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stumpygremlin

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Rate with half-stars?
« on: November 10, 2014, 01:12:48 pm »

I'm wondering if it's possible in MC20 to rate songs with ratings such as 0.5, 1.5, 2.5, 3.5, or 4.5 stars, and if I need to download a plugin or something to do that. (I haven't used MC20 yet)

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Re: Rate with half-stars?
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2014, 01:21:17 pm »

Sorry, but rating is 1 to 5 in whole point increments.
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Re: Rate with half-stars?
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2014, 03:33:16 am »

Yes, please do something about this. I've asked for years and years about this. So far I've had to use my own custom tags for 0-9 ratings as a back end solution. Which is far from intuitive to use. Some people just like a more granular option. That's it. Most of the better music apps I've seen, use half star increments.

Can't we consider converting all old 5 star ratings to 10 instead, by letting 1 star be represented as 2 in the database, and 2 star as 4 integer and so on. Only thing I can think of that would need to be changed is the graphic representation of the stars. The database would probably not be backwards compatible. Should however not be to hard to fix the first issue by showing only full stars if there are no graphics to represent the half stars. Until the skin makes fix the issue that is. Any other issues to prevent this?
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Re: Rate with half-stars?
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2014, 06:53:24 am »

What I know I could do is to create another rating field to add another 5 stars, for a more granular system.

However, I can't edit that in the "now playing" display at the top of the screen, can I? (If someone knows how to do that, can they enlighten me?)
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Re: Rate with half-stars?
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2014, 07:11:46 am »

Is all that I need. Anything more than that seems superfluous.

It's all the you need. Not necessarily the rest of us. I need at least one more number to get my library to do what I want it to.

What number that represent what star rating is of little concern of mine. Only place it would really matter is when using rating in an expression? Ratings could be stored as what ever in the DB. The app and expression could still use 0,1,2,3,4,5. Only addition would be to allow for 0.5, 1.5, 2.5, 3.5, 4.5 in the expressions. There might be a big problem here, but I can't see any big obstacles here right now.

All I'm saying is that there are some of us that would like more granular control. I just mentioned a way that I feel would be possible to approach this.
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Re: Rate with half-stars?
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2014, 09:11:42 am »

Yes, please do something about this. I've asked for years and years about this. So far I've had to use my own custom tags for 0-9 ratings as a back end solution. Which is far from intuitive to use. Some people just like a more granular option. That's it. Most of the better music apps I've seen, use half star increments.

Do you know of a way to do this, and edit the song that's playing from the "now playing" display, or through a hotkey?
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Re: Rate with half-stars?
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2014, 06:53:33 am »

No. Sorry. I do not think that is possible.
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Re: Rate with half-stars?
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2015, 01:18:37 am »

I'm wondering if it's possible in MC20 to rate songs with ratings such as 0.5, 1.5, 2.5, 3.5, or 4.5 stars, and if I need to download a plugin or something to do that. (I haven't used MC20 yet)

Thanks!

After using MusicBee for awhile, I'm hooked on half stars.
Sooo much nicer to play around with. You guys should do this.

Or make a plug-in or something.

Pleeeassseeeee?
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Re: Rate with half-stars?
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2015, 03:36:19 pm »

MediaMonkey has it! Don't you wanna be cool...like MediaMonkey?
Hell, even half ass'd MusicBee has it. What's the big To Do about?
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Re: Rate with half-stars?
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2015, 01:19:08 pm »

This has always annoyed me because the field used by MC to store the star rating goes from 0-255, they just choose to divide that scale into 5 stars for display and only use 6 values of the 256 available. Offering a 10 scale display would seem to be trivial.
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Re: Rate with half-stars?
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2015, 02:25:49 am »

This has always annoyed me because the field used by MC to store the star rating goes from 0-255, they just choose to divide that scale into 5 stars for display and only use 6 values of the 256 available. Offering a 10 scale display would seem to be trivial.

If that is the case, then yes. The change would not require that much.

I don't see the need of discussion how people weigh their ratings. It would be very different from one person to the other. Half star ratings would just give people more flexibility to do what they want.
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Re: Rate with half-stars?
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2015, 11:48:47 am »

Here's the official definition of the POPM field: http://id3.org/id3v2.3.0#sec4.18

MC's current usage:
1 star: rating=1
2 star: rating=64
3 star: rating=128
4 star: rating=192
5 star: rating=255
0 star: MC removes the field entirely

MC only looks at POPM fields where the email is blank. If you write tags from library, MC destroys any other POPM fields that might exist (hope you weren't using those) and resets the blank email POPM to one of the above conforming values matching the star value assigned in the DB.
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Re: Rate with half-stars?
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2015, 04:10:29 pm »

I don't see the need of discussion how people weigh their ratings. It would be very different from one person to the other. Half star ratings would just give people more flexibility to do what they want.

Since it is considered such a hype  (even within other software i dont use) it was interesting for me to know what a 1/2 star diff. would mean subjectively.

But thanks to single out that it - "would give more flexibility to do what they want". Eerrrr... no kidding ?

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Re: Rate with half-stars?
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2015, 02:51:46 am »

It was starting to become a trend in this thread. I don't mind that people say what they use their ratings for, but it was kind of starting to derail the real point of the tread (in my opinion). That's why I brought it up.
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Re: Rate with half-stars?
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2015, 08:26:01 am »

Not sure this thread is doing any good anyway. :P
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Re: Rate with half-stars?
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2015, 10:56:22 am »

Not sure this thread is doing any good anyway. :P

Don't be negative :
The method is described
The reasons why are written
The standard is in plain site
The competitors are mentioned

What's maybe missing is a poll  ;)
I would   vote "yes" because the new feature will not change a thing for those like me using 1 star increment but would please other users.

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Re: Rate with half-stars?
« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2015, 10:58:07 am »

Written in the too easy thread:

I've thought about it, but it's kind of hard to do nicely.  The list control would be fidgety with half star ratings, and we don't even have a way to draw a half star right now.

I kind of think a 0-5 rating scale is sufficient, but what do I know.
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Re: Rate with half-stars?
« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2015, 11:05:12 am »

Leave it as a 5 star default and have an option to make it half stars for those who want it. If they want it, then they're obviously willing to deal with a fiddly control? :)
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Re: Rate with half-stars?
« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2015, 11:05:59 am »

Sorry Matt.

But from 0 to 10 would that also be ? Or an acceptable compromise...
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Re: Rate with half-stars?
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2015, 11:11:40 am »

I'd also be okay with numbers rather than stars on the display. Would take up less room! (although harder to set quickly, which is a big minus).

Still wish you guys would use the "email" section of POPM for user information so my SO and I can have different ratings for songs... :P
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Re: Rate with half-stars?
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2015, 02:59:04 pm »

Different colour stars?
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Re: Rate with half-stars?
« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2015, 05:07:12 am »

I kind of think a 0-5 rating scale is sufficient, but what do I know.

And I'm sure there are more of you, than those of us that want half star increments. But there are quite a few that actually want and need it. Perhaps around 10-20% would be my guess.

The problem is not only applicable when rating your own music. What about all other services that uses half star increments or smaller. There's a lot of them. IMDB and Netflix comes to mind. Yea, I know that Netflix is no longer supported, and you have no ties to IMDB. But other services have, and we have the data. We have to do compromises to have the 5 star ratings give decent representation of the actual rating.
Without focus on integrating these services, I believe that MC will get a smaller and smaller user base. Local playback of media is going to be a smaller and smaller market. For me at least, that's another justification of looking into this now, rather than later.

I do not know what's up with the issue of list control. I don't know what it is, so I'll leave that to you :) But I'm certain you could fix it quite fast if you wanted to.

The graphical representation however... Would that really be that troublesome? You could potentially fix two problems at once here. Why not create 2 graphical types of stars your self. One whole and one half. Add them as actual graphic files with MC, so they can be modded for those that choose so. We can give them the color we want, we can change to other stuff than stars as well. Beer glass icons would be my choice. It would be a pretty nice bonus to be able to control this your self imo. The standard characters are not really great for all of these operations anyway. A system like this could probably be used in other places as well? Such as watched/not watched icons. Labels for video resolution, audio channels and codecs used and so on.
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Re: Rate with half-stars?
« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2015, 05:31:01 am »

Seems u didn't read the answer between the lines ? It's "No change expected soon".
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Re: Rate with half-stars?
« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2015, 06:19:18 am »

Since Matt  quoted himself about the same request in the topic "too easy" I won't have any high hopes this function will be improved soon - not even if there was a user poll or a logic chain of arguments   :-\
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Edit : my apologies MrHaugen.
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Re: Rate with half-stars?
« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2015, 07:40:56 am »

Be nice.
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Re: Rate with half-stars?
« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2015, 05:52:08 am »

Well, the rest of JRiver makes up for this small peccadillo.  :P

I'm still happy with the software...so far. Half stars would be nice though!
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