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[Angelo58]

Do you have any advice for upsampling to DSD? Settings, tools, plugins ...

[Awesome Donkey]

Just make sure the system you're running MC on is good enough to handle DSD upsampling/conversions as it's very resource intensive, especially anything multichannel.

Also know that any sort of DSD upsampling/conversion is a lossy process with a PCM step in the middle. My personal advice would be to leave DSD as-is and just bitstream it at whatever the native quality of the media is.

[Angelo58]

Thank you for giving your opinion.
There are many controversial ideas on the matter, but software like HQPlayer for example makes it a strong point. Consider that most DACs carry out operations inside it and often through multiple conversions to pcm and dsd. That's why it's better to have all this done from a computer and then sent to the dac.

But back to my initial question, what are the ways JRiver can upsample to DSD? And what are any plugins you can rely on to do even better?

[dtc]

You can convert all playback to DSD in DSP Studio - Output Format - Output Encoding.

As Mr. Donkey said, upsampling DSD to a higher sample rate DSD goes through a PCM stage. You just need to be aware of that.

If you only want a certain format (like flac) converted to DSD, you can create a zone specific for that format and set up DSP Studio for that zone. Zone switch will allow the proper zone to be used for each format.

You can use the Convert Format to convert a file to DSD and save that in a new file.

[Angelo58]

Thank you. I thinked only from PCM to DSD.

Is there also other plugins or VST with more options for the conversion from PCM to DSD?

[dtc]

There may be but I do not remember anyone discussing them here.

[Angelo58]

I hope that some friends of the Forum have some suggestions to give.

[Awesome Donkey]

Yeah, I'm not aware of any plugins for that. Generally most enable the SoX resampler option, but for DSD to DSD (which is DSD > PCM > DSD) conversions that likely won't matter that much. Should work well for DSD to PCM conversions though.

[Angelo58]

Where is Sox option?

[Awesome Donkey]

MC's Options > Audio > Settings > Use SoX for resampling option, but like I said likely not too useful when doing DSD to DSD upsampling/conversions.

[Angelo58]

I do only PCM to DSD

[davewave]

Upsampling of PCM is great marketing.   I have severe doubts it can add anything in terms of fidelity.   Conversions from PCM to DSD are unlikely to add anything either.  But have fun with the toys.

I will try to casually mention that the intermediate step of working with DSD material going through PCM is far from ideal.  But I have no expectations that this will ever be addressed.

[Awesome Donkey]

I will try to casually mention that the intermediate step of working with DSD material going through PCM is far from ideal.  But I have no expectations that this will ever be addressed.

To be fair, most apps do the DSD > PCM > DSD conversion too, worse enough without mentioning it's happening. I think there's only a few apps that do direct DSD to DSD without a PCM conversion, can't recall.

I honestly wouldn't expect that behavior to change anytime soon, if ever. I would be surprised if it did.

[jctcom]

I Believe that Ez-CD audio Converter does direct DSD to DSD.

I use it to split SACD ISO's into separate DSD/DSF tracks and I am pretty sure it does not convert to PCM in the middle.  Also use it for other DSD image files with CUE etc...

Carl.

[Awesome Donkey]

I Believe that Ez-CD audio Converter does direct DSD to DSD.

I use it to split SACD ISO's into separate DSD/DSF tracks and I am pretty sure it does not convert to PCM in the middle.  Also use it for other DSD image files with CUE etc...

There's actually different. Generally there's no DSD to DSD conversion when extracting DFF/DSF from a SACD ISO... assuming it's using sacd_extract to do it, which I would be surprised if it didn't. Basically it extracts the track's raw data from the ISO and packs that track's data into an individual DFF/DSF container, so no conversion is actually being done.

[davewave]

There's actually different. Generally there's no DSD to DSD conversion when extracting DFF/DSF from a SACD ISO... assuming it's using sacd_extract to do it, which I would be surprised if it didn't. Basically it extracts the track's raw data from the ISO and packs that track's data into an individual DFF/DSF container, so no conversion is actually being done.

When it comes to DSD, my source is ISO files from my SACD rips.   Since I have the ISO files and often play then in JRiver, it would be simpler to just do any rips to DSD from within JRiver.  But yes, I can go elsewhere for that function.