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[glynor]

http://pix01.com/3y@wR7w

What's the story with the dude in the hasmat suit and the black terrorist-torturing hood in the foreground there?

Is that Jim?

[bob]

To protest the fact that Guantanamo is still open.
There was a campaign promise 4 years ago to close it.

[JimH]

To protest the fact that Guantanamo is still open.
There was a campaign promise 4 years ago to close it.

He tried.  From Wikipedia:

"On January 22, 2009, the White House announced that President Barack Obama had signed an order to suspend the proceedings of the Guantanamo military commission for 120 days and that the detention facility would be shut down within the year.[9][10] On January 29, 2009, a military judge at Guantanamo rejected the White House request in the case of Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, creating an unexpected challenge for the administration as it reviews how America puts Guantanamo detainees on trial.[11] On May 20, 2009, the United States Senate passed an amendment to the Supplemental Appropriations Act of 2009 (H.R. 2346) by a 90-6 vote to block funds needed for the transfer or release of prisoners held at the Guantanamo Bay detention camp.[12] President Obama issued a Presidential memorandum dated December 15, 2009, ordering the preparation of the Thomson Correctional Center, Thomson, Illinois so as to enable the transfer of Guantanamo prisoners there."

[KingSparta]

>> "To protest the fact that Guantanamo is still open."

why?

They Are Not US Citizens, They Should Not Have Access To Our Legal System.

Our POWs Get There Heads Cut Off.

We Play Play Sesame Street Music.

[JimH]

>> "To protest the fact that Guantanamo is still open."

why?

They Are Not US Citizens, They Should Not Have Access To Our Legal System.

Anyone should be treated legally.

Our POWs Get There Heads Cut Off.

That's wrong. 

We Play Play Sesame Street Music.

I think you're going to get to know Bob better.

[KingSparta]

"Anyone should be treated legally."

I agree there should be some minimum standards, but not to the point where they can abuse our justice system (that they already have).

[Scolex]

That's wrong.

So you are saying that you think that no American POW has been tortured, mutilated, beheaded, etc by their captors?
I certainly hope you just mistook what he was saying.

[bob]

"Anyone should be treated legally."

I agree there should be some minimum standards, but not to the point where they can abuse our justice system (that they already have).

The majority of the people at gitmo have been simply scooped up by the Northern league mostly in Afganistan and turned in for bounties or to settle grudges and had nothing to do with the fighting. This was admitted to by officials from the Bush administration as well.

If one is a prisoner of war and the war is over (fuzzy boundary admittedly in this case) they simply have to be released. Like GI's in Germany in WW2 or Germans in Britain in WW2, etc.

There are of course a few problem cases in gitmo however one can't judge everyone by the same standards. As far as "not subject to the legal system" is concerned, if a US base in Panama was enough to get McCain US natural citizenship, a US base in Cuba ought to be enough to get one a trial by the US legal system.

To some degree, Obama has simply bypassed gitmo by summary execution (drones mostly). This is certainly illegal, clearly so in the case of US citizens and will eventually be found so by the Supreme Court.

I don't really care who is president, I'm pretty sure no one in this country should agree that it's ok for the president to be judge, jury and executioner of American Citizens.

[JimH]

So you are saying that you think that no American POW has been tortured, mutilated, beheaded, etc by their captors?

I said that it was wrong for anyone to be beheaded.  I didn't mean that his information was wrong.

[KingSparta]

I said that it was wrong for anyone to be beheaded.  I didn't mean that his information was wrong.

I understood what you were saying JimH.

> If one is a prisoner of war and the war is over (fuzzy boundary admittedly in this case) they simply have to be released.
> Like GI's in Germany in WW2 or Germans in Britain in WW2, etc.

Not all of them were released willy nilly, they did a review and then they decided if they did anything that would be considered a crime, and they did have trials, and not only the main players at the top.

Note: Some German Prisoners were not released by the USSR until 1955 after they were used as slave labor.

there were 12 actual trials held in Germany, and to get to a trial you had been reviewed by a tribunal to go to a trial.

note the end of the european war was May 7th-8th of 1945, so trials were on going over 3 years from the end of the actual war, and not everyone stopped shooting, German snipers loyal to the Nazi hold outs were shooting at the US troops for 6 years after the war was over.

1.The Doctors' Trial (9 December 1946 - 20 August 1947)
2.The Milch Trial (2 January - 14 April 1947)
3.The Judges' Trial (5 March - 4 December 1947)
4.The Pohl Trial (8 April - 3 November 1947)
5.The Flick Trial (19 April - 22 December 1947)
6.The IG Farben Trial (27 August 1947 - 30 July 1948)
7.The Hostages Trial (8 July 1947 – 19 February 1948)
8.The RuSHA Trial (20 October 1947 - 10 March 1948)
9.The Einsatzgruppen Trial (29 September 1947 - 10 April 1948)
10.The Krupp Trial (8 December 1947 - 31 July 1948)
11.The Ministries Trial (6 January 1948 - 13 April 1949)
12.The High Command Trial (30 December 1947 - 28 October 1948)