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[jmone]

Well that is very interesting.  The data centre has much higher bandwidth of course, but my 50Mb/s home connection should be plenty for any of these clips, and they all work fine from Australian based clients.  I guess it could be congestion/throttling on residential connections out of Oz Vs their T1 connection ... or something else (thinking thinking).

[jmone]

I just noticed MC serving a file to "red.jriver.com" - Jim was that you?

[dtc]

I have Comcast as my Internet provider in the US. My download speed is 120 Mbps, but upload is around 5 Mbps.  That is pretty common for Comcast users. You need a Gigabit download plan to get above 10 Mbps upload.  I am not sure this Share feature will work well at those upload speeds. Comcast is the largest cable provider in the US.

[JimH]

I just noticed MC serving a file to "red.jriver.com" - Jim was that you?

Yes, but my office has a wi-fi link so it didn't stream without pausing.

[JimH]

The nominal speeds aren't reliable.  Try running an Internet speed test a few times.

I have a pretty slow connection at home because it's enough for me.  But when I run the speed test, I get results that vary a lot.  I think it's the girls at the end of the street watching movies in their rooms.

[jmone]

I think this is a great feature as Upload Speeds are only going to increase with time and with it the need to host stuff on 3rd party servers will diminish. 

[dtc]

The nominal speeds aren't reliable.  Try running an Internet speed test a few times.

I have a pretty slow connection at home because it's enough for me.  But when I run the speed test, I get results that vary a lot.  I think it's the girls at the end of the street watching movies in their rooms.

The speeds I am discussing are measured speeds.  There are pretty consistent at 120 Mbps down and 5 Mbps up, versus Comcast's stated 100 and 5 Mbps.  That is the nature of Comcast service, partially because their final service to the home is still mostly copper, not fiber.  I really do not see a great jump in upload speed from Comcast in the near future. It is just not a priority for them.  Verizon designed their system to deliver good upload and download speeds, but Comcast is just not there at this time.  And they have little incentive to upgrade that speed with their existing systems, as they concentrate on deploying 5G to the home.

[jmone]

Mine is very consistently 930 / 47 Mb/s  (when I don't break things  ) .... I'm thinking that I'd be better off with a more symmetrical connection, but for us these plans cost a fair bit more (eg 500/100 or 200/200) 

[wer]

I feel for you guys... I really do.   



It's actually difficult to find test servers that have adequate bandwidth.

[jmone]

No one likes you  !!!!

1G symmetrical here in Oz would be the better part of US$1K pm. 

[JimH]

Who cares?

[zybex]

Nice photoshop skillz, Wer 

/crying slowly at 25Mbps

[jmone]

Did some testing of Share / Unshare function
- Each time you "Share" you get a new link, but all links works
- Unshare / Uncheck the "Shared" Tick box stops the links from working
- Checking the "Shared" / Sharing will turn sharing back on and all the links works

Any thoughts on this behaviour?  I'm in 2 minds as:
- You could end up with multiple links to the same file
- Once shared, the links will always work if sharing is on.  You can't "clear" or forget the links.  This stops you from changing who can see an item.   Eg I might have a video I've sent a Share Link to both my Family and Friends, but at some point I may only my Family to see it.  At present there is no way to do this, as if I generate a new link for the Family, the Old one will still work.

[zybex]

Yes, that is by design. The unencrypted share link for a given file is always the same, but each time it's generated there's a seed/timestamp added which completely changes the encrypted string, so each time the link looks different but the embedded info is the same. All links work because when decrypted they point to the same FileKey.

To have different links go to different people, and to be able to invalidate each one individually would require all generated links to be tracked in the DB (with a friendly name) so that you could invalidate each one individually. That's doable but not very nice. Another way would be to create a lists of accounts/passwords, and track the list of items shared with each account; remote users would need to login to see the shared file(s).

I think the best way forward would be to add the concept of Shared Playlist. That way, you would:
- create a playlist for each person/family/group you wish to share
- get a Share URL for the playlist itself
- add/remove files from the playlist whenever you wish without having to explicitly share each file

Accessing the Playlist shared URL would display Panel, with just that playlist visible.

[wer]

I think the best way forward would be to add the concept of Shared Playlist...

Brilliant!  If only someone had thought of that before... 

It seems to me that if you have a single playlist or smartlist named "Public" it will be shared...

[zybex]

Well, if you're pulling credits for discarded ideas you'll need to read the 2 posts above that one, where I also mentioned sharing playlists. A full 12 minutes before you did 

What about sharing playlists instead of files? We could have different playlists for different people, different credentials/key per playlist, etc. Seems more practical than distinct libraries. This could work for any generic playlist, or you could add a special Playlists\Shared section in the tree. Playlist Groups could also be used to share a group of playlists to the same person.

[wer]

See, you agree! It's brilliant every time someone says it! 

[zybex]

Indeed. Jim also agreed ("we need both"), so hopefully this is just a matter of time. Baby steps!

[jmone]

...another great feature is you can use "Notes" to keep track of who you shared an item with.... including a Clickable URL!  Nice.  So If I ever need to reset the links I have a record of what posts or people I need to update.