the shop.
I did know about it. I was at more than 3 quater of the drive full .
I left with this runing

Je fini MP3.com:
2226 songs dans StarDownloader qui tourne a 3
downloads /160 KB/s
1825 dans MP3 Player qui traine a 25+Kb's
et 400 streams/rip dans Zinf.

In french [?] well kind of ,but you can se that HUDGE  amont of data was to be put on the drive .
And most of the 2226 songs big -from 8 up to 12 MB-

At one point i was above the 137 mark and ...BOUM!

Look like that i have ..2 GB -yes two- i can get back ,no more.
In the next day ,i will be able to tell you how to deal propely with big drives.

[zevele10]

Graham


Sorry i did not see your post.
But what you say is what we  got  from Maxtor France site .
Mind you at the shop they formated the drive before instaling the ATA133  , and  the motherboard WAS NOT compatible with the ATA133.
Because of it i found that my Maxtor 160 and IBM 120  not being DMA set....

Here they just do not know about it.
You do not find bigger than 60 giga here.
When i found the only shop in all the country having the Maxtor 160 ,strong from the KingSparta tip i asked for the ATA133...
What? What it is ? Do we need it?
So they imported some ATA 133......

And ,beside it ,i am very far to be good at computer.
So i learn throught pain and problems.
The results from the scan are really bad .
I let you know

Update

First the story about the motherboard was under ME and Pentium 3.
Now i have a new motherboard  who is compatible and recomanded by Atllon- Igot an Athlon 200o xp-

Concerning the scan .
If you remember
In green Reconized0 = both records and files found i have NONE.

In  orange Reconized1 = only files entries found ,i have some
in red Reconized2 = only boot records found i have some .

But most of it are FAt ,so not that i would like to get back.

I may be wrong but look like i have nothing to get back....

[phelt]

zevele: sorry to hear about your drive problem  

If the drive is NTFS formatted and showing no data, it could be a problem with the MBR (Master Boot Record). IIRC, the MBR keeps a table of the files and folders for NTFS drives. Software queries the MBR to locate files on the drive. But if the MBR is hosed then it looks like there's no valid data. So you would want a recovery program that can ignore the MBR and search for data manually.

I've had the best results from Easy Recovery Pro. It's expensive, so maybe one of their other recovery programs would work for you. Good luck!

[Ingo]

phelt,

the mbr is the first sector on the harddisk and only holds the positions and sizes of the partitions on the disk (and a small start program that loads and executes the bootsector of the active partion if its the first drive in the system...). It can hold up to 4 partions. Logical volumes located in extended partitions are referenced by a 'sencondary MBR' at the start of the extended partition...

as for ontrack: I tried that last year after my harddisk crashed... and it did the same. crashed all the time. but that might not be the case for zevele as his drive isn't broken... but it still looks strange to me as it is a program is made to handle such situations...

Ingo

[zevele10]

I got Easy Recovery Pro from a friend .
But it is not working  ,second after starting the scan i get an error message,and the program close.
The same with the free demo of the last version.

I did a lot of cds with mp3 and APE on it . Like it 2 other drives are empty in case i can get files back.

Running the Graham's program on this drives give me results ,there is data i can get back.
Look like there is no data to be saved from the Maxtor   160 turned 137  drive.
For now ,i do not move.
I am waiting for tip from someone who is one of the best at world level concerning recovery data - with the help -of cause - from  Michel from this forum.

The good thing is the more time before you know if you  can get back files ,the less you care.
From despair to hope to wait and see.
Anyway was only music on it . A very large part not available anymore.. for sure
But not like all my data for my everyday work lost.

Beside this i start to see computer NOT as a total media center.
It does not make sense to spend to backup  2-3  and more hundreds GB of songs ,pictures and movies.
And you may ,at any time lost a large part of it.
Accident or ,like in my case ,mistake

Thanks very much for all the help .
I let you know the end of the Maxtor saga..
But i am sure about it : i will have 160 GB free to fill with new stuff.....

[Deivit]

Zevele,

Is your Maxtor 160GB an internal drive or an external firewire drive?

Thank you.

[zevele10]

Internal drive