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[LETRA]

Hi. There are a couple of suggestions that I would make. The first I would like to use Mission Control with JRiver. Fortunately I have two monitors and I can maximize a window, but I think this is a major problem if you have only one monitor.

The second suggestion is to incorporate a new gray skin that has the look of OSX. No need to be perfect. But it's very ugly that the first impression is that JRiver installing a Windows application. And there is no way to find a skin that is harmonious with the system. I think there are some Mac-like version of Windows and Mac users we need that aesthetic improvement to be more comfortable with the app.

Thanks and regards.

[Awesome Donkey]

The second suggestion is to incorporate a new gray skin that has the look of OSX. No need to be perfect. But it's very ugly that the first impression is that JRiver installing a Windows application. And there is no way to find a skin that is harmonious with the system. I think there are some Mac-like version of Windows and Mac users we need that aesthetic improvement to be more comfortable with the app.

You can accomplish this by using a different skin, like ModernCards. I have modded ModernCards skins in white, grey (like OS X) and dark skins, which I'll try to upload later today when I have more time.

[LETRA]

Thanks Are you going to update the application? Or is this possible externally installed in the Mac version?

[xtraktz]

I think it's wrong to advise use external skins.  I know some people who were removed MC after first look. It is not normally sold in each new version the same ugly XP style skin package.

[LETRA]

I think it's wrong to advise use external skins.  I know some people who were removed MC after first look. It is not normally sold in each new version the same ugly XP style skin package.

100% agreement

[blgentry]

External skins are supported.  External skins work.

Is your objection that the "out of the box experience" should be more Mac like?  If so, I guess I mostly agree with you.  The JRiver out of the box look definitely is not Mac-Like.  When I first got JRiver MC I didn't want to like it because it was relatively ugly by comparison to other music player apps.  So I know what you mean.  I kept with it and eventually tried other skins and found ones that I like better.  Now my everyday skin looks NOTHING like a Mac type skin that's all grey and shiny. 

...and yes, it would probably be better if there were a more Mac-Like skin included out of the box so new users would see something familiar and comfortable.

Anyway, don't be resistant to using new skins.  I haven't found any so far that were any kind of problem.  Just install them (which is just copying files) and use them.  If you don't like them, use another.  If both of you guys are very into the "Mac Look", you might like one of the Fusion X skins. They are VERY itunes-like.

http://maverick07x.deviantart.com/art/JRiver-FusionX2-189672324
http://maverick07x.deviantart.com/art/JRiver-FusionX3-278840579
http://maverick07x.deviantart.com/art/JRiver-FusionX4-365712885

Brian.

[blgentry]

The first I would like to use Mission Control with JRiver. Fortunately I have two monitors and I can maximize a window, but I think this is a major problem if you have only one monitor.

What can you not do with Mission Control and MC that you'd like to do?  I've tested it and you can assign MC to a Desktop just like any other program.  Just drag and drop it from the main Mission Control interface screen.

Brian.

[LETRA]

Thanks for the links and commentary. Yes, I understand. I'm JRiver user since version 18 and Linux and Mac version from the 20. Master License also. Just I didn't know I had to consult the forum to learn how to install skins because the program can't install the standard mjp package. I agree that this causes very bad impression to other Mac users. The default skins are all horrible, except for a couple. The user can search new skins but it will be difficult to find a message in a forum to tell you how. Along the way many clients of this program are lost. Those who recommend JRiver know what the complaints are. Only heroes arrive at the end of the road (paid) for a version of JRiver for Mac

[LETRA]

What can you not do with Mission Control and MC that you'd like to do?  I've tested it and you can assign MC to a Desktop just like any other program.  Just drag and drop it from the main Mission Control interface screen.

Brian.

I can create a new desktop and assign it, but I can't maximize the window like a space mission control. My setup is El Capitan with two monitors LG Ultrawide & Mac Mini 2102 with I7, 16GB RAM and Intel HD 4000 Graphics.

[blgentry]

but I can't maximize the window like a space mission control.

What does that mean?  My MC, in it's own desktop, can be maximized to take up the whole screen just by pressing the green button to maximize it.

Are you complaining that MC doesn't support Mac's native "full screen" function, which automatically puts full screen apps in their own desktop?  Or is there something else I'm missing?

Brian.

[LETRA]

I said from the beginning that I maximize the window on the desktop. But the window doesn't become a space for space control.

[xtraktz]

JRemote has a wonderful stylish design and interface. eg. Not-mac-style is not a big problem.., you understand me, I know

[blgentry]

I said from the beginning that I maximize the window on the desktop. But the window doesn't become a space for space control.

You did.  We have a small language barrier, but I'm understanding 95% of what you're saying so that's good. 

What's the big deal about this?  Just press F3 to bring up mission control, then drag MC to it's own desktop.  Done.  ...and it stays that way.

Brian.

[LETRA]

You did.  We have a small language barrier, but I'm understanding 95% of what you're saying so that's good. 

What's the big deal about this?  Just press F3 to bring up mission control, then drag MC to it's own desktop.  Done.  ...and it stays that way.

Brian.

Brian thanks for the explanation. I will try to explain it better. You can create a new desktop but can't create a new space. The difference is that the window is maximized but not fullscreen. The menu bar is visible, for example. This happens in my system. Maybe it's not in your test.

[Awesome Donkey]

The menu bar will be visible regardless, MC doesn't support the fullscreen stuff.

[blgentry]

You can create a new desktop but can't create a new space. The difference is that the window is maximized but not fullscreen.

OK, I see.  Spaces and Desktops are the same thing though.  You're describing a full Mac specific screen behavior.

The menu bar is visible, for example. This happens in my system. Maybe it's not in your test.

This happens on my system too.  MC doesn't have a "full screen Mac mode" where it hides the title bar and menus.

I guess I can see why this might be nice.  It's just a tiny little bit of extra screen display, but I understand that other apps support this feature.  I never use it with other apps.  Doesn't seem like it gains me anything.  But that's just me.

I understand what you're asking for now.  It's up the dev team to decide if they think this is a good feature for MC or not.  Maybe you can illustrate how this feature is helpful to you or others to help the developers to see why it would be good.

Brian.

[Awesome Donkey]

I released some modified Modern Cards Mac-esk skins.

http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=83217.msg739232#msg739232

Obviously there's no scaling or retina support. I added install instructions to the post.

[LETRA]

I understand what you're asking for now.  It's up the dev team to decide if they think this is a good feature for MC or not.  Maybe you can illustrate how this feature is helpful to you or others to help the developers to see why it would be good.

It is an aesthetic and practical. No need to explain why it is aesthetic. OSX has its own guidelines for developers, who make the system harmonic, unlike Windows and Linux. Mac users highly appreciate the aesthetic appearance. It is a practical matter if you have a 13-inch Macbook and menubar detracts a little size. And it's handy if you want the application to be opened to run in its own predetermined space. When I open JRiver running on the monitor 1. I have to move the window to monitor 2, maximize and, as you say, create a new desktop space to clear at least one desk on the second monitor. However if JRiver compatible with Mission Control to open the application window would run directly in its own right monitor, predetermined fullscreen space.

[LETRA]

I released some modified Modern Cards Mac-esk skins.

http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=83217.msg739232#msg739232

Obviously there's no scaling or retina support. I added install instructions to the post.

Thank you. They are very pretty. Hopefully these three and Dark Edition be the default application skins.

[blgentry]

OSX has its own guidelines for developers, who make the system harmonic, unlike Windows and Linux. Mac users highly appreciate the aesthetic appearance.

I understand.

And it's handy if you want the application to be opened to run in its own predetermined space. When I open JRiver running on the monitor 1. I have to move the window to monitor 2, maximize and, as you say, create a new desktop space to clear at least one desk on the second monitor.

You keep saying "space" and "desktop", but now you're saying monitor.  You can assign MC to a specific Desktop through the right click menu on the dock.  Tell it which desktop to be assigned to and it will open in that desktop every time.  I believe you can also set the option to open in a specific desktop ON a specific monitor.  I don't have two monitors, so I'm not 100% sure.

Anyway, I guess I won't pursue this any more.  Good luck.

Brian.

[Awesome Donkey]

Thank you. They are very pretty. Hopefully these three and Dark Edition be the default application skins.

Doubtful on the three mods of mine, since they lack scaling/retina support. I think John got permission from Dirhael to add the official dark edition of the skin, but it won't be the default skin (Noire is on all platforms). If a light version of the skin was created and released, I could then use those as a basis of modding while maintaining scaling/retina support.

[LETRA]

Hope so. And I hope to withdraw these optional skins Windows 95 style 

[JimH]

You skipped Win98.

[LETRA]

You skipped Win98.

It's a service pack of Windows 95 ^

[Awesome Donkey]

Hope so. And I hope to withdraw these optional skins Windows 95 style 

If you're talking about the default Noire skin, in my opinion it looks best on Windows 7 but not so much on 8.x and 10. On OS X though, to me, it looks fine - same as Linux. However I use custom skins to help gain a more native look and feel so I can understand the argument. However, fortunately, having the ability to add additional third-party skins is pretty nice!

[LETRA]

I speak of Aruba, Blue Steel, Green Eyes, Z, and other little better as Pixos and Thunder Storm. Any Mac user will reject it immediately. Windows and Linux users are accustomed to any non-harmonic interface. The Mac user sees JRiver a couple of minutes and it is impossible to convince him that it is the best media player on any operating system. Obviously none will search the forum as changing those skins. What the app default dresses is supposed to be the best for their users.

Work on the software can be very good. But the design makes it look better and more professional other worse options.

[JimH]

You've made the same point several times now.

Aesthetics are very personal.  There is no right or wrong.  What you love someone else may hate.

Apple has a reputation for using good design.  In general, I agree.

Microsoft has a reputation for being more open, providing more choices.

JRiver has a reputation for providing quality software and helping to lead the evolution of digital media.

We're not gods who can guess what you will like and set it up that way for you.  We solve the problem by giving you choices whenever we can.  You have a variety of skins to choose from.

You are proposing that we change the default skin, and we have discussed that.

You could play a little music now.

[Grundgütigster]

Letra is not complaining about the possibilites of changing the skins of MC. Mac users are used to work with programs that have a certain look and feel which MC definitely does not have. Programs used to follow the Apple GUI guidelines - at least in Apple's better years (now even Apple can't find them any more). So, Mac-users don't know that the skin of MC can be changed, hence they see MC, scream, and run away.