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[MarkIL]

Just as the title says will JRiver get DSD1024  support any time in the future? Thanks for the reply

[Matt]

Do you have a device that supports it?  Have you found files in that format, or are you hoping for an upsampling in MC?

Thanks.

[MarkIL]

i wish to be able to up sample to DSD1024 JRiver can up-sample to DSD512 With little effort (less than HQPlayer) and as my DAC does DSD1024 it would be nice to be able to take advantage of it.

[JimH]

Why do you believe it's any better than DSD?

[Matt]

It's just a higher sample rate DSD.

[kr4]

It's just a higher sample rate DSD.

Too much is never enough. 

[JimH]

It's just a higher sample rate DSD.

Yeah, I could have guessed, but why? 

I find the doubling and doubling ridiculous.  I don't believe there's anything to be gained.

[JimH]

Matt and I discussed this request.  We don't see the point. 

We like working on important things that we understand.

Feel free to educate us if you understand the science.

[Awesome Donkey]

It'd certainly help if there was more DACs that supported it and actual music you can purchase and download in the format. You'll have trouble finding material above DSD64 or more rarely DSD128 where DSD downloads are sold. It's also pointless to convert PCM to a DSD rate this big; you're not gaining anything doing so and the conversion from PCM to DSD is lossy. You also have to keep in mind, this wouldn't work with DoP unless the DAC has a PCM sample rate high enough which I'm not aware of a single one that does. This would also mean that it wouldn't work on macOS, which DoP is the only way to playback DSD on that platform.

I'm sure DSD2048 is right around the corner.

[dtc]

DoP was developed because, without it, MACs had no way to play DSD. With DoP they could at least play DSD64 and DSD128.

Interestingly, Native DSD is not actually transmitted at the native frequency.  Native DSD just packs DSD into a different format than DoP, notably a 32 bit format, compared to DoP's 16 bit format. So, Native DSD allows twice the sample rate to be transmitted at a given sample rate compared to DoP.  Unfortunately, most drivers do not understand that 32 bit format but ASIO does. So, ASIO is used for Native DSD. Of course, the DAC also needs to know how to unpack the 32 bit format.  Again, it does not transmitt at 2.8 MHz or 5.6MHz, but rather uses packed data as non-standard packets.  Apple Core Audio does not allow ASIO drivers, so cannot take advantage of the higher DSD sample rates.

You don't see the Native DSD format discussed much, but here is a short description.

https://ifi-audio.com/faqs/dop-versus-asio-native-what-are-the-differences-similarities/#:~:text=Only%20via%20ASIO%20%28native%29%20is%20DSD%20sent%20at,and%20how%20many%20bits%20are%20available%20per%20sample.

[kr4]

DoP was developed because, without it, MACs had no way to play DSD. With DoP they could at least play DSD64 and DSD128.

And how does DoP do with multichannel?

[MarkIL]

Matt and I discussed this request.  We don't see the point. 

We like working on important things that we understand.

Feel free to educate us if you understand the science.

i thought that because you had gone from DSD256 to DSD512 in the last version? that there would be a natural move to 1024, if you don't see a need for DSD1024 why DSD512?

[JimH]

Where does it end?

[JimH]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Stream_Digital