Topic: Blu-ray and MKV 3D support [Under Development] (Read 248500 times)

madshi · « **Reply #400 on:** March 01, 2016, 04:50:05 am »

P.S: Here's a release build with the ~1hour slide show bug fixed:

http://madshi.net/madVR9013b.rar

Hendrik · « **Reply #401 on:** March 01, 2016, 05:01:27 am »

Quote from: madshi on March 01, 2016, 04:37:30 am

@Hendrik, what are you thoughts on the matter? Do you see a chance there could be a bug in LAV Splitter or Decoder which could cause a 1 frame desync between left and right eye? FWIW, it occurred 3 times for me, and a seek reliably fixed the issue all 3 times for me. Due to a seek fixing the issue I'm doubtful that this would be NVidia's fault, but I can't be sure, it's still possible. Do you have any ideas how to track down which component (NVidia, Intel, LAV Splitter, LAV Decoder, madVR) might be responsible for this problem?

Did you play a MKV or Blu-ray? In an MKV the frames are already pre-assembled, so its unlikely to go wrong on the splitters end.

In any case, H264 frames have a so-called POC (Picture Order Count), which is equal for the base and extension views, so using those I don't see how the decoder could mess that up.
I have some asserts in LAV Video that check if both views come from the same frame, and so far they never triggered. But they are disabled in release builds ... maybe I should leave it running for a while.

madshi · « **Reply #402 on:** March 01, 2016, 05:16:56 am »

I've been playing straight 3D Blu-Rays (playlist etc), not MKVs. Would be great if you could create a build which somehow complains if something goes wrong. E.g. you could create a file on desktop, which contains some information that might be useful, in case the "POC" differs or something else weird happens? I suppose what I could do is test with an MKV instead of Blu-Ray to narrow down the list of suspects.

Hendrik · « **Reply #403 on:** March 01, 2016, 05:58:54 am »

Did your disc use seamless branching a lot?

madshi · « **Reply #404 on:** March 01, 2016, 06:09:14 am »

Good call!

I've just checked, both movies I had this problem with *are* using seamless branching. And I've checked the exact locations where the problem started, and it *does* seem to be exactly the place where a new seamless branching m2ts starts (plus/minus a few seconds, I can't say for sure). The one movie where it occurred once happens to have 2 parts. The movie where it occurred twice has 3 parts. So it seems to me that the problem always occurs exactly at the seamless branching points, and it seems to happen every time.

Hendrik · « **Reply #405 on:** March 01, 2016, 06:22:41 am »

Which discs are those? Might have to get my hands on one.
That said, there was an issue in the mvc parsing in the latest nightly, and I hope to have that resolved now, but I can't say if its strictly related.

madshi · « **Reply #406 on:** March 01, 2016, 06:34:46 am »

I haven't been using last night's LAV nightly. The files are dated 2016-02-26, 02:55.

The discs are "My Bloody Valentine" and "Resident Evil: Afterlife" (both USA discs).

I suppose it should be easy enough for me to reproduce here. So if you need me to test with a special build or something, no problem.

Hendrik · « **Reply #407 on:** March 01, 2016, 06:41:31 am »

The Feb 26 build already had the bug, I'm afraid. In fact its the one that introduced it. I'll task my build system to make a new one right now.

madshi · « **Reply #408 on:** March 01, 2016, 06:45:39 am »

Ok, let me know when the build is up, I'll test right away. Just finished creating a MakeMKV remux for double checking, anyway.

Hendrik · « **Reply #409 on:** March 01, 2016, 07:16:29 am »

Its up now at https://files.1f0.de/lavf/nightly/, build 138.

madshi · « **Reply #410 on:** March 01, 2016, 07:29:57 am »

I'm sorry to say, but the problem is still there. The problem does *not* occur with the MakeMKV remux. It's 100% reproducable. Do you have any seamless branching 3Ds? It seems to me that it's likely that you could reproduce the problem with any of them. You can seek to about 30 seconds before a seamless branching point, then let it play over the branching point, then wait for a scene with some movement and press pause. You should notice that the image is not ok. In paused state it's actually easier to see than in motion. Seek back or forward a little and the problem disappears.

madshi · « **Reply #411 on:** March 01, 2016, 07:36:23 am »

P.S: I should add that my original description was somewhat wrong. It's not a full frame delay between left and right eye. It's more of a partial 3D corruption. I think the likely cause is that the 3D Intel decoder probably applies the MVC image warps to the wrong base view, or something like that.

Hendrik · « **Reply #412 on:** March 01, 2016, 08:08:26 am »

I found it easy to see with frame stepping on hard scene changes. I don't imagine its correct when one eye already changed scene and the other didn't.
Not sure whats wrong though. Maybe the decoder needs to be told there is a change? Odd. But then whats different in the MakeMKV stream?

madshi · « **Reply #413 on:** March 01, 2016, 08:26:56 am »

At one time I had a bug in eac3to which failed to demux the last MVC frame for each m2ts file. Could it be something like that? Maybe if one MVC frame is missing, the Intel decoder gets confused? I don't really know, just wild guessing. Must be something simple like that, though, because MakeMKV is unlikely to do any funny magic to the streams.

Hendrik · « **Reply #414 on:** March 01, 2016, 08:38:28 am »

I found the reason, I think, there is a EOS marker in the bitstream, which is presumably to blame for this. Now just to figure out how to remove it.

Hendrik · « **Reply #415 on:** March 01, 2016, 09:16:30 am »

LAV Build 141 is available now which hopefully resolves this issue. If i were to guess, the "warped" image reported by stewart_pk might be related to this, since such Pixar/Disney movies typically use a lot of seamless branching to localize logos/signs/etc.

madshi · « **Reply #416 on:** March 01, 2016, 09:26:14 am »

Wonderful - I can confirm that the bug seems to be fixed - many thanks! This is a good day, two important bugs found and fixed (this one and the 1 hour slide show bug)...

Yes, I agree that it's likely that stewart's problem will also be fixed by build 141.

BTW, I'm quite happy that you managed to implement full support for seamless branching for 3D. I remember you originally only planned to support single SSIF files.

Hilton · « **Reply #417 on:** March 01, 2016, 04:17:32 pm »

You guys are geniuses!

Thanks for the dedication and persistence! VERY much appreciated.

SamuriHL · « **Reply #418 on:** March 01, 2016, 10:37:59 pm »

Excellent work! Very happy with the latest solution.

v_erich · « **Reply #419 on:** March 02, 2016, 02:44:49 am »

I'm also very happy with the new possibilities!

Thank you very much madshi and hendrik.

BR
Erich

stewart_pk · « **Reply #420 on:** March 02, 2016, 09:52:57 am »

At first I made the huge mistake of forgetting to update the files in C:\Users\<USER>\AppData\Roaming\J River\Media Center 21\Plugins\lav after installing the latest LAV 141 build. But once I did that I can report the problem appears to be solved!

Well done and thank you very much and I think JRiver MC has taken another huge step forward in becoming perfect HTPC software.

fitbrit · « **Reply #421 on:** March 02, 2016, 10:02:09 pm »

This thread is so impressive to read. Well done!

Hendrik · « **Reply #422 on:** March 03, 2016, 07:53:56 am »

We're getting close to considering this stable and including it in MC. Has anyone actually watched a whole movie with all the latest components (LAV 141+ and madVR 0.90.13b) to confirm the ~1h glitch is gone, and everything else works fine now? (other than the known bug with 3D not turning on for some people unless they poke the UI)

Daveyravey · « **Reply #423 on:** March 03, 2016, 09:20:18 am »

Watched 3D movie last night apart from waggling the mouse initially to induce 3D all was perfect.

Hilton · « **Reply #424 on:** March 03, 2016, 03:53:13 pm »

It's all fixed for me apart from the poking the UI at the start!

madshi · « **Reply #425 on:** March 03, 2016, 04:19:45 pm »

FWIW, I'd wait for 0.90.14, though. There's one known NNEDI3 related bug.

Hendrik · « **Reply #426 on:** March 03, 2016, 04:21:46 pm »

Quote from: madshi on March 03, 2016, 04:19:45 pm

FWIW, I'd wait for 0.90.14, though. There's one known NNEDI3 related bug.

Not going to publish anything this soon, don't worry. First need to make a LAV release sometime.

glynor · « **Reply #427 on:** March 03, 2016, 05:10:53 pm »

I'm way behind reading the thread catchup-style, but I wanted to add:

Quote from: jmone on March 01, 2016, 02:11:35 am

Videoclock is great. Just turn it on and relax

+1

And...

Quote from: fitbrit on March 02, 2016, 10:02:09 pm

This thread is so impressive to read. Well done!

I agree. I'm decidedly "meh" on 3D support, but this is all very nice work. Well done all of you.

jmone · « **Reply #428 on:** March 03, 2016, 05:45:09 pm »

Quote from: Hendrik on March 03, 2016, 07:53:56 am

We're getting close to considering this stable and including it in MC. Has anyone actually watched a whole movie with all the latest components (LAV 141+ and madVR 0.90.13b) to confirm the ~1h glitch is gone, and everything else works fine now? (other than the known bug with 3D not turning on for some people unless they poke the UI)

Just grabbed the latest Lave Nightlies + already have madVR 0.90.13 (???b) installed. Put on Avatar in the background (could not bear to sit in front of it again) and let it play. Twice now (with a reboot inbetween just in case) I've seen a condition where playback ends up stalled with 30,000 dropped frames in the UI. It appeared in different places (I think - well the frozen screen was different). Pause/Play would restart but it was then all frame dropping like made. I'm running madVR in Debug Mode for a 3rd run and will post back. I've not seen this prior to today.

Hendrik · « **Reply #429 on:** March 03, 2016, 05:48:21 pm »

Quote from: jmone on March 03, 2016, 05:45:09 pm

Just grabbed the latest Lave Nightlies + already have madVR 0.90.13 (???b) installed.

If you don't know about b, then you probably don't have it.
See http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=102539.msg719232#msg719232

jmone · « **Reply #430 on:** March 03, 2016, 05:58:31 pm »

Nope - I did not have it! Will retest as I just got a 8GB Txt file log with the issue on the non B version before I try compressing and uploading

Hendrik · « **Reply #431 on:** March 03, 2016, 06:00:17 pm »

Quote from: jmone on March 03, 2016, 05:58:31 pm

Nope - I did not have it! Will retest as I just got a 8GB Txt file log with the issue on the non B version before I try compressing and uploading

B also has a new logging mechanism, see http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=102539.msg719149#msg719149
No more 8GB logs, but a rolling log that allows small logs even when errors happen after an hour of playback.

At least I hope that change is also in 13b, but I would assume so!

jmone · « **Reply #432 on:** March 03, 2016, 06:44:24 pm »

Well - so far so good!

jmone · « **Reply #433 on:** March 03, 2016, 09:33:21 pm »

All good with the latest (just a few dropped frames)

TheShoe · « **Reply #434 on:** March 04, 2016, 12:02:00 am »

Well, I finally got all the latest installed on my Mac Mini late 2014 model -- Intel Iris 5100, windows 10, latesst lav and madvr plugins...

3D Playback attempts to work, but it appears to be rapidly displaying two images slightly out of sync by a split second. Weird - it's like rather than display left/right at same time they display one after the other.

The TV reports 3D1080p, so I know JRiver is outputting a 3D signal. But the video is a mess with the image issue.

then JRiver crashes - usually after a min or two in...

Hendrik · « **Reply #435 on:** March 04, 2016, 03:55:28 am »

Quote from: TheShoe on March 04, 2016, 12:02:00 am

3D Playback attempts to work, but it appears to be rapidly displaying two images slightly out of sync by a split second. Weird - it's like rather than display left/right at same time they display one after the other.

Silly question maybe, but you did put on your 3D glasses, did you? Some TVs with active shutter glasses produce such an effect when you look at it without the glasses on (or the glasses being turned off).

Not sure anyone here is running it with an Intel GPU otherwise.

TheShoe · « **Reply #436 on:** March 06, 2016, 09:19:08 am »

Quote from: Hendrik on March 04, 2016, 03:55:28 am

Silly question maybe, but you did put on your 3D glasses, did you? Some TVs with active shutter glasses produce such an effect when you look at it without the glasses on (or the glasses being turned off).
Not sure anyone here is running it with an Intel GPU otherwise.

yup.

my tv - without the glasses on - produces a double-image effect.

the effect i'm seeing is as if each image is displayed at different times vs at the same time. will have to capture a short video of the effect.

JimH · « **Reply #437 on:** March 06, 2016, 09:38:58 am »

What happens if you put the glasses on?

Beamer · « **Reply #438 on:** March 06, 2016, 11:33:03 am »

Before connecting to my HT system I have been testing using a 2D monitor. Can anyone advise if the image attached is to be expected?

The disc is Avatar 3D BluRay and all the files discussed I believe to be up to date. My concern is that Frame Packing is not working but perhaps it cannot work without a 3D monitor?

madshi · « **Reply #439 on:** March 06, 2016, 12:05:30 pm »

Frame packing only works if the TV supports it. Otherwise madVR automatically switches to side-by-side.

Beamer · « **Reply #440 on:** March 06, 2016, 12:08:18 pm »

Quote from: madshi on March 06, 2016, 12:05:30 pm

Frame packing only works if the TV supports it. Otherwise madVR automatically switches to side-by-side.

Great. Thanks for that info

Z0001 · « **Reply #441 on:** March 06, 2016, 04:21:35 pm »

This is great news and excellent development. No drivers for my pcie ssd, so i need to rebuild my ATX desktop to get W10. What minimun graphics solution do i need to run this please? Im guessing no issues with m.2 ssd as an OS drive?

Cheers
Z

TheShoe · « **Reply #442 on:** March 06, 2016, 10:54:44 pm »

Quote from: JimH on March 06, 2016, 09:38:58 am

What happens if you put the glasses on?

sorry - i am not being clear

obviously I tried the glasses - no good.

normally, if i put in a bluray 3d, without the glasses, I see the double image. this is not the same as what I am seeing without the glasses playing back an MVC MKV file made with makemkv on jriver.

now I've tested the same file on the raspberry PI2 and OpenElec (which plays back MVC MKV in hardware) and it plays back the 3D fine; without the glasses the pi2 produces the same effect as the bluray - double image which i would expect.

so clearly there's something up with my setup and/or jriver. i suspect it may be the intel iris 5100 since I seem to be the only one using it. i suppose next I should try some other 3D Content outside of jriver on this setup to see if it will playback properly.

stewart_pk · « **Reply #443 on:** March 06, 2016, 11:00:09 pm »

Quote from: TheShoe on March 04, 2016, 12:02:00 am

Well, I finally got all the latest installed on my Mac Mini late 2014 model -- Intel Iris 5100, windows 10, latesst lav and madvr plugins...

3D Playback attempts to work, but it appears to be rapidly displaying two images slightly out of sync by a split second. Weird - it's like rather than display left/right at same time they display one after the other.

The TV reports 3D1080p, so I know JRiver is outputting a 3D signal. But the video is a mess with the image issue.

then JRiver crashes - usually after a min or two in...

What exactly are you trying to play?

TheShoe · « **Reply #444 on:** March 07, 2016, 12:46:06 pm »

Quote from: stewart_pk on March 06, 2016, 11:00:09 pm

What exactly are you trying to play?

I've tried a couple 3d MVC MKV files - Frozen and Star Trek Into Darkness. Same effect for both.

Planning to try again later this evening.

stewart_pk · « **Reply #445 on:** March 07, 2016, 06:57:43 pm »

Quote from: TheShoe on March 07, 2016, 12:46:06 pm

I've tried a couple 3d MVC MKV files - Frozen and Star Trek Into Darkness. Same effect for both.

Planning to try again later this evening.

I don't think 3D MKV files are supported.

jmone · « **Reply #446 on:** March 07, 2016, 07:03:31 pm »

The support added is for MVC encoded content, be it Blu-ray (Disk/MPLS and SSIF) as well as MKV. Both work fine for me.

TheShoe · « **Reply #447 on:** March 11, 2016, 10:01:44 pm »

Quote from: jmone on March 07, 2016, 07:03:31 pm

The support added is for MVC encoded content, be it Blu-ray (Disk/MPLS and SSIF) as well as MKV. Both work fine for me.

Damn. i'll have to chalk this up to using Windows 10 on a late 2014 model Mac Mini.

I think it's the Intel 5100 chipset and/or the drivers Apple provides.

Perhaps someone will one day try the Intel chipset other than me

metac · « **Reply #448 on:** March 12, 2016, 08:33:28 am »

Quote from: TheShoe on March 11, 2016, 10:01:44 pm

Damn. i'll have to chalk this up to using Windows 10 on a late 2014 model Mac Mini.

I think it's the Intel 5100 chipset and/or the drivers Apple provides.

Perhaps someone will one day try the Intel chipset other than me

pretty much identical issues for me too, using a intel d54250wyk nuc (i5 ~ i3 desktop). Win10, latest HD5000 drivers, latest LAV/MadVR.

It starts OK (in 3D) for about 5 seconds then stutters badly then crashes MC 21 after a minute or two.

OSD report shows the various queues don't fill at all. Tried lowest settings for everything. Plus FSE on/off/D3D11 sync/alternate glitch in all combos. To be fair D3D11 isnt that great for 2D either, CPU/GPU queues need to be larger for smooth playback, but then forward/skip don't work too well.

No hardware acceleration is the key I think Hendrik mentioned earlier.

As a reference, powerdvd 13 works fine. but its powerdvd...

madshi · « **Reply #449 on:** March 12, 2016, 08:42:02 am »

If the decoder queue doesn't fill, that means the CPU is too slow for decoding, and that's the key bottleneck. The other queues can't fill if the decoder queue is empty.

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