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Hendrik

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NEW: Red October HQ Quality Settings
« on: December 11, 2018, 08:23:47 am »

In recent builds we've introduced pre-defined quality levels for Red October HQ, which lets you pick settings appropriate for a wider range of hardware, or for improved image quality.

In Media Center 24.0.68, we've further refined and renamed these settings. In Build 68 and above, you can find them under Settings -> Video -> Quality Setting (before 24.0.68, the settings have a slightly different name)
Activating a Quality Setting preset will overwrite any custom madVR settings you may have made, and restore everything to defaults.

In the past, we've often recommended to use Red October Standard on low-end hardware, however RO HQ enables handling 3D or HDR videos even without opting into the higher quality features, so it was important for us to enable a built-in method to play such videos without complicated customizations.

Currently we offer 3 profiles:

Best Performance, designed for low-end or integrated graphics cards

This setting was specifically designed to be able to run Red October HQ on low-end integrated Intel GPUs, and should work out of the box even on 4K HDR. For the best experience, we recommend enabling "Hardware acceleted video decoding" as well as "Optimize hardware decoding for performance" (the option is only available in RO HQ mode)

Balanced, the old default mode

This setting reflects the RO HQ default we've had for years. A decent quality enhancement over RO Standard, but still very easy on the hardware, and very close to the default settings of madVR itself.

Best Quality, for mid-range dedicated graphics cards

The Best Quality setting uses the best "conventional" upscalers available in Red October HQ, namely "Jinc". It offers a decent upgrade in quality in almost all situations over the Balanced setting, while still being pretty moderate on the GPU power requirements. This setting does not use any of the advanced "doublers" available in madVR, because proper use of those requires precise tailoring to your GPU, screen size, and the content you watch - and they tend to be very aggressive on hardware requirements.

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We will refine these profiles in the future as needed, but in initial testing these settings have shown a great improvement for the RO HQ experience. Specifically the "Best Performance" setting, in conjunction with the new performance optimized hardware decoding, allows a wide variety of systems to play modern content without a lot of customized tweaking.
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Re: NEW: Red October HQ Quality Settings
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2018, 12:47:30 am »

I have some slightly aggressive settings and complex customisation of Madvr based on source material, most of which I would probably struggle to re implement if I changed them.  Am I able to backup my existing madvr settings and try the new ROHQ ones? Or will they just be gone if I switch?
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Re: NEW: Red October HQ Quality Settings
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2018, 01:31:47 am »

also interested in this query
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Re: NEW: Red October HQ Quality Settings
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2018, 04:32:27 am »

I have some slightly aggressive settings and complex customisation of Madvr based on source material, most of which I would probably struggle to re implement if I changed them.  Am I able to backup my existing madvr settings and try the new ROHQ ones? Or will they just be gone if I switch?

You can copy your settings.bin out of the plugins directory to back it up.
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Re: NEW: Red October HQ Quality Settings
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2018, 03:22:37 pm »

I just installed the .68 build and still standard and HQ only.. why?
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Re: NEW: Red October HQ Quality Settings
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2018, 03:29:54 pm »

The 3 quality settings can be selected once you have selected ROHQ.
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Re: NEW: Red October HQ Quality Settings
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2018, 03:50:18 pm »

Understood, thanks
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Re: NEW: Red October HQ Quality Settings
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2018, 01:27:14 am »

where can i see if and how these settings have changed?
I have looked in the plugin madvr profiles and they have a date of the 10-11-18
should these not change if I change the settings?
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Re: NEW: Red October HQ Quality Settings
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2018, 09:44:04 am »

Very nice, thanks. Could you add a check-mark next to the selected level so that we'd know which one is active (and that it's indeed, active).
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Re: NEW: Red October HQ Quality Settings
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2018, 05:46:49 pm »

Might be an idea to get rid of RO standard or hq and just go with quality presets
Example
RO performance
RO balanced/performance
RO balanced/high quality
RO high quality
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Re: NEW: Red October HQ Quality Settings
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2019, 03:39:20 pm »

Is there any major difference in performance between similar GPUs from AMD and NVIDA when it comes to "red october" or new vs old?
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Re: NEW: Red October HQ Quality Settings
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2019, 05:14:26 pm »

Is there any major difference in performance between similar GPUs from AMD and NVIDA when it comes to "red october" or new vs old?
Your question isn't clear.
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Re: NEW: Red October HQ Quality Settings
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2019, 07:03:49 am »

Your question isn't clear.

Lets say you have a AMD card that gives 100 fps in a game at a given setting, and a NVIDIA-card that gives the same fps at the same setting, thus having roughly the same gaming performance (and probably price), will they also perform pretty similar in red october, or is one of them a lot better, because of how madVR is optimized, or some other differences in architecture? And also the same with the age of the card, lets say a low end new card, vs a high end old, which perform about the same in games, will there be a large differences in red october, or should it be similar?

The reason i ask is that gaming benchmarks are easy to find, so i wondered how representative they are of the performance in red ocotober.
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Re: NEW: Red October HQ Quality Settings
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2019, 08:20:44 am »

I've read and seen users tend to favor Nvidia GPUs over AMD GPUs when it comes to video. I guess it depends on your needs and requirements.
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Re: NEW: Red October HQ Quality Settings
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2019, 05:28:26 am »

None of the RO presets use madVR's advanced scalers (known as "NGU"). Nvidia cards are preferred for these, but the RO presets should work fine with either brand.
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Re: NEW: Red October HQ Quality Settings
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2019, 02:11:34 am »

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