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chrisjj

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Naming of R128 Dynamic Range
« on: November 06, 2013, 06:21:38 pm »

JRiver is using Dynamic Range (R128) here because it probably has more meaning to people than Loudness Range.

That's really sad if true. Quantity of low-quality meaning is not worth having.
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Naming of R128 Dynamic Range (chrisjj)
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2013, 12:32:54 am »

That's really sad if true. Quantity of low-quality meaning is not worth having.

A few posts below that this was posted:
Next build of MC19:
NEW: Added DR dynamic range analysis to the audio analyzer.
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chrisjj

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Naming of R128 Dynamic Range (chrisjj)
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2013, 02:16:10 am »

A few posts below that this was posted:

That does not itself demonstrate that JR is using "Dynamic Range (R128)" to refer to R128 loudness range. I hope JR will say what it does mean by "Dynamic Range (R128)".
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Naming of R128 Dynamic Range (chrisjj)
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2013, 06:53:45 am »

That does not itself demonstrate that JR is using "Dynamic Range (R128)" to refer to R128 loudness range. I hope JR will say what it does mean by "Dynamic Range (R128)".
The Dynamic Range (R128) field uses the R128-derived Loudness Range (LRA) data which gives you the dynamic range of the track. (If I recall correctly, it uses the 95th percentile for peak volume and 10th percentile for minimum volume to calculate this)
The Dynamic Range (DR) field gives you TT-DR derived Crest Factor measurements, which is a measure of peak-to-average volume and may be indicative of how dynamic the mastering of a particular track is.
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Naming of R128 Dynamic Range (chrisjj)
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2013, 08:06:32 am »

The Dynamic Range (R128) field uses the R128-derived Loudness Range (LRA) data which gives you the dynamic range of the track. (If I recall correctly, it uses the 95th percentile for peak volume and 10th percentile for minimum volume to calculate this)
The Dynamic Range (DR) field gives you TT-DR derived Crest Factor measurements, which is a measure of peak-to-average volume and may be indicative of how dynamic the mastering of a particular track is.

6233638 is exactly right, what JRiver calls the R128 dynamic range is, to my understanding, the same as the r128-spec loudness range.  Here's a recent thread on the subject that includes links to the R128 spec and some discussion of the implications of the differences between the two DR measures:

http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=84489.0
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Naming of R128 Dynamic Range (chrisjj)
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2013, 07:55:04 pm »

The Dynamic Range (R128) field uses the R128-derived Loudness Range (LRA) data

I'd be interested to know the source of that info.

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Naming of R128 Dynamic Range (chrisjj)
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2013, 12:45:17 am »

I'd be interested to know the source of that info.

You can believe him. :)
DR (R128) is the R128 Loudness Range value.
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Naming of R128 Dynamic Range (chrisjj)
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2013, 06:07:50 am »

You can believe him.

Perhaps when I see the source.
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Re: Naming of R128 Dynamic Range (chrisjj)
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2013, 08:27:47 am »

I looked into the actual source code of MC that computes those values. If you don't want to believe that, I don't know what will convince you. Compute the values with another EBU R128 compatible software and compare numbers? :D
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