Topic: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business (Read 68042 times)

AndrewFG · « **Reply #50 on:** February 25, 2016, 06:59:16 am »

Is it possible for MC to record from the HDMI output of a hardware player?

blgentry · « **Reply #51 on:** February 25, 2016, 07:00:36 am »

While this bothers me philosophically, this does *not* signal the end of being able to rip BD or DVD discs at all. Unless I'm missing something? Won't other software, like MakeMKV, just continue to work essentially forever despite this bad news?

The sky does not seem to be falling in BD ripping land.

Brian.

Hendrik · « **Reply #52 on:** February 25, 2016, 07:10:06 am »

Quote from: blgentry on February 25, 2016, 07:00:36 am

While this bothers me philosophically, this does *not* signal the end of being able to rip BD or DVD discs at all. Unless I'm missing something? Won't other software, like MakeMKV, just continue to work essentially forever despite this bad news?

Of course, both MakeMKV and DVDFab Passkey continue to exist and work. But its still a sign that they are actively pushing for those products to disappear. If they succeed for those is another matter, MakeMKV seems to be Russian and DVDFab is Chinese, so how much muscle the US industry has onto them is something that remains to be seen.

Personally I find it ridiculous that the movie industry won't just finally get a clue and stop with the DRM cat and mouse battle. I wonder how many millions they could save. The music industry mostly accepted that fact now, why not movies as well.

greynolds · « **Reply #53 on:** February 25, 2016, 07:11:00 am »

Quote from: AndrewFG on February 25, 2016, 06:59:16 am

Is it possible for MC to record from the HDMI output of a hardware player?

Certainly not without something in between that bypasses HDCP. Once you get past the HDCP obstacle, you would be capturing an uncompressed video stream, which would result in HUGE files. To get back to somewhere around the size of the files on the original Bluray disk, you would need to encode the uncompressed video, which means the quality (while probably still very good) is going to be reduced. Encoding the audio live, while capturing, would definitely mean a signficant reduction in quality as higher quality wouldn't be able to keep up with the live stream. The audio stream would have issues too - you would only be able to capture whatever audio track is currently playing, so you wouldn't be able to keep other audio tracks in the resulting capture. This would also be a lot slower than the current ripping process as it would have to happen in real time - 2 hours to capture a 2 hour movie instead of something like 15-20 minutes.

CountryBumkin · « **Reply #54 on:** February 25, 2016, 07:36:45 am »

That is sort of what I do with the Hauppauge Colossus. I use a cheap HDMI splitter (which by-passes HDCP) to feed the output of FireTV (Amazon Prime/Netflix) to my display and the Colossus. I can record up to 1080i.
It works fairly well, but I sometimes get audio sync issues, which is probably fixable although I haven't spent enough time trying.

greynolds · « **Reply #55 on:** February 25, 2016, 07:46:10 am »

Quote from: CountryBumkin on February 25, 2016, 07:36:45 am

That is sort of what I do with the Hauppauge Colossus. I use a cheap HDMI splitter (which by-passes HDCP) to feed the output of FireTV (Amazon Prime/Netflix) to my display and the Colossus. I can record up to 1080i.
It works fairly well, but I sometimes get audio sync issues, which is probably fixable although I haven't spent enough time trying.

What capabilities does that have for audio? Can it capture Dolby True HD bitstreams, for example, or does the audio get re-encoded to something that's reduced in quality (very important if the new Atmos / DTS:X / Auro 3D formats are part of the audio on the disc being played)? But recording up to 1080i sort of illustrates my point - you're not going to end up with the original quality of the Bluray you're trying to capture (if the source is a Bluray player instead of the FireTV).

CountryBumkin · « **Reply #56 on:** February 25, 2016, 08:57:14 am »

My Colossus is old technology now. But for audio it records AC-3 5.1.
The newer "Colossus 2" records up to 1080p30 (also AC-3 5.1) and DTS is not supported.

This is not a solution. Just another tool.

greynolds · « **Reply #57 on:** February 25, 2016, 09:04:04 am »

Quote from: CountryBumkin on February 25, 2016, 08:57:14 am

My Colossus is old technology now. But for audio it records AC-3 5.1.
The newer "Colossus 2" records up to 1080p30 (also AC-3 5.1) and DTS is not supported.

So it sounds like in addition to re-encoding the video, it re-encodes the audio, which is what I suspected.

Quote from: CountryBumkin on February 25, 2016, 08:57:14 am

This is not a solution. Just another tool.

Understood, I was mostly just curious.

CountryBumkin · « **Reply #58 on:** February 25, 2016, 09:10:12 am »

Some new info about AnyDVD

from: http://www.myce.com/news/slysoft-developer-anydvd-will-continue-to-work-78688/

AnyDVD (HD) uses a so called “Online Protection Database” (OPD) that contains information about discs that helps the software to remove the copy protection from them. Now Slysoft has closed down, the OPD can be taken offline any moment. Nevertheless, without the OPD the software is able to continue to work. Below an overview posted by the Slysoft developer on what will work and what won’t.

•DVDs: All DVDs should continue work. OPD is only used to speed up things, it is optional.

•HD-DVDs: All work.

•Blu-Ray AACS: AnyDVD contains data for roughly 130000 discs, these will continue to work. Discs not included in AnyDVD will need the OPD. OPD results will be cached locally, if you copy the cache, you can move it to another PC.

•Blu-Ray BD+, 20th Century Fox: Recent discs (1-2 years?) need OPD. Older titles work. OPD results will be cached locally, if you copy the cache, you can move it to another PC.

•Blu-Ray Java protection (mostly Lionsgate): Recent discs (1 year?) need OPD. Older titles work. OPD results are not cached.

•Blu-ray cinavia: Will continue to work with current players & software.

AndrewFG · « **Reply #59 on:** February 25, 2016, 10:29:12 am »

Quote from: CountryBumkin on February 25, 2016, 07:36:45 am

Colossus

Brilliant trade name. (If you know anything about the history of crypto..)

SamuriHL · « **Reply #60 on:** February 25, 2016, 12:00:41 pm »

I can confirm that after patching up my hosts file I was able to decrypt a new movie that I wasn't able to decrypt before. This is because AnyDVD can now connect with the OPD and download the necessary file. That's added to the cache which should be backed up for future use.

cavediver · « **Reply #61 on:** February 25, 2016, 12:08:20 pm »

Quote from: SamuriHL on February 25, 2016, 12:00:41 pm

I can confirm that after patching up my hosts file I was able to decrypt a new movie that I wasn't able to decrypt before. This is because AnyDVD can now connect with the OPD and download the necessary file. That's added to the cache which should be backed up for future use.

And where is that cache file located in Windows 7?

SamuriHL · « **Reply #62 on:** February 25, 2016, 12:09:10 pm »

You'll find it in programdata if you look for it.

CountryBumkin · « **Reply #63 on:** February 25, 2016, 12:11:34 pm »

Does that cache contain all 130,000 keys or just the ones for the specific movies you ~~decrypted~~ own and rip or play?

cavediver · « **Reply #64 on:** February 25, 2016, 12:13:24 pm »

Quote from: SamuriHL on February 25, 2016, 12:09:10 pm

You'll find it in programdata if you look for it.

I found it. I had to change to show hidden folders. Thanks.

SamuriHL · « **Reply #65 on:** February 25, 2016, 12:14:54 pm »

People have a very big misconception of how AnyDVD works. When a version is released, it contains ALL the AACS keys for movies in the database at the time of release. However, AACS is not the end of the story. BD+ protections require replacement sequences and AnyDVD can do older ones without the OPD. New discs will require the OPD to download the replacement segment information. That then gets cached. The stupid screen pass protections are also cached, as well. So there are some things that are built in when you update AnyDVD, other things that still need the OPD.

jmone · « **Reply #66 on:** February 26, 2016, 03:38:43 pm »

FYI - one thing about DVD Fab's passkey is that it does not create a disc.inf file containing the "good" playlist info that MC supports like AnyDVD does. I've opened a thread on their site - http://forum.dvdfab.cn/showthread.php?t=28785

SamuriHL · « **Reply #67 on:** February 26, 2016, 03:41:11 pm »

GLWT LOL

RD James · « **Reply #68 on:** February 26, 2016, 04:05:39 pm »

That assumes there are even going to be meaningful updates to DVDFab now.
Slysoft have said for a while now that they suspected DVDFab and MakeMKV to be using their data for decryption since they coincidentally always released their updates for new discs shortly after AnyDVD updated.
Fengtao Software apparently also made an agreement with AACS-LA (what!?) to say that they'll never try to decrypt AACS2.0 for UHD.

Just seems like a really weird situation.
Announcing that they won't decrypt AACS 2.0, while still selling a product that decrypts AACS?

greynolds · « **Reply #69 on:** February 26, 2016, 05:00:25 pm »

Quote from: RD James on February 26, 2016, 04:05:39 pm

Fengtao Software apparently also made an agreement with AACS-LA (what!?) to say that they'll never try to decrypt AACS2.0 for UHD.

Just seems like a really weird situation.
Announcing that they won't decrypt AACS 2.0, while still selling a product that decrypts AACS?

Just a guess, but that could be a simple case of give and take: "don't take actions to shut down our existing product and we won't try to crack AACS 2.0".

Let's all hope that the claims that DVDFab and MakeMKV were relying on AnyDVD for updates is false, as that wouldn't be good for any of us.

jmone · « **Reply #70 on:** February 26, 2016, 05:36:40 pm »

I doubt we will ever know the full story behind all of this.... but it probably does not matter, all these silly DRM attempts have been broken to date and no doubt will be in the future. Imagine the $ the studios could have saved over the years (plus the aggravation to users). I'd hate to be a DRM salesperson pitching to the studios, what are they going to say "This time it will be different"?

Now to the practical part as this could be a PITA in the short term. I better go through my physical disks and make sure I've not left anything unripped!

Quote from: SamuriHL on February 26, 2016, 03:41:11 pm

GLWT LOL

Why not? - it looks like it is a 1:1 copy already, but they just missed a bit!

RoderickGI · « **Reply #71 on:** February 26, 2016, 06:14:33 pm »

I tried to play a rented BD+ video in MC last night. DVDfab failed to decrypt it, but didn't report anything initially. Eventually I found a different way to try to open the BD, and got a message saying that the disk used BD+ which encryption isn't supported at this time.

I had to use PowerDVD 12, which was recently automatically updated from my old PowerDVD 10 which came with my optical drive. Audio kept slipping out of sync so bad that I had to stop and restart playback at least six times during the movie. Not happy.

jmone · « **Reply #72 on:** February 26, 2016, 06:22:10 pm »

What was the Disc?

RoderickGI · « **Reply #73 on:** February 26, 2016, 06:31:15 pm »

Maze Runner: The Scorch Trials

jmone · « **Reply #74 on:** February 26, 2016, 06:51:49 pm »

Tested my version. AnyDVD and MakeMKV were fine with it. DVDFab could not decode my version either, but they do have a user thread reporting it.

Awesome Donkey · « **Reply #75 on:** February 26, 2016, 07:00:31 pm »

Quote from: RD James on February 26, 2016, 04:05:39 pm

Slysoft have said for a while now that they suspected DVDFab and MakeMKV to be using their data for decryption since they coincidentally always released their updates for new discs shortly after AnyDVD updated.

Ouch, that's not good at all if true.

fitbrit · « **Reply #76 on:** February 26, 2016, 10:13:38 pm »

Anyone know where I can get the last update. I was late getting it because I didn't know this was happening. I expected Slysoft to be around forever.

jmone · « **Reply #77 on:** February 26, 2016, 11:15:07 pm »

http://files01.techspot.com/temp/SetupAnyDVD7690.exe

fitbrit · « **Reply #78 on:** February 27, 2016, 12:17:22 am »

Thanks very much!

SamuriHL · « **Reply #79 on:** February 27, 2016, 10:37:08 am »

There is a STRONG suspicion that passkey uses a lot of...technology....from Slysoft. Now that Slysoft is gone, we'll see if passkey can "keep up" with new protections. They'll get their chance to shine soon enough. I own DVDFab lifetime license and there is a clone mode in that so I can make ISO's with it. Plus MakeMKV. I'm not sure MakeMKV uses any Slysoft tech as they'd be able to handle screen pass by now if they did.

CountryBumkin · « **Reply #80 on:** February 27, 2016, 01:29:37 pm »

MakeMKV doesn't like DVDFab

I haven't heard the term "MacTheRipper" before. I just have PassKey installed.

Hendrik · « **Reply #81 on:** February 27, 2016, 01:45:04 pm »

Quote from: CountryBumkin on February 27, 2016, 01:29:37 pm

MakeMKV doesn't like DVDFab

It also warns about running AnyDVD, so nothing new?

greynolds · « **Reply #82 on:** February 27, 2016, 02:54:45 pm »

Quote from: CountryBumkin on February 27, 2016, 01:29:37 pm

I haven't heard the term "MacTheRipper" before. I just have PassKey installed.

That's Jack the Ripper's evil twin... 😀

kalston · « **Reply #83 on:** February 27, 2016, 04:10:39 pm »

Wow, this hurts. I'm not one to rip all my BDs since I don't have that much HDD storage so this might mean I could even be unable to decrypt some of my old discs (there's some I haven't played for a while and I have formatted since). The lifetime license seemed a bit pricey at the time (I think I paid 200€ or so) but boy have I gotten my money's worth out of it with the countless BDs I bought or rented over the years...

jmone · « **Reply #84 on:** February 27, 2016, 04:12:27 pm »

https://forum.slysoft.com/threads/no-fox-no-job-no-future.68331/

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We (developers and admins) had a few chat conferences this week and we came to the conclusion that if we have the backup of the community, we might consider to continue the development on our own.

Any (on topic) feedback is greatly appreciated.

I've added my 2cents (well it will be more than that) in their thread.

jmone · « **Reply #85 on:** March 01, 2016, 01:03:09 am »

The RedFox rises...

Forum ported to a new domain but....

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It will take a few weeks until we can supply a complete infrastructure including key servers, new releases, support.

JeTie · « **Reply #86 on:** March 01, 2016, 09:30:48 am »

Quote from: jmone on February 26, 2016, 11:15:07 pm

http://files01.techspot.com/temp/SetupAnyDVD7690.exe

Thanks, as well. AnyDVD HD is still available in this repository (look into Video & Audio).
Yesterday, when I looked into this topic, I'm pretty sure someone posted checksums for v7.6.9.0 but its gone ?
Can someone else possibly help out?
Thanks in advance.

SamuriHL · « **Reply #87 on:** March 01, 2016, 09:32:29 am »

Quote from: JeTie on March 01, 2016, 09:30:48 am

Thanks, as well. AnyDVD HD is still available in this repository (look into Video & Audio).
Yesterday, when I looked into this topic, I'm pretty sure someone posted checksums for v7.6.9.0 but its gone ?
Can someone else possibly help out?
Thanks in advance.

CRC32: DFE28648
MD5: A01302BA579A8065FB0737A27532D4C3
SHA-1: FFEF06F772D126288B2CF14CE47517E6F3BEA242

Not that it matters much....that version is old....or should be by today or tomorrow.

jmone · « **Reply #88 on:** March 01, 2016, 04:06:59 pm »

- https://forum.redfox.bz/threads/anydvd-hd-7-6-9-1-released.68381/

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AnyDVD reborn! SlySoft is dead, long live RedFox!

mojave · « **Reply #89 on:** March 01, 2016, 04:20:21 pm »

That is great news!

SamuriHL · « **Reply #90 on:** March 01, 2016, 10:25:25 pm »

Indeed it is. I for one am absolutely elated by this turn of events. That being said, I will say this...let this be a lesson to all of you who slacked off on the updates. At the very least keep the very latest build, whatever it is, downloaded if not installed.

Trumpetguy · « **Reply #91 on:** March 02, 2016, 04:13:42 am »

Quote from: jmone on March 01, 2016, 04:06:59 pm

- https://forum.redfox.bz/threads/anydvd-hd-7-6-9-1-released.68381/

And they just got a new, registered redfox forum user

Matt · « **Reply #92 on:** March 02, 2016, 06:44:03 am »

I was going to ask for a link to download the last AnyDVD (unfortunately) and then this popped up:
https://forum.redfox.bz/download/

That last release date is from yesterday!

SamuriHL · « **Reply #93 on:** March 02, 2016, 07:29:33 am »

Yup. That is an interim release. They're hard at work on getting everything back up and running under the new name.

JimH · « **Reply #94 on:** March 04, 2016, 06:20:28 am »

Split Digital Rights Management

Awesome Donkey · « **Reply #95 on:** April 05, 2016, 03:38:34 pm »

Huh, AnyDVD lifetime licenses not going to be honored past April 30th?

https://forum.redfox.bz/threads/redfox-addresses-slysoft-license-concerns.68578/

gvanbrunt · « **Reply #96 on:** April 05, 2016, 03:55:21 pm »

As a Lifetime purchaser that is unfortunate. However, I guess it is lifetime since Slysoft died...

Have to wait and see how good a deal they are offering to existing owners.

Sesam · « **Reply #97 on:** April 05, 2016, 04:22:16 pm »

This was was to be expected as Slysoft has closed doors and AnyDVD is discontinued. RedFox is no longer technically the same product or company (even though it appears to be most of the old crew). While this disappoints my wallet, at the same time I think it is for the best of continued development.

It appears they will be offering some kind of discount/deal for existing license owners (presumably lifetime licenses will no longer be offered). Lifetime licenses never have made any business sense, it is short term profit that kills the company and product in the long run. Someone must be paying the bills for servers and further development.

Matt · « **Reply #98 on:** May 23, 2016, 10:06:01 am »

They just released version 8.0 and my license that has "Free updates until 9/26/2017" stopped working.

Kind of a bummer!

tls62dk · « **Reply #99 on:** May 23, 2016, 10:14:47 am »

Yeah, it is. But on the other hand this software is so important to me that I bought a new license yesterday. Fingers crossed that they stay in business for a long time.

The discount benefits all users, not just Slysoft customers. It kind of make sense, that a new company cannot be expected to honor a license from another company. I also had a lifetime license with Slysoft. Redfox offers the same which is the one I got.

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