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[JimH]

There's a lot of discussion going on about safety, etc.  How do you feel?

All votes are anonymous.  Replies aren't.

Thanks.

[Wheaten]

Well, not sure if there is much freedom to choose, if you belong to a risk group.
Either take an educated guess with the vaccine on safety, or get infected and sleep 2 weeks on your belly at the IC, with a chance the stay is permanent.
So far Pfizer doesn't reveal much side effects.

Fingers crossed.

Should add a 2nd poll, which vaccine:

• Pfizer-BioNTech
• Moderna
• Johnson & Johnson’s
• Janssen
• Sputnik V
• Sinovac
• Astrazeneca

We're catching up:

[DJLegba]

Should add a 2nd poll, which vaccin:
Pfizer-BioNTech
Moderna
Johnson & Johnson’s-Janssen
Sputnik V
Sinovac

You'll need to add a few more in that case:
Astrazeneca x 2
Astrazenca + mRNA
mRNA mix

Canadians have been advised to take the first available vaccination, whatever it might be. Then we stopped using Astrazeneca. My first shot was Pfizer, and I booked an appointment for a second shot of Pfizer, but when I showed up I was told it would be Moderna. The situation was exacerbated when already low levels of the Pfizer supply were reserved for those under 18 as it's the only one currently approved (in Canada) for that age group. In any event, I'm grateful that I have received two doses - and that the uptake in Ontario is very high (over 85% of adults have had at least one dose and over 65% of adults are fully vaccinated).

[Dawgincontrol]

My wife is a healthcare professional and tested positive for Covid early on (as we expected would happen).  I didn't catch it. A family member suspected, because we never get the flu, that I may have immunity.  So, I went and had the antibody test which showed I had T-cell immunity.  I have 6 brothers who found when they took the test, have the same, as do my three sons.  All but one brother took the test.

There is zero reason for me to get the vaccine.  I have natural immunity.  I am not alone in the world, there are many others.  That's why the percentage of who has received the vaccine is a false statistic. 

I believe the first thing one should do is take the antibody test and then proceed from there on what they consider the best route for them; rather they vax or not.  This isn't a one size fits all and the world will be cured, as the narrative goes  So, saying that, I really don't fall under your poll choices.

[JimH]

The AMA apparently can't agree with "natural immunity" yet.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/meetingcoverage/ama/93179

Note what was said about the type of test needed.  (titer)

The likelihood of an entire family having such immunity seems improbable to me.  Interesting story though.

[Dawgincontrol]

The AMA apparently can't agree with "natural immunity" yet.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/meetingcoverage/ama/93179

Note what was said about the type of test needed.  (titer)

The likelihood of an entire family having such immunity seems improbable to me.  Interesting story though.

It evidently is hereditary.  The AMA isn't sure of a lot of things in relation to this.  I have read articles saying that the vaccination may actually hinder natural immunity.  I don't know.  Things are all over the place.  If you try to do any research it's difficult with conflicting data.  I'm a believer in trying to do due diligence and make the best decision you can.  I'm not criticizing folks either way.

Reference genetics and T-Cell.  https://health.ucsd.edu/news/releases/Pages/2021-02-18-genetics-may-play-role-in-determining-immunity-to-covid-19.aspx

[JimH]

Certainly possible and I agree about the problem finding information.  You can pretty much find whatever you want.

[Wheaten]

Indeed, Last week I found a pike on the top of a hill

[avpman]

My wife is a healthcare professional and tested positive for Covid early on (as we expected would happen).  I didn't catch it. A family member suspected, because we never get the flu, that I may have immunity.  So, I went and had the antibody test which showed I had T-cell immunity.  I have 6 brothers who found when they took the test, have the same, as do my three sons.  All but one brother took the test.

There is zero reason for me to get the vaccine.  I have natural immunity.  I am not alone in the world, there are many others.  That's why the percentage of who has received the vaccine is a false statistic. 

I believe the first thing one should do is take the antibody test and then proceed from there on what they consider the best route for them; rather they vax or not.  This isn't a one size fits all and the world will be cured, as the narrative goes  So, saying that, I really don't fall under your poll choices.

You can be immune and/or asymptomatic and still be a carrier - infecting other people. At least protect others from yourself by wearing a mask until the pandemic abates.

[EnglishTiger]

Jim - There's a category missing from the poll - Can't be Vaccinated for Medical Reasons

[michael123]

Some in the risk group have 3 shots.

Soon to be added Pfizer V2021 and/or booster

Vaccinated people sadly transmit the delta as well, and have symptoms. It did fine against first variants though

I don't believe the world will soon look like it did in 2019

[avpman]

The AMA apparently can't agree with "natural immunity" yet.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/meetingcoverage/ama/93179

Note what was said about the type of test needed.  (titer)

The likelihood of an entire family having such immunity seems improbable to me.  Interesting story though.

👍👍👍

[davelr]

You can be immune and/or asymptomatic and still be a carrier - infecting other people. At least protect others from yourself by wearing a mask until the pandemic abates.

This is probably the most important point. This isn't over by a long shot and wearing masks is simple and easy.

[michael123]

The most dangerous threat from these anti-vaccine crowd is the cultivation of new variants. Pfizer and other vaccines works well only against known variants to the time of their development

[comox]

The most dangerous threat from these anti-vaccine crowd is the cultivation of new variants. Pfizer and other vaccines works well only against known variants to the time of their development

It is likely that the variants are originating from vaccinated people. Recall that the variants began to emerge after we started vaccinating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNyAovuUxro
 

[dtc]

It is likely that the variants are originating from vaccinated people. Recall that the variants began to emerge after we started vaccinating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNyAovuUxro

Quite likely not true. The Delta variant gained its major foothold in India in late 2020, where little vaccination had occurred. There were many variants before vaccinations were started. Variants are not a result of vaccinations. They are a natural part of the evolution of viruses.

[Awesome Donkey]

They are a natural part of the evolution of viruses.

Exactly. Viruses are constantly mutating and evolving.

[dtc]

The most dangerous threat from these anti-vaccine crowd is the cultivation of new variants. Pfizer and other vaccines works well only against known variants to the time of their development

Although not guarantied, many vaccines are effective against new variants. The RNA vaccines in particular have proved very effective against new variants like Delta. A new study shows that Pfizer is 93% effective against Delta when both shots have been administered.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891

[michael123]

Although not guarantied, many vaccines are effective against new variants. The RNA vaccines in particular have proved very effective against new variants like Delta. A new study shows that Pfizer is 93% effective against Delta when both shots have been administered.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891

Effectivity is around 40%, this is what Dept of Health released recently

You can see what happens in Israel with over 70% vaccination. No massive deaths, but people get sick.

[comox]

Effectiveness of vaccine is falling 10-20% per month in Israel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNbs4LCgrcY

[dtc]

Effectivity is around 40%, this is what Dept of Health released recently

You can see what happens in Israel with over 70% vaccination. No massive deaths, but people get sick.

The 40% number is for contracting the disease. The 90% numbers are for getting very sick and being hospitalized.

[newsposter]

I'm prepping for a LOT of travel to the 'worst' of the third world in 2022, so here is my program......

09 Apr 2021   COVID 1 of 2

09 May 2021   COVID 2 of 2
10 May 2021   Shingles 1 of 2
24 May 2021   Tdap & Pneumococcal

14 June 2021   TwinRix (Hep A+B) 1 of 3
28 June 2021   MMR 1 of 2

12 July 2021   TwinRix (Hep A+B) 2 of 3

07 Sep 2021   Shingles 2 of 2

01 Nov 2021   COVID 3 (Moderna) if available
15 Nov 2021   Seasonal Flu
15 Nov 2021   MMR 2 of 2

13 Dec 2021   TwinRix (Hep A+B) 3 of 3

And in Jan 2022, the tropical big-6 shots start....

Begin Jan 2022   Meningitis
Begin Jan 2022   Polio
Begin Jan 2022   Yellow Fever
Begin Jan 2022   Cholera
Begin Jan 2022   Typhoid
Begin Jan 2022   Typhus

[michael123]

The 40% number is for contracting the disease. The 90% numbers are for getting very sick and being hospitalized.

In Israel, anti-vaccination movement is weak, people are smart to enough to get vaccinated, now around half of teens over 12 yrs old is vaccinated.

On a larger scale - the rate of delta spread is slowed, but it is still there, and rising (!!), R is around 1.2.
And people die. Yes, vaccinated.

Waiting for the improved vaccine.. What can I say

We were on holiday in Greece, everyone with masks, did not eat inside. I took business class seat to avoid crowds.. And wife contracted this nuts. Fever was low, but headache and weakness for around a week. Not nice. We are fully vaccinated since February

In US CDC does not want to talk about 3rd shot and that the vaccine is effective for just 6 months to motivate people to get vaccinated (and I think this is important because of variants), but the truth is sad. We need to get new shots periodically and I don't know when this will end.

[Hendrik]

And people die. Yes, vaccinated.

Once everyone is vaccinated, only vaccinated people contract it or even die from the virus. Its a fact many forget. Its why they say its 90% effective (or whatever number the different vaccines list), they don't work for every case.
But the numbers will be vastly reduced.

Vaccination against an evolving virus like this one will never be 100%, but by reducing the cases by 90% already, you limit its ability to spread, and you take a lot of pressure off of the health care system.
Vaccination can also simply mean that you have a far lower reaction to getting infected, because your immune system already has an idea what to do about it.

These are all expected results and widely available information. Getting vaccinated doesn't guarantee immunity. But it gives you a significantly better chance to either not get it, or just beat it quickly without problems.

And yes, its very likely that we'll need to re-up after 6-12 months. Maybe once. Maybe more often. I don't see this as a big deal. You go in and get a quick shot. A bit worse for those with severe reactions to the vaccine, but for the majority you get a bit of aching for a day and thats that. What else are you going to do, just not? Nevermind that you either have to get constantly tested or just be excluded from much social life, its also risking your own health and that of those around you. Its just the reality how it is, and we can't change it. And noone to blame, except for misinformation and bad handling. Around here they certainly are talking about a potential 3rd shot as soon as october for those that got theirs early.

PS:
Personally, I would have advocated to just not go on international vacations over the last year and a half. Its just a risk not worth taking.

[avpman]

PS:
Personally, I would have advocated to just not go on international vacations over the last year and a half. Its just a risk not worth taking.

Exactly what I did last year and again this year. Just not worth the risk.

[JimH]

So far, the fully vaccinated percentage is 83% and partially or fully is 89%.

According to the NY Times, in the U.S., the corresponding numbers are 60% and 69% for 18 and over.

Significant difference. 

[EnglishTiger]

Exactly. Viruses are constantly mutating and evolving.

True - The Flu Vaccine has to be reformulated nearly every year because the virus keeps mutating.

Over here in the UK the 3rd Vaccine Dose is constantly referred to as a Booster Shot that everyone in the Vulnerable Groups would need to have annually at the same time as the Flu vaccine. They are even carrying out research to see if the 2 vaccines (Covid and Flu) can be merged into a single vaccine.

[michael123]

Once everyone is vaccinated, only vaccinated people contract it or even die from the virus. Its a fact many forget. Its why they say its 90% effective (or whatever number the different vaccines list), they don't work for every case.
But the numbers will be vastly reduced.

Vaccination against an evolving virus like this one will never be 100%, but by reducing the cases by 90% already, you limit its ability to spread, and you take a lot of pressure off of the health care system.
Vaccination can also simply mean that you have a far lower reaction to getting infected, because your immune system already has an idea what to do about it.

These are all expected results and widely available information. Getting vaccinated doesn't guarantee immunity. But it gives you a significantly better chance to either not get it, or just beat it quickly without problems.

And yes, its very likely that we'll need to re-up after 6-12 months. Maybe once. Maybe more often. I don't see this as a big deal. You go in and get a quick shot. A bit worse for those with severe reactions to the vaccine, but for the majority you get a bit of aching for a day and thats that. What else are you going to do, just not? Nevermind that you either have to get constantly tested or just be excluded from much social life, its also risking your own health and that of those around you. Its just the reality how it is, and we can't change it. And noone to blame, except for misinformation and bad handling. Around here they certainly are talking about a potential 3rd shot as soon as october for those that got theirs early.

PS:
Personally, I would have advocated to just not go on international vacations over the last year and a half. Its just a risk not worth taking.

Completely agree. Yet, vacations we were locked for almost 2 years at home..

Yes, it removes the pressure from the health system at large, however you can see on the graphs that total number of infectious is rising, as well as more severe cases including hospitilizing and deaths, however very small numbers yet rising as well.

Wearing masks were canceled and made mandatory again, some restrictions for gathering are back, green passport will be back in 2 weeks (there is small number of anti vaccationation crowd that will be forced to either pay every time for the test to enter a gym or get a shot), red countries list is growing

[michael123]

Israel started vaccination campaign with 3rd shot. Now 60 yrs and older. Didn't wait for FDA

[dtc]

Israel started vaccination campaign with 3rd shot. Now 60 yrs and older. Didn't wait for FDA

Under the current Emergency Use Order in the US, most people cannot get a third vaccine. Pfizer is currently working towards getting approval, but most people will have to wait for that approval before they can get a third shot. Some immunocompromised people are getting a third shot, but have to show that the initial ones are not working as intended. In Israel, they approved a booster shot for those over 65 who got their shots more than  5 months ago. Immunocompromised people can also get a booster.

[avpman]

So far, the fully vaccinated percentage is 83% and partially or fully is 89%.

According to the NY Times, in the U.S., the corresponding numbers are 60% and 69% for 18 and over.

Significant difference.

JH you are correct. While the percentage of the numbers is certainly an indicator of the vaccination rate, there is still the fact that many people will never get vaccinated. I just can't wrap my head around that kind of thinking. 😱

[zybex]

So far, the fully vaccinated percentage is 83% and partially or fully is 89%.

According to the NY Times, in the U.S., the corresponding numbers are 60% and 69% for 18 and over.

Significant difference.

Audiophiles and computer users in general are underrepresented in the unvaccinated population. This is not a representative poll.

[tij]

Audiophiles and computer users in general are underrepresented in the unvaccinated population. This is not a representative poll.

Post covid world will be dominated by audiophils and computer users

[avpman]

Post covid world will be dominated by audiophils and computer users

Haha, he said "underrepresented <as> unvaccinated.." the computer users and audiophiles will be gone.

[dtc]

Haha, he said "underrepresented <as> unvaccinated.." the computer users and audiophiles will be gone.

Nope. Double negative - underrepresented ... unvaccinated, which equates to overrepresented  ... vaccinated.

[avpman]

 

[Wheaten]

Post covid world will be dominated by audiophils and computer users

That will be a miserable world to live in. +6 glasses, pimpels and discussions on every possible bit .........
We also need Penny's in our world.........

[Outlaw Audio]

That will be a miserable world to live in. +6 glasses, pimpels and discussions on every possible bit .........
We also need Penny's in our world.........

++1

[syndromeofadown]

This topic is a strange thing to post on a support forum. Next, a poll can be done about Jan 6. I can see being curious about the survey, but comments aren't a good idea. It's akin to asking what your religious status is. People will generally answer the religion question based on their indoctrination as a child then defend their choice of deity based on emotion. People will generally start commenting on the vax subject based on their indoctrination from mainstream media. No one has posted anything extreme yet but there is mention of passports and antivaxers.

People are free to protect themselves as they see fit. That's what a vax is, personal protection. This is a personal choice and should be kept personal. To demand that someone else needs an injection so that yours will work is immoral, illogical and a violation of human rights. Before condemning or coercing others I hope that people would spend just a little time researching and thinking about:

- The only thing claimed by the companies that are manufacturing the vax's is that they will reduce symptoms mildly. They were never meant to stop infection or the spread.

- the track record of the companies manufacturing the experimental vax's (search largest settlement in history).

- Who is liable for injuries (hint 1986).

- What the inventors of the PCR test and the MRNA vax have to to say about how their inventions are being used.

- Antibody-dependent enhancement.

- The results of all previous animal trials for similar vax's (which were skipped this time).

- Natural immunity. The idea that heard immunity can only be achieved by a vax has been around as long as the current vax. (search for when definitions were changed).

- The largest censorship campaign in online history.

- Patents, and who owns patents, of viruses and vax's.

- Informed consent.

- There is more to health than being virus free: social health, physical health, mental health, and spiritual health to name just a few.

The negative affects of lock downs to people in my life has been a hundred times worse than the virus, and adverse reactions a thousand. I am not trying to trigger anyone or start a debate. Taking experimental substance as a one size fits all solution for the entire planet is not a decision that should be taken lightly. It's not a political issue. If you are gung ho on your vax now, think about the future. How many booster shots until your enthusiasm wanes. Please show some empathy towards others, educate yourself and act rationally.

[tij]

The negative affects of lock downs to people in my life has been a hundred times worse than the virus, and adverse reactions a thousand. I am not trying to trigger anyone or start a debate. Taking experimental substance as a one size fits all solution for the entire planet is not a decision that should be taken lightly. It's not a political issue. If you are gung ho on your vax now, think about the future. How many booster shots until your enthusiasm wanes. Please show some empathy towards others, educate yourself and act rationally.

Agree that everybody is entitled to their opinion. Their body - their choice.

And good debate (without bashing or ridiculing your opponent) imho is always better than alternatives.

Vaccines takes years to develop ... but in this case things have been fast track. There are risks to that especcially since this involves a lot of money and political gains. But covid situation is critical, and alternative to not vaccinating is far greater imho (Italy?).

People tend to focus on current missery without realizing it can be much worst. I am not saying lockdown or side effects of vaccine is easy and ppl just wine about it (it is hard both psychologically and financially). But consider alternative when you are sick and get turn down at hospital because there are no place. And this is not hypothetical ... again Italy? ... when doctors turn down eldery cause their chance of survival is less than younger ppl (i do not pretend even to imagine what doctors have to go through when telling this to eldery).

And dont forget all those doctors, nurses, and staff working at hospitals double time (including admin and  cleaners).

Yes, vaccine is not perfect ... yes, there are risks ... but alternative is grimmer.

Ps. I am from third world country (as Bush puts it - from banana country ... as Trump puts it - from s**t hole) ... i took oral polio vaccine (not much choice at that age lol) ... there is small chance i could have got polio from this (OPV contains live virus), but if i were my parents at that time, i would have make my kids take it ... cause alternative is worst.

Pss. These days ppl take injection polio vaccine (IPV) that contain no live virus.

[avpman]

The negative affects of lock downs to people in my life has been a hundred times worse than the virus, and adverse reactions a thousand. I am not trying to trigger anyone or start a debate. Taking experimental substance as a one size fits all solution for the entire planet is not a decision that should be taken lightly. It's not a political issue. If you are gung ho on your vax now, think about the future. How many booster shots until your enthusiasm wanes. Please show some empathy towards others, educate yourself and act rationally.

A couple of my friends are doctors in one of the state's most prominent hospitals. They told me that not one single person in the ICU infected with Covid has ever said to them "I'm so glad I didn't get that vaccine".

Masks and vaccines (aside from complete self-isolation) are the best protection we have against this worldwide pandemic at the moment. The solutions are not perfect but it beats dying or worse, infecting your fellow unsuspecting human beings. This extraordinary, dangerous pandemic calls for extraordinary measures on our part. Just get the d... vaccine and pray we can finally beat this thing before more people have to die in the process. It's a no brainer...

[michael123]

What we can do with anti-vaccination medical care workers?

In Tel-Aviv Sourasky Center there is only one patient connected to ECMO, and she is unvaccinated doctor!

[avpman]

What we can do with anti-vaccination medical care workers?

In Tel-Aviv Sourasky Center there is only one patient connected to ECMO, and she is unvaccinated doctor!

Mandatory vaccination of healthcare workers, and other major businesses are just beginning to be addressed. Namely, the federal government and a few of the major employers, i.e. Walmart, Disney, etc.

[BigSpider]

When I went to live in Africa for a couple of years I had to show proof of vaccination for about a half dozen fatal diseases or you didn't get to go. I was vaccinated against TB, Smallpox, Polio and a number of other things as a kid and never suffered from any of them. I still remember the little girl across the road who spent her life walking in calipers as a result of the polio virus. I'm pretty tired of people making up reasons to dish the vaccines, generally using the 'I'm scared of the dark' set of arguments. It's a simple choice really, but I agree that you can always choose the more dangerous road.

[michael123]

The world is moving to mandatory vaccination, otherwise we will all live like Bruce Willis in 12 Monkeys

[Richard Martin]

You'll need to add a few more in that case:
Astrazeneca x 2
Astrazenca + mRNA
mRNA mix

and Novavax

[Sky King]

Nonya.  Nonya bidness!  Tell me that I have to be fully vaccinated before I can use JRiver and I will be done.

[Louis]

Never been vaccinated in my life, had the flu and tonsilitis many times in my youth, but found the cause was dairy milk, so cut that out and never had flu or sickness of any kind for the past 55 years, except for the odd cold. Eat little meat, mainly fresh homegrown fruit and veg, low carb, no pharma drugs (except for a tooth extraction) no antibiotics, plenty of exercises in gardening, cycling and hiking, lots of sun, injuries treated with natural remedies herbs, tinctures, poultices and homoeopathy, 1 to 3-week maintenance detox fast a couple of times a year, herbal tea, wine or homebrew IPA beer:) No arthritis or any other degenerative diseases, no aches or pains, eyesight better than in my youth when I had to wear glasses, everything works great, so I'm just keeping to this path.

[michael123]

Nonya.  Nonya bidness!  Tell me that I have to be fully vaccinated before I can use JRiver and I will be done.

JRiver should be excluded from AV 

[Richard Martin]

Never been vaccinated in my life, had the flu and tonsilitis many times in my youth, but found the cause was dairy milk, so cut that out and never had flu or sickness of any kind for the past 55 years, except for the odd cold. Eat little meat, mainly fresh homegrown fruit and veg, low carb, no pharma drugs (except for a tooth extraction) no antibiotics, plenty of exercises in gardening, cycling and hiking, lots of sun, injuries treated with natural remedies herbs, tinctures, poultices and homoeopathy, 1 to 3-week maintenance detox fast a couple of times a year, herbal tea, wine or homebrew IPA beer:) No arthritis or any other degenerative diseases, no aches or pains, eyesight better than in my youth when I had to wear glasses, everything works great, so I'm just keeping to this path.

I'm no medical expert but I'm pretty sure that diary milk doesn't cause flu or tonsillitis.