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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #50 on: December 08, 2020, 08:29:26 am »

DisplayPort is only video.
On the M1? The standard is capable of carrying audio.
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #51 on: December 08, 2020, 09:25:49 am »

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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #52 on: December 08, 2020, 09:37:32 am »

Displayport:
The DAC needs a driver but I have not seen a DAC with this.

My LG PC monitor is connected via DisplayPort to NVIDIA Graphics Card with in build speaker (SQ is bad - I don't use it) and receives the audio signal through Displayport.
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #53 on: December 08, 2020, 10:40:10 am »

First crack (at the silicon Mac native benchmark)...
Code: [Select]
=== Running Benchmarks (please do not interrupt) ===

Running 'Math' benchmark...
    Single-threaded integer math... 1.908 seconds
    Single-threaded floating point math... 2.658 seconds
    Multi-threaded integer math... 0.621 seconds
    Multi-threaded mixed math... 0.919 seconds
Score: 3112

Running 'Image' benchmark...
    Image creation / destruction... 0.405 seconds
    Flood filling... 0.684 seconds
    Direct copying... 0.196 seconds
    Small renders... 0.499 seconds
    Bilinear rendering... 0.504 seconds
    Bicubic rendering... 0.079 seconds
Score: 9295

Running 'Database' benchmark...
    Create database... 0.048 seconds
    Populate database... 0.739 seconds
    Save database... 0.330 seconds
    Reload database... 0.137 seconds
    Search database... 0.598 seconds
    Sort database... 0.461 seconds
    Group database... 0.460 seconds
Score: 7750

JRMark (version 27.0.37 64 bit): 6719
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #54 on: December 09, 2020, 11:45:44 am »

Apple hardly ever discounts their computers, yet Costco has the mini at 30% off.

Only the 8GB RAM models tho.  :(
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #55 on: December 09, 2020, 11:46:44 am »

You're correct.  Sorry.  I've never seen anyone use it for audio.

You corrected it, but yes, DisplayPort definitely carries audio. And we use that feature extensively in our conference rooms, I'll note.

Modern DisplayPort does use different signaling than HDMI, however. And that is one reason that cheap USB-C > HDMI adapters don't work well in many instances. If you watch what is actually happening with many of the cheap ones, they switch back and forth between HDMI audio and DisplayPort audio modes in a cyclical fashion. Most TVs just ignore this when it happens, but it confuses the living heck out of our matrix switchers and room control systems, and they end up stuttering or dropping audio entirely.

The nicer Apple USB-C > HDMI adapters and the Anker ones work correctly. But a bunch of the other ~$20 ones on Amazon do not (even name brands).
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #56 on: December 09, 2020, 11:26:16 pm »

I have a new Mac Mini on the way.

I'm trying to find limitations of JRiver MC for Mac that will need solutions. Is there any way to play online content or measurement apps through JRiver DSP in similar fashion to using to the WDM driver in the Windows version?

Is it possible to upgrade my recent 26-27 Windows upgrade to a Master License? I know, I should have done it then but I was not tempted by the new Macs at the time.

Using my new Mini now. Just need a master license upgrade from the Windows 27 upgrade I just bought if that's possible without having to buy the full price master upgrade.

I also would like to know: Is there any way to play online content or measurement apps through JRiver DSP on a Mac in similar fashion to using to the WDM driver in the Windows version?
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #57 on: December 10, 2020, 03:04:49 am »

I also would like to know: Is there any way to play online content or measurement apps through JRiver DSP on a Mac in similar fashion to using to the WDM driver in the Windows version?

Nope, afraid not.
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #58 on: December 10, 2020, 11:19:31 am »

First crack (at the silicon Mac native benchmark)...
Code: [Select]
=== Running Benchmarks (please do not interrupt) ===

Running 'Math' benchmark...
    Single-threaded integer math... 1.908 seconds
    Single-threaded floating point math... 2.658 seconds
    Multi-threaded integer math... 0.621 seconds
    Multi-threaded mixed math... 0.919 seconds
Score: 3112

Running 'Image' benchmark...
    Image creation / destruction... 0.405 seconds
    Flood filling... 0.684 seconds
    Direct copying... 0.196 seconds
    Small renders... 0.499 seconds
    Bilinear rendering... 0.504 seconds
    Bicubic rendering... 0.079 seconds
Score: 9295

Running 'Database' benchmark...
    Create database... 0.048 seconds
    Populate database... 0.739 seconds
    Save database... 0.330 seconds
    Reload database... 0.137 seconds
    Search database... 0.598 seconds
    Sort database... 0.461 seconds
    Group database... 0.460 seconds
Score: 7750

JRMark (version 27.0.37 64 bit): 6719

A native version for the M1 is being worked?
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #59 on: December 10, 2020, 03:31:22 pm »

A native version for the M1 is being worked?
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #60 on: December 10, 2020, 05:29:49 pm »

First crack (at the silicon Mac native benchmark)...
Code: [Select]
=== Running Benchmarks (please do not interrupt) ===

Running 'Math' benchmark...
    Single-threaded integer math... 1.908 seconds
    Single-threaded floating point math... 2.658 seconds
    Multi-threaded integer math... 0.621 seconds
    Multi-threaded mixed math... 0.919 seconds
Score: 3112

Running 'Image' benchmark...
    Image creation / destruction... 0.405 seconds
    Flood filling... 0.684 seconds
    Direct copying... 0.196 seconds
    Small renders... 0.499 seconds
    Bilinear rendering... 0.504 seconds
    Bicubic rendering... 0.079 seconds
Score: 9295

Running 'Database' benchmark...
    Create database... 0.048 seconds
    Populate database... 0.739 seconds
    Save database... 0.330 seconds
    Reload database... 0.137 seconds
    Search database... 0.598 seconds
    Sort database... 0.461 seconds
    Group database... 0.460 seconds
Score: 7750

JRMark (version 27.0.37 64 bit): 6719

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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #61 on: December 11, 2020, 07:19:28 am »

Yes

Awesome! Thank you to all involved.

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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #62 on: December 11, 2020, 08:49:06 am »

I have to give it to Apple, I was completely wrong with my prediction.

Not only is the performance of x86-64 Intel apps running in Rosetta 2 on M1-based Macs extremely decent, the native performance of the M1 is also incredibly impressive. I'm glad I was wrong too, and I hope Microsoft is paying attention, Apple just showed the tech world how to transition from Intel x86-64 to ARM the right way. The most exciting part to see from my point of view is the Rosetta 2 compatibility layer allowing x86-64 apps to run on Apple Silicon (ARM) which ironically is still pretty abysmal with Windows 10 on ARM - they only have 32-bit apps working with support for 64-bit apps literally just landing in the Insider Preview channel a day or so ago. They've got a lot of catching up to do, in my opinion.

I gotta hand it to JRiver too, looks like they supported arm64 (with MC for Linux) at the right time, allowing the transition to Apple Silicon to (hopefully) be smooth and relatively easy.
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #63 on: December 11, 2020, 09:39:57 pm »

Is there any way to play online content or measurement (and other) apps through JRiver DSP on a Mac in similar fashion to using to the WDM driver in the Windows version?

Nope, afraid not.

Hmmm....any chance this is on the "to do" list? Lots of streaming services being watched now.
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #64 on: December 12, 2020, 07:16:24 am »

I'm not JRiver (nor do I work for them) but if I recall correctly, it's not an easy thing to do on macOS. With Linux it's probably possible with ALSA, but if it were to ever happen and I had to guess, it may not happen anytime soon.
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #65 on: December 12, 2020, 06:54:16 pm »

I'm not JRiver (nor do I work for them) but if I recall correctly, it's not an easy thing to do on macOS. With Linux it's probably possible with ALSA, but if it were to ever happen and I had to guess, it may not happen anytime soon.

I believe I can build a Mac DSP solution that any app can play through. I did hit a hard road block....the control software and driver for my MOTU 16A is not yet released for Big Sur. In the mean time, I'll work to reconstruct my JRiver Windows DSP in the Mac Version. It looks like JRiver supports VSTs in the Mac version, not AU (Audio Unit) plugins.
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #66 on: December 14, 2020, 01:52:01 pm »

Just installed JRiver on my Mac mini M1 (16GB RAM) with Rosetta 2.
JRiver is working fine, however I notice that the memory is not released.

Windows 10 Memory:
JRiver started : 80 MB
JRiver playing Audio PCM file : up to 300 MB
Music stop : back to 80 MB
Exit JRiver : Process stop

Mac mini M1Memory:
JRiver started : 380 MB
JRiver playing Audio PCM file : 750 MB
Music stop : still more than 600 MB
Exit JRiver : still more than 600 MB
I have to kill the process manually.

This is my first Apple product, it would be interesting to compare with a Mac with Intel processor.
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #67 on: December 14, 2020, 01:56:07 pm »

Memory usage may be high in the beginning.  MC is building thumbnails, analyzing audio, etc.  It should drop after a while.
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #68 on: December 14, 2020, 01:56:50 pm »

Also you could try the build I just posted which will run natively.
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #69 on: December 14, 2020, 02:52:53 pm »

Just tried the new BETA load.

Mac mini M1 Memory:
JRiver started : 350 MB
JRiver playing Audio PCM file : 480 MB
Music stop : back to 350 MB
Exit JRiver (CMD Q): process is still there using 350 MB.
I have to kill the process manually.

The problem is not that it takes more memory than the Windows 10 version, it is that the memory is not release when JRiver is closed.
Just to be clear, I am not complaining, I give you information to help the development.
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #70 on: December 14, 2020, 03:19:18 pm »

Additional information :
The process is stopped and Memory released only when the Media Server is closed.
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #71 on: December 14, 2020, 03:27:30 pm »

Additional information :
The process is stopped and Memory released only when the Media Server is closed.
That makes sense, in your use case Media Server is really where all of the work is being done.
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #72 on: December 14, 2020, 03:31:58 pm »

That makes sense, in your use case Media Server is really where all of the work is being done.
Great. Thanks for the feedback.
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #73 on: December 14, 2020, 06:00:50 pm »

I'm not JRiver (nor do I work for them) but if I recall correctly, it's not an easy thing to do on macOS. With Linux it's probably possible with ALSA, but if it were to ever happen and I had to guess, it may not happen anytime soon.

"Loopback" from "Rogue Amoeba" is working well. Maybe it's easier just to make "inputs" to JRiver that audio can routed to from another source, into JRiver DSP and out normally.
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #74 on: December 15, 2020, 09:13:54 am »

I will start testing the beta.

Amazed at the availability of a native version.

Thank You ! So happy I recently upgraded my JRiver license.

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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #75 on: December 15, 2020, 09:34:00 am »

I will start testing the beta.

Amazed at the availability of a native version.

Thank You ! So happy I recently upgraded my JRiver license.
We were able to leverage our experience creating ARM builds for linux into this project.
Let us know what you find!
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #76 on: December 16, 2020, 02:28:56 am »

Just grabbed a copy of 27.0.44. Will give it a work out soon on my M1 mini.
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #77 on: December 16, 2020, 07:13:23 am »

We were able to leverage our experience creating ARM builds for linux into this project.
Let us know what you find!

it works well. Edit - I forgot to mention I tried with and without hardware acceleration on and my best results were with it on

I have the M1MM hooked up like a desktop right now because it didn't do anything other than 48KHz last time it was parked in the home theater rack. So I was testing today with actual AirPods on and the computer has a monitor, keyboard, mouse type stuff.

I watched plenty from my library today and it's working.

I have to thank you so much for the speed in which a new version came with support for the M1 Architecture. When I recently upgraded my JRiver account I was unsure it would still work on my unsupported 2010 MM. It did (I used the 2010 as a audios only server)

Edit 2 - Now listening to 24/96 Audio. Hooked up Draonfly black and it's registering correct sample rate. Stereo HR sounds great using Bose QC20. This makes me feel much better about life.
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #78 on: December 16, 2020, 08:12:29 am »

My M1 would not output anything other than 48Khz to my system.

I suppose patience is in order but for now I put the Mac mini to use as my new personal computer and I"m about to put my 2010  Mac mini back in use as a music only server. I don't have another machine that outputs 96Hz 5.1.

(I guess my BDP would but I would have to turn on the projector to navigate Blu Ray menus that are all different then turn it off again to avoid the fan noise.)

I'm loving the Mac mini but until I can get Hi Res audio from it, it's just going to be my daily computer. I was very wrong about it's capabilities for now.

-Brian


Hi Brian,

i had (have) a similar problem with my basic M1-Mac Mini.

In my case Audio Hijack would not record other than 48kHz, in spite Audio-MIDI-Setup was at the correct rate.

Some experiments later i found out that disconnecting my HDMI monitor did the trick. As soon as HDMI in any form is connected to the Mini, only 48kHz is possible. Even a HDMI dongle (for headless usage of the Mini) makes it impossible to record at rates other than 48kHz.

I could imagine you have a HDMI monitor connected, too?

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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #79 on: December 16, 2020, 09:25:42 am »

yes I was using HDMI.

Seems I need a dongle of some sort ... Very Apple

I wouldn't know a thunderbolt cable if I was hit by one.

As I said above 96KHz is no problem with my DragonFly even with an HDMI monitor hooked up.

This makes me wonder if I could get 96KHz out of HDMI if I had no monitor connected downstream. I may test that if I can setup a different monitor or use my iPad with sidecar.

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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #80 on: December 16, 2020, 10:28:47 am »

After unplugging my HDMI and starting my record with the corect sample rate, i can replug the monitor. Then all is running well until i stop and restart recording.

If i use screen sharing without any HDMI involved, it is doing well, too.

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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #81 on: December 19, 2020, 08:01:22 am »

I’m going to pick up a usb c to hdmi adapter to see if I can get more sample rate options for audio.
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #82 on: December 19, 2020, 09:08:12 am »

Has anybody tested video capabilities with the new M1 chip?
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #83 on: December 21, 2020, 12:13:09 am »

M1 with Current Native Build Benchmark:

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=== Running Benchmarks (please do not interrupt) ===

Running 'Math' benchmark...
    Single-threaded integer math... 1.900 seconds
    Single-threaded floating point math... 2.662 seconds
    Multi-threaded integer math... 0.620 seconds
    Multi-threaded mixed math... 0.920 seconds
Score: 3113

Running 'Image' benchmark...
    Image creation / destruction... 0.454 seconds
    Flood filling... 0.689 seconds
    Direct copying... 0.220 seconds
    Small renders... 0.503 seconds
    Bilinear rendering... 0.508 seconds
    Bicubic rendering... 0.080 seconds
Score: 8965

Running 'Database' benchmark...
    Create database... 0.051 seconds
    Populate database... 0.710 seconds
    Save database... 0.489 seconds
    Reload database... 0.136 seconds
    Search database... 0.587 seconds
    Sort database... 0.541 seconds
    Group database... 0.470 seconds
Score: 7201

JRMark (version 27.0.44 64 bit): 6427
JRMark (version 27.0.44 64 bit): 6427

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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #84 on: December 22, 2020, 04:27:20 am »

Using version 44 and enjoying it.

I have my Mac mini set up like a desktop computer for now. I recently bought a 4K computer monitor.

I will try to set this computer up in the theater again eventually but for now it's working great with headphones.

Watching so many things and it's not missing a beat.

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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #85 on: January 12, 2021, 06:13:32 am »

Today I'm going to rebuild my 2010 (intel obviously) Mac mini music server.

The lack of surround sound 24/96 playback from my 2020 M1 Mac mini has encouraged me to keep my 2010 MM as a dedicated music server using JRiver of course.

I have a particular need for a music only server that can operate without a display (aside from it's remote) because I use a projector for my display and it makes fan noises when in use.

I love the high res surround mixes I have from Pink Floyd and trying to access them from blu rays directly without turning on the PJ for navigation is for the birds. Also, my Panasonic UB420 claims to support HR Audio but it is very un-usable for that.

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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #86 on: January 12, 2021, 09:44:40 am »

Today I'm going to rebuild my 2010 (intel obviously) Mac mini music server.

The lack of surround sound 24/96 playback from my 2020 M1 Mac mini has encouraged me to keep my 2010 MM as a dedicated music server using JRiver of course.

I have a particular need for a music only server that can operate without a display (aside from it's remote) because I use a projector for my display and it makes fan noises when in use.

I love the high res surround mixes I have from Pink Floyd and trying to access them from blu rays directly without turning on the PJ for navigation is for the birds. Also, my Panasonic UB420 claims to support HR Audio but it is very un-usable for that.

=Brian
I'm hoping Apple gets enough feedback on the audio issues on the M1 Mini that they decide to fix some of them (assuming the chipset can handle it).
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #87 on: January 12, 2021, 11:08:38 am »

Have to say, all went well putting my old system back into play.

I'm happy though to have easy access to my high res audio again! !!

All is well that ends well.


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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #88 on: February 10, 2021, 11:07:03 am »

They did correct one of the major shortcomings to the new Mac Mini.

One thing I had hoped it would do is stream iTunes 4K content and now it does so they corrected one of the slip ups.

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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #89 on: February 12, 2021, 04:24:59 am »

M1 with Current Native Build Benchmark:

JRMark (version 27.0.44 64 bit): 6427



As a comparison, my late 2020 iMac (with Intel) is only 4560
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #90 on: February 24, 2021, 10:32:23 am »

Is 8GB enough memory to support JRiver on the M1 Mac Mini?
I don’t expect to be running many other applications if I use one as a HTPC.
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #91 on: February 24, 2021, 11:41:42 am »

I'm using an M1 Mac Mini with 8GB RAM as a daily driver computer, with a library of 80k+ files with album art, two tabs of view, one recent album and the other every song in the library in an album artist list view. Despite all this, MC27 rarely uses more than 1GB of memory on its own. For your use you'll have plenty of headroom.
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #92 on: February 28, 2021, 06:03:01 pm »

Will the Mac Mini record TB programs with an HDHomerun? I read some information in the TV tuner section that implied a DMS tuner can only be used for viewing live programming.
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #93 on: March 01, 2021, 09:20:08 am »

Will the Mac Mini record TB programs with an HDHomerun? I read some information in the TV tuner section that implied a DMS tuner can only be used for viewing live programming.
Yes it will. I've used it on my Mac to record concerts with a HDHomerun.
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #94 on: March 01, 2021, 06:07:19 pm »

I'm using an M1 Mac Mini with 8GB RAM as a daily driver computer, with a library of 80k+ files with album art, two tabs of view, one recent album and the other every song in the library in an album artist list view. Despite all this, MC27 rarely uses more than 1GB of memory on its own. For your use you'll have plenty of headroom.

This guy uses the base Mini for editing video with no troubles.   

https://youtu.be/s9atVwHpoWk

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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #95 on: March 09, 2021, 07:02:57 pm »

I just took possession of a new base Mac Mini M1 (8G/256G)  I cannot get it to pass sound over HDMI and I don't want to use USB since the processor I use is older and doesn't have usb.  I do video as well so I really need HDMI.  I get a warning that says my down stream hardware won't accept 48k 2 channel.  Of course, Apple's Music program and VLC work perfectly.  VLC does both audio and Video and Music only does Audio.  MC 27, the latest build, looks and acts fine but it gives an error message for sound.  If I play a Movie via mkv, the picture is fine but there is no sound.

I can only assume the problem lies with MC27 since VLC does everything fine.  The good news is that this is a second level system so I don't need the highest in sonic performance, but I would prefer to stick with JRiver.  Will there be a fix or do I need to find another program which works with the new mini?
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #96 on: March 09, 2021, 07:10:30 pm »

I just took possession of a new base Mac Mini M1 (8G/256G)  I cannot get it to pass sound over HDMI and I don't want to use USB since the processor I use is older and doesn't have usb.  I do video as well so I really need HDMI.  I get a warning that says my down stream hardware won't accept 48k 2 channel.  Of course, Apple's Music program and VLC work perfectly.  VLC does both audio and Video and Music only does Audio.  MC 27, the latest build, looks and acts fine but it gives an error message for sound.  If I play a Movie via mkv, the picture is fine but there is no sound.

I can only assume the problem lies with MC27 since VLC does everything fine.  The good news is that this is a second level system so I don't need the highest in sonic performance, but I would prefer to stick with JRiver.  Will there be a fix or do I need to find another program which works with the new mini?
There are some M1 problems.  Try reading other threads here, starting with this one:

https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,128318.0.html
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #97 on: March 10, 2021, 02:24:41 am »

Yep, I'd say Jim has the right idea here. The problem isn't a JRiver Media Center problem at all, but a hardware limitation with the M1 Apple Silicon SoC with HDMI. The M1 is limited to and can only output 48 kHz via HDMI, so all other sample rates need to be be resampled to 48 kHz for it to work correctly. VLC and Apple Music works because the system is automatically doing the resampling in the background without informing the user (you in this case). It looks like it's a limitation of the M1's chipset, and hopefully it's something that Apple addresses with the M2. But since your downstream hardware doesn't appear to support 48 kHz, you're at a bit of an impasse here.

Usually to workaround the issue you have to resample everything to 48 kHz by going to DSP Studio > Output Format > Sample rate and setting all sample rates to 48,000 Hz. However, if your downstream hardware doesn't support 48 kHz and it has no option to resample on its end, unfortunately adding something like a USB DAC is likely the best option.
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #98 on: March 10, 2021, 04:56:43 am »

I'm curious if an JRiver ID or Raspi would work as a client (to the M1 w/MC) with HDMI output with less $$$ than a DAC.
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #99 on: March 10, 2021, 12:57:37 pm »

I'm curious if an JRiver ID or Raspi would work as a client (to the M1 w/MC) with HDMI output with less $$$ than a DAC.
Do you mean the Id as a Renderer (playing to it)?

If so, it depends what you're playing and what the Id is connected to as a playback device.
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