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[marko]

Depends when you jump. For me, that's right away, both times, and they were a year apart, almost to the day.

That said, I've also never had any issue getting MilkDrop up and running on any version since MilkDrop became an MC thing.
Would still be neat if they could make it a part of MC though, instead of a buggy plugin

[Supersnake]

William-NM, thank you very much for making MilkDrop2 available for us. Your detailed installation instructions were very clear and helpful. I was able to install MilkDrop 2 onto MC 20 with ease, thank you!

[Supersnake]

Pressing the numerical 0 while MilkDrop is playing brings up access to the program's configurations.
I'm assuming that Windowed mode is the only mode that can be used because the Desktop and Full Screen mode are grayed out, which is no problem for me because MC will display visualizations in full screen.

What I really would like is to be able to tweak the Maximum Frame Rate and increase the size of the fonts that appear in the MilkDrop on screen console - because the text is too tiny to read.
However, any changes I make don't remain after I close the configuration window.
How does one make the frame rate and font changes take effect?

 

[William-NM]

Hi Supersnake, you're welcome. I wish I had the programming skills to bring the program up to date. As far as your config changes not 'sticking', the only thing I know to suggest is applying the principles in these steps from the install doc if you haven't already - it sounds like a permissions issue.

Quoting:

Here's how to make your CONFIG changes stick, courtesy of 'Aimhere'
I also managed to get Milkdrop2 to be able to save changes to its settings, by changing Windows' folder permissions as discussed previously on this thread
You only need to change the permissions on the configuration files themselves (NOT the "Milkdrop2" or "Visualizations" folder, or the Media Center folder... absolutely not on the entire "Program Files" folder!).
If you followed the installation instructions correctly, Milkdrop2 lives in "C:\Program Files (x86)\J River\Media Center 19\Visualizations\Milkdrop2" (this is for 64-bit Windows; remove the " (x86)" if using 32-bit Windows). This folder contains a second "milkdrop2" folder and several individual files. The "milk2.ini" and "milk2_adapters.txt" files are the only ones that need their permissions changed.

For each of these files:
* In Windows Explorer, right-click the file and select "Properties..."
* Click on the "Security" tab.
* Click on the "Edit" button.
* In the list of group or user names, click "Users".*
* Down below, in the list of Permissions, click "Modify". "Write" will also become checked.
* Click "Okay" to close the "Permissions" dialog, then "Okay" in the "Properties" dialog.
After that, you should be able to change the settings in Milkdrop2 and they will be saved between sessions.
Hope this helps.
Aimhere
*(Note: I only needed to change permissions for "Users". You may need to also set them for "creator owner". To do this, in the "Permissions" dialog you would click "Add", type "creator owner" and click "Okay", then click on "creator owner" in the group/users list and add the Modify/Write permissions as above.)
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and/or this section:

 I was having trouble with access rights to change files in those folders until this tip from beats_works:
 Quote from: beats_works on December 30, 2016, 11:32:35 pm:
Not sure what issue you encountered but I changed permissions on Presets folder and can change ratings by hitting 6 then +/- and the ratings stick.
* In Windows Explorer, right-click the Presets folder and select "Properties..."
* Click on the "Security" tab.
* Click on the "Edit" button.
* In the list of group or user names, click "Users".*
* Down below, in the list of Permissions, click "Modify". "Write" will also become checked.
* Click "Okay" to close the "Permissions" dialog, then "Okay" in the "Properties" dialog.

...You might try that on the folder containing the .ini or other config files and see if it helps.

William

[Supersnake]

William, thank you for alerting me that it was a permissions issue and providing detailed instructions how to change the permissions.

I employed an alternative, easy method to change permissions by right clicking on the files then clicking "Take Ownership, the changes immediately take effect in the background without the need to open or close any windows.

A few years ago, when I was running on Vista (or was it XP), I was tired of dealing with the frustrating hit-and-miss orthodox method of modifying permissions.  It was during that time I discovered a registry hack that still works.

In a recent article (March 16, 2017) entitled How to Add “Take Ownership” to the Right-Click Menu in Windows Explorer,  How-To Geek.com brought the hack back into the spotlight.
Near the end of their article you will see Download Our One-Click Registry Hacks. The download will be a compressed folder containing a InstallTakeOwnership.reg file and a RemoveTakeOwnership.reg file.

Here is the URL to the article:  https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/add-take-ownership-to-explorer-right-click-menu-in-vista/

[William-NM]

Yes, I remember using this a few years back, too. I sometimes forget that it is Microsoft's computer and that they're just letting me borrow it. 

I installed the hack, just in case...
Thanks!
William

[sKiZo]

Be interesting to find out why MC insists on owning that particular piece of real estate and making it difficult to make any changes.

Probably because tech support is much easier if we can't change anything. ;-}

Truthfully, this is the only program I have such issues with. Definitely bookmarked the hacks and I'll install those on the HTPC for playing around. It's also a PITA to change or upgrade any of my SoundSpectrum visualizations, and that will help a lot.

[JimH]

Be interesting to find out why MC insists on owning that particular piece of real estate and making it difficult to make any changes.

Not sure what you mean by that.

[Hendrik]

Milkdrop is just incredibly old, it was written before UAC (User Account Control) was a thing in Windows, so it can't deal with the new security concepts of Windows. Thats nothing directly to do with MC.
Its also perfectly normal for files and folders in the "Program Files" directory to not be directly editable by users, settings are supposed to be stored elsewhere - but see above for old.

[William-NM]

Hendrick: Yep, it would be nice to be able to put the default presets folder under the "user" hierarchy. Haven't been able to figure out how to do that, though. I'm kinda surprised that there hasn't been more activity in visualizers, though I do have ProjectM (a MilkDrop2 derivative) on my Android phone... I guess it must be hard to generate enough revenue to interest devs. Happily, Media Center keeps on rolling. 
Wm.

[csslouis]

just wanted to offer up a tip for registering the milk2.dll...i couldn't get it to register at the command line so i downloaded a tiny free stand alone app called RegTool and it was simple to get it to install.

[William-NM]

Editing the first post didn't bump the thread. I just added a new pack of presets for us MD2 lovers. DL link in first post.

[William-NM]

just wanted to offer up a tip for registering the milk2.dll...i couldn't get it to register at the command line so i downloaded a tiny free stand alone app called RegTool and it was simple to get it to install.

Oh, and thanks, csslouis for the tip!

[Katzir Shay]

The MilkDrop2 visualization, at least w/ the current installation instructions, doesn't work w/ JRiver 23 64bit version. W/ the 32bit version, it works fine.

[William-NM]

Correct! and it never will, unless some kindly programmer decides to update the code. 

[omnitox]

So nobody got it work for MC23 64bit?? That is very sad,I did not know this before upgrading...does anybody know a replacement?

[pcfidelity]

Hi, I've just been trying to get this to work on JRiver 23 on Windows 10 x64. Finally figured out it's just the "milkdrop2-jrmc23-64bit.reg" file actually still has JRiver 22 in the path instead of 23.

Just edit the 22 in the reg file to 23, i.e:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\JRiver\Media Center 22\Plugins\Display\MilkDrop2]

becomes

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\JRiver\Media Center 23\Plugins\Display\MilkDrop2]

[dali71]

Correct! and it never will, unless some kindly programmer decides to update the code.

This breaks my heart, as Milkdrop is the best visualization plugin ever made.

[JookieCola]

This breaks my heart, as Milkdrop is the best visualization plugin ever made.

For quite a few reasons I agree with you, and I have been bummed since I moved to x64 media center.  But I soon realized it is pretty trivial to run winamp through media center in order to bask in the glow of milkdrop.

I do not run mc as a dedicated media server and if you're like me, then all you need to do is:

• Make sure you have the WDM driver installed from media center (options --> general --> features --> check WDM driver at the bottom).
• From tools --> advanced tools --> select media server.

Now you have a nice little (virtual) audio output device in your windows audio settings.  (Do not change your audio out settings in mc, for those who may not be familiar with running virtual devices).

At this point you can set JRiver Media Center 24 as your default audio out device under sound options in window, but since you're probably only using winamp for this specific reason, it is easier just to set the default audio output of winamp to the virtual mc device. 

I went through winamp and made sure all dsp, leveling, and funny audio tricks were off, and that is pretty much it.  Throw some tunes into winamp, fire up milkdrop, and let your brain melt, while retaining the goodness of mc.  Shouldn't take more than a couple minutes and all of this is a one time thing, meaning you shouldn't have to repeat any of this once it's done.  And milkdrop is running in its native environment so unless you really start messing with milkdrop and the output (and why wouldn't you?  ), everything is as stable as it can be.  Overall, very easy and non-intrusive.

If you've never messed with anything like a virtual sound card, once it is installed as a windows device, make sure you go into your sound settings and set it up just like you would a physical device (number of speakers, format, etc.).  Also, if you're experiencing crazy latency, make sure you're adjusting on the winamp side, because that's where it is.  For doing something like this, the default winamp buffers are huge, so you may have to smack them around a little.  I don't think I ever experienced anything during playback, but skipping to the next track or scanning through a song caused problems until I got the buffers where they wanted to be.

Anyway, it works very well for me when I want it to and it's simple enough for something as awesome as milkdrop.  And if you're feeling spunky you can cram spout into milkdrop for added flavor.  http://spout.zeal.co/

If you have any questions feel free to let me know.  I have managed to get a lot of programs to work in or with mc over the years, including an embarrassing amount of vst plugins, so ping me if you dare!   

Also, I would like to thank everyone that helped in getting milkdrop to function in mc.  It worked very well thanks to your efforts, and that was the only reason why I even hesitated upgrading to x64 mc. 

[VenoM]

Sorry for drudging up such an old thread, but I've been trying to install Milkdrop I've finally discovered that my error has been that I've been working with Media Center 24 (x64).
What I need to know now is whether using the 64 bit version has any real advantages. Has anyone noticed any real world performance differences? If not, I'll install the 32 bit version so that I can enjoy superior visualizations. They're pretty trippy on a 3D screen when using the virtual 3D setting on my TV!
Thanks!

[VenoM]

Can I get a little help here please?
As far as I understand the forum is the only place to get customer support and so it's a little disheartening to find that some questions remain ignored.
All I need to know is whether or not playback/local network streaming would suffer if I were to "regress" back to the 32 bit version in order to use Milkdrop.
Thanks and sorry for the trouble

[Awesome Donkey]

Nope, it wouldn't regress.

[Ekpen]

Hendrick: Yep, it would be nice to be able to put the default presets folder under the "user" hierarchy. Haven't been able to figure out how to do that, though. I'm kinda surprised that there hasn't been more activity in visualizers, though I do have ProjectM (a MilkDrop2 derivative) on my Android phone... I guess it must be hard to generate enough revenue to interest devs. Happily, Media Center keeps on rolling. 
Wm.

+1, I do have at one time on my Samsung Galaxy note 3 cell  phone a ProjectM (clone of MilkDrop2 ). I paid for it, but had to remove it because of storage concerns.
I hope to bring it back when Sony Xperia 1 is on hand.
When JRiver for Android comes of age, maybe ProjectM can be integrated with it.

George

[VenoM]

Nope, it wouldn't regress.

Thank you, sir. I will make adjustments.

[Axilian]

VenoM  - I'n case it helps I use MC v25 x64 and it works fine with milkdrop2 so you should be able to get it to work - I just followed the post below and  altered the reg file in notepad before installing. Mind you you'll have to re-install milkdrop each time you update jrmc it seems

[wombat66]

VenoM  - I'n case it helps I use MC v25 x64 and it works fine with milkdrop2 so you should be able to get it to work - I just followed the post below and  altered the reg file in notepad before installing. Mind you you'll have to re-install milkdrop each time you update jrmc it seems

Are you running the 64bit version of MC v25? Or is it the 32bit version of MC running on 64bit windows. Please clarify. If it is the 64bit version of MC, where is the "post below" that you followed? Thx

[VenoM]

Thanks for the assistance. I'm attempting to install Milkdrop2 in MC 24 with Windows 10 64bit. So far it has frozen every time I attempt to select MilkDrop from the visualizations selector while a track is playing. I followed directions precisely and verified my registry entries.
I just uninstalled Media Center and will attempt to start from scratch once more. I thought I had edited the reg file correctly, but I guess mistakes can happen.
@Wombat66, By "post below" I believe Axilian meant the readme file linked to in the original post.

Edit: GOT IT!!!!
I think where I screwed up was installing the 32bit version Media Center over top of the 64bit version before uninstalling the 64bit version.

[DougHamm]

Hi folks -- I installed under MC25, but when I click the Milkdrop2 item in Playing now nothing happens -- it just returns to Cover Art.  No errors or anything

Anything special to get it working in MC25 64bit?  (I've properly updated the version number in the .reg, unblocked the files in Properties, etc.).

Thanks,
-Doug

[vulture_g7]

I think it only works with the 32-bit version of MC regardless of your Windows (32 or 64 bit) version. On a related note, anybody made it work with MC 26? Doesn't work here.

[kbzona]

MilkDrop works just fine in MC26 32 bit  but only in 32 bit version...

Maybe recheck the regedit paths? 
did you regsvr32  milkdrop dll?