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JimLill

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Radio Paradise
« on: February 19, 2018, 11:23:12 am »

How about adding Radio Paradise (support) to the app

http://www.radioparadise.com

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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2018, 03:31:27 pm »

I'd second that. One of my favorite listens. They now have a lossless flac option too that might be available. LMS can access it, would be very cool if JRiver could.

I often think that JRiver and Radio Paradise appeal to the same group of people. I reckon Bill and Jim would get on really well  :)
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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2018, 03:38:19 pm »

You should be able to add one of their URLs to your library already - https://www8.radioparadise.com/rp3.php?name=Listen&file=links

Is there something else you mean by "support"?
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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2018, 03:46:42 pm »

Maybe the way Squeezebox does.... 

"Next, we'll be bringing FLAC audio to our new web player (current release date Feb 2018) and we'll make it available via other hardware and software players as soon as we can. Users of Logitech Squeezebox devices can access it via this plugin.

There is not currently a FLAC stream URL you can use for VLC, Sonos, Winamp, etc. The iPhone app requires iOS 11+ for FLAC, and even with that version it will not be available on some older hardware. The AppleTV app works on Gen 4 (Siri remote) devices only.

If your device or player can't access FLAC, you can still listen via our excellent 320k or 192k streams. Links to those streams are here."
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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2018, 03:48:44 pm »

I'm thinking about native support - a plugin for the lossless stream and the ability to use the other features like the android app

"The (Android) app features our HD Slideshow of images synchronized to the music (particularly nice when viewed on a tablet), song lyrics, and the comments & opinions about the songs from your fellow RP listeners."

Now that would be cool.

I use the 320 kbps AAC link and its great
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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2018, 03:50:04 pm »

Also, when you use the URL method, you get a song name but not the artist the way you do on their page. I am betting that JR could provide both. 

RP is such a great source of music.
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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2018, 03:51:53 pm »

Also, when you use the URL method, you get a song name but not the artist the way you do on their page. I am betting that JR could provide both. 

RP is such a great source of music.

I do get both Artist and song via the 320 AAC link..

http://stream-uk1.radioparadise.com/aac-320
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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2018, 04:05:09 pm »

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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2018, 04:17:48 pm »

I guess the LMS plugin works in the same  way the app does, if you can read perl then you can see how it works by reading through the source.

It doesn't just open a stream instead it hits a URL like https://api.radioparadise.com/api/get_block?bitrate=4&info=true&src=alexa which yields some json like

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{
  "event": "6706",
  "end_event": "6712",
  "length": "1149.728",
  "url": "https://apps.radioparadise.com/blocks/4/6706-6712.flac",
  "cue": 0,
  "expiration": 1519164651,
  "action": null,
  "sync": null,
  "debug": null,
  "type": "flac",
  "image_base": "//img.radioparadise.com/",
  "song": {
    "0": {
      "event": "6707",
      "sched_time": "1519078249.923",
      "song_id": "42963",
      "duration": "154000",
      "artist": "Doc Watson",
      "title": "Sittin' On Top Of The World",
      "album": "Doc Watson",
      "year": "1964",
      "asin": "B000000EHR",
      "rating": "7.6",
      "slideshow": "24085,27463,38438,49955,46631,44511,5320,33956,23802,47959,19163,17511,29419,46278,44510,44512,33828",
      "cover": "covers/l/B000000EHR.jpg",
      "user_rating": null,
      "elapsed": 1
    },
    "1": {
      "event": "6708",
      "sched_time": "1519078403.923",
      "song_id": "42419",
      "duration": "245500",
      "artist": "The Waifs",
      "title": "I Learn The Hard Way",
      "album": "Temptation",
      "year": "2011",
      "asin": "B004P96WVI",
      "rating": "6.6",
      "slideshow": "42990,41518,15412,8652,38432,52419,7987,53685,29616,55325,37568,6461,30771,6880,39392,26255,44553,48939,44393,29226,6462,2838,37511,41045,36136,37479",
      "cover": "covers/l/B004P96WVI.jpg",
      "user_rating": null,
      "elapsed": 154001
    },
    "2": {
      "event": "6709",
      "sched_time": "1519078649.423",
      "song_id": "30656",
      "duration": "218000",
      "artist": "Cracker",
      "title": "The Golden Age",
      "album": "The Golden Age",
      "year": "1996",
      "asin": "B000000WB3",
      "rating": "6.2",
      "slideshow": "15926,26959,44427,55461,19252,26668,47840,42213,15835,34616,16927,33759,13088,13089,48680,52651,22443,51543,13085,37198,35687,36103,43242",
      "cover": "covers/l/B000000WB3.jpg",
      "user_rating": null,
      "elapsed": 399501
    },
    "3": {
      "event": "6710",
      "sched_time": "1519078867.423",
      "song_id": "33478",
      "duration": "195000",
      "artist": "Turtle Island String Quartet",
      "title": "Crossroads",
      "album": "Skylife",
      "year": "1990",
      "asin": "B000000NE9",
      "rating": "6.9",
      "slideshow": "17379,30717,17376,17368,22361,34239,43834,21155,19477,17371,19625,17380,17369,17372,17377,25494,17370,23840,42117,29372,17378",
      "cover": "covers/l/B000000NE9.jpg",
      "user_rating": null,
      "elapsed": 617501
    },
    "4": {
      "event": "6711",
      "sched_time": "1519079062.423",
      "song_id": "44703",
      "duration": "321200",
      "artist": "Issa Bagayogo",
      "title": "Nogo",
      "album": "Timbuktu",
      "year": "2007",
      "asin": "B00005Y1T8",
      "rating": "6.6",
      "slideshow": "54299,43601,17789,54310,4717,43600,54309,54308,4712,36752,55354,41886,12918,56621,26588,45667,55356,54297,54302,55355,4715,55628,54306,3345,51111,35561,47134,9087,37971,6328,7045,42319,49442,54140",
      "cover": "covers/l/B00005Y1T8.jpg",
      "user_rating": null,
      "elapsed": 812501
    }
  }
}

the json contains a URL which points at a flac file so the plugin then hits those URLs (and the associated image info) to show the playing now info and play the specific flac file (like https://apps.radioparadise.com/blocks/4/6706-6712.flac&src=alexa from the example above)


i.e. jriver would have to add some specific support for this (apparently custom) protocol

I would have thought this is unlikely to happen (but I don't work here so don't take that as an authoritative answer)
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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2018, 06:39:33 pm »

+1

I vote for adding in JRiver the support for FLAC playback of Radio Paradise.

piCorePlayer \ Squeezebox can do it perfectly and.... it is free \ Open Source.

Come one.
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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2018, 12:25:31 am »

To me this is a no brainer.

Radio Paradise are a quality outfit that are always pushing ahead and offering state of the art solutions, and all they ask for in return is voluntary support from their audience.

They are (imho) just the kind of people that JRiver should align with to show that they too are at the cutting edge and looking to improve the user experience.

JimH, how about a vote on this one? Lets make something happen here and take MC forward!
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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2018, 02:01:18 am »

If they don't publish a spec for their protocol then it doesn't really look like they want people to adopt it
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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2018, 03:30:46 am »

On my piCorePlayer running Squeezebox on the Raspberry,
I can play the FLAC channel opening the following URL:

radioparadise://4.flac

moreover I can not only listen to the music, but also display info about what is being played and artworks as well.
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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2018, 03:45:50 am »

As I have already posted, the plugin is an implementation of a custom, undocumented, protocol that is based on playing individual files at a time rather then simply playing a stream. The URL you provide is just what it displays, it is not an actual URL.
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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2018, 06:55:33 am »

File > Open URL
http://stream-dc1.radioparadise.com/aac-128

That worked for me. 
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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2018, 07:02:04 am »

This is not the URL for RP FLAC but for lossy format.

Anyway, I partially agree with Mattkhan:
I looked deep into the script and radioparadise://4.flac is not the actual URL, sorry for that.

On the other side, RP announced the web player for FLAC and for hardware player too and moreover that news that it is also supported by Sbueezebox is on their web site so... never mind if it is custom piece of software, documented or not... it is on RP website so I suppose it will be supported by both

"Next, we'll be bringing FLAC audio to our new web player (current release date Feb 2018) and we'll make it available via other hardware and software players as soon as we can. Users of Logitech Squeezebox devices can access it via this plugin. "
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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2018, 07:11:39 am »

File > Open URL
http://stream-dc1.radioparadise.com/aac-128
fwiw the request is for their flac "stream" (which isn't a stream as such) not one of the available mp3/aac/ogg steams

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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2018, 07:14:00 am »

I know.  I just thought someone might find it useful.
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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2018, 09:05:54 am »

FWIW, I'll say my wife & I have been enjoying RP for almost 10 years now as contributing members and love it.  We'd be pretty happy to see JRiver support as much high-quality functionality as possible.  The quality of their 320AAC link compared to what we currently have via our Sonos' setup default is startling.  Anyway, thanks for considering... RP is really a class act and has been for a very long time.
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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2018, 09:38:45 am »

+1 here.

I have been a member since 2008. Probably one of the best streaming "radio" I have heard.

Would love to see a bit more formal support for their flac offering.

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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2018, 10:55:02 am »

maybe this guy will share

http://plugins.slimdevices.narkive.com/ge1fHtgj/slimdevices-plugins-announce-radio-paradise-lossless-streaming-plugin-v2

He also says "Thanks Bill for providing me with the information required to make this happen!"

Would it not be a good idea to contact Bill at Radio Paradise and ask him if he wants to provide the info required to see if it can easily be implemented in MC?
Seems a good place to start and I cant think for one moment he would say no.
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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2018, 10:57:15 am »

It's a great station.  No doubt.

In general, we can't spend our time implementing solutions that serve one purpose.

I looked for a URL to the Flac stream and couldn't find one.

What would a plug-in do that can't be done in MC?
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« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2018, 11:05:48 am »

It's a great station.  No doubt.

In general, we can't spend our time implementing solutions that serve one purpose.

I looked for a URL to the Flac stream and couldn't find one.

What would a plug-in do that can't be done in MC?

"The (Android) app features our HD Slideshow of images synchronized to the music (particularly nice when viewed on a tablet), song lyrics, and the comments & opinions about the songs from your fellow RP listeners."

Also, I believe the ability to move to the next track if you don't like whats playing...

Go on Jim just tell us you will contact RP at least to look at the feasibility... :)
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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2018, 11:47:35 am »


Here's a posting from RPs own forum

Posted: Feb 14, 2018 - 8:43am   [ Reply ]
 Jdingman wrote:
Are you going to get FLAC rollout to J River? Timing? 

 
We don't currently have any way to deliver a true FLAC stream i.e. a URL you can plug into a player.

FLAC playback involves some software tricks at the client end, so for now it is limited to our apps (iOS, Android, AppleTV, MacOS & FireTV), our new web player (coming very soon), or third-party apps that use our player API (like the one for Squeezebox Server).
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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #25 on: February 20, 2018, 12:01:18 pm »

Since you already have a line of communication with them, you could ask if they have documentation for their API, that would at least give us an idea what its all about (no promises, though).
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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #26 on: February 20, 2018, 12:23:55 pm »

Ok, challenge accepted! I'm on it.....

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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #27 on: February 20, 2018, 05:18:38 pm »

The info is here but you'd need permission from the author

http://www.herger.net/_data/RadioParadise-2.1.2.zip

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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2018, 12:24:20 am »


I've invited Bill G from Radio Paradise to have a look at this thread.

Reply to the documentation query


"I will definitely take a look (at the thread) at that the next chance I get.

We will be publishing API details sometime fairly soon but it's pretty simple & I can easily share it with the JRiver folks."
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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2018, 05:13:21 am »

Thanks to all of you who jumped in after my original post!
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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2018, 10:23:10 am »

Thanks to all of you who jumped in after my original post!

Yep, sorry about that. Did hi jack your thread somewhat, but I get a bit excited sometimes!

We seems to have made progress, which is good. Hopefully more users will express an interest now and help get this moving!
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« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2018, 11:37:58 am »

I've invited Bill G from Radio Paradise to have a look at this thread.

Reply to the documentation query


"I will definitely take a look (at the thread) at that the next chance I get.

We will be publishing API details sometime fairly soon but it's pretty simple & I can easily share it with the JRiver folks."

Hi everybody. We'd be happy to help any developers who want to get something going on this. We will be publishing details on our API sometime soon, ...

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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2018, 12:22:18 pm »

Thank you and welcome.
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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2018, 01:22:58 pm »

One more thing: the RP API will soon be adding more big-screen-friendly content. It will probably make a fairly excellent JRiver app.

We'll be debuting that in early March (as a beta). Stay tuned.
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« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2018, 03:13:00 pm »

Wow! There is a lot of interest over in the RP forums from users scrabbling to find ways to use this great new functionality so an opportunity for JRiver.

I think I'm right in saying RP is the first to offer a subscription free service (Listener Supported) at CD quality.
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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2018, 03:33:26 pm »

Hijack robt?,  no way... I was sincere about the thanks and happy to see so many shared my POV
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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2018, 03:37:05 pm »

I hope all you RP fans did something on $10-Tuesday!  ;D
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« Reply #37 on: February 21, 2018, 03:45:34 pm »

Hijack robt?,  no way... I was sincere about the thanks and happy to see so many shared my POV

Thats cool, I thought I might have trodden on your toes a bit there! That Bill G took the time to come here and be so upfront with info was great. And yes, I happily did my duty on Tuesday, but in sterling  ;)
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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #38 on: March 04, 2018, 03:15:22 pm »

I've now resurrected my Squeezebox server software as there is a plugin that supports the new RP flac stream. That plays to Squeezeplayer (a software Squeezebox for Windows) and then via the JRiver WDM driver to my music system.

I've been listening to the flac stream for the last couple of days, and I've got to say its stunning. Even has the "Play Something Else" option working. They obviously have some serious kit at the RP end as the difference in this stream and the 320 kbps stream hits you in the face! If you are looking for a seriously high quality source for music then this is it. If you have the opportunity to access this new service then you wont be disappointed. There will be a web player available soon which will remove the need for Squeezebox to be used. I've not had one "glitch" in playback and I don't have a particularly fast internet connection.

I do hope JRiver can consider getting on board with this, but for the moment it works really well with the WDM driver and JRiver processing. But I'd be so happy with a button on my Theater View that fired it up  ;D
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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #39 on: March 26, 2018, 05:14:51 am »

Feb 2018 has passed, I wonder how RP is doing with their new scheme?
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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #40 on: March 26, 2018, 06:18:00 am »

The Radio Paradise FLAC streaming is running in MC24 now.
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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #41 on: March 26, 2018, 10:47:55 am »

Hi Jim

Great news. JimLill and I (and I'm sure others) had guessed there was something in the wind when BillG became a beta team member! We kept quiet as I thought you wanted to keep this one up your sleeve for the release of v24.

Can you give any more info? Any chance that those that pushed for this can have a sneek preview?

Either way, a great move for JRiver and Radio Paradise and I for one am really pleased. Thanks for listening to our requests.

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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #42 on: March 27, 2018, 10:31:51 am »

Thanks!!
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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #43 on: March 27, 2018, 07:00:03 pm »

Thank you!  Looking forward to it!
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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #44 on: April 10, 2018, 10:50:15 am »

Under the Streaming category in MC 24, you'll now find Radio Paradise, a listener supported station.  It's lossless FLAC.

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« Reply #45 on: April 10, 2018, 11:07:11 am »

Great job and thanks.

Can't wait to start using it.

Another reason to use JRiver  :)
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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #46 on: April 10, 2018, 12:12:48 pm »

Great!
Will it be added to the MC on Idpi, too?  Pleeeease!
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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #47 on: April 10, 2018, 12:33:52 pm »

Probably
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Re: Radio Paradise
« Reply #48 on: April 13, 2018, 10:23:03 pm »

After installing MC24 and restoring an MC23 backup I don't see any Radio Paradise entry under 'Streaming'.  Do I need to "flip a switch" somewhere?
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« Reply #49 on: April 14, 2018, 12:43:08 am »

Click on the Streaming heading and you will see a RP icon to the right. Click that.
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