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[Pink Waters]

is there any chance for media server to use peer to peer connection and connects all people running it shares media liberary through it..
so anyone can find media to listen/download on all connected media liberaries through the P2P !?

just an idea

[KingSparta]

if your talking about shareing files "No"

media server did at one time when they were beta testing "Music01" a music service.

they did not like the agreement that the music companies were offering

[Pink Waters]

So no hope king ?

[KingSparta]

JimH was talking once and basicly said untill the big 5 change the way they license the music, answer: no

JimH likes to spend more than 1 hour in the yard, in the state pen thats all they give you.

no wine, no cheese, no sailing etc...

[JimH]

And the gray uniforms....

I've been thinking about the old Music01 and whether we might be able to make a similar service work now.  It would be interesting to hear your thoughts.

The licensing rules determine what can be done.  My view is that they are slowly but steadily becoming more reasonable.

Here's what we could offer now (I think).

A series of web pages that showed other members and let you connect to their libraries.

The ability to preview (play 30 seconds or less) any track.

The ability to choose music and play it as a stream.  This might be somewhat limited initially since there are some rules in the licensing that prevent playing whole albums "on demand".

It would initially be a "radio" only service but later might allow downloads.

It would initially be somewhat limited since the licenses would need to be added one record label at a time.  Some tracks in members libraries would be unavailable (except for preview) in the beginning, but it would start with around 200,000 tracks.

Do you think this might be worth a small monthly fee?  

[KingSparta]

As 30 Second Previews if they would be free to J river. there should be nothing to stop that happening.

if you added a way for a user to search for and buy that album would they not allow you a better license?

Could they maybe swing a 25% or 50% preview since some songs are just getting started at 30 seconds.

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what about something for the user who shares

A user who streams more tracks may get a T-shirt or something else.

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Should they share files with out the tags filled in (album, artist, song name as a min) my answer is no.

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artists that wish to put there music up for sharing would need to sign agreement with J river. and J river could sell the tracks and taking there cut the rest going to the artist.

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what to basic non registered users get?

and users who bought the jukebox? (long preview, discount on track buys over non registered users)

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about J river radio, MusicMatch does this rather well (i thought). i am not sure what the price would be.

[Pink Waters]

The ability to preview (play 30 seconds or less) any track.

Your talking is kinda Rhapsody

[zevele10]

Hey!
I remember it also.
In fact i downloaded only one album : a live Son Volt botlteg.
But it was nice to have a look at what others on Interact had in they collections.

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It would initially be somewhat limited since the licenses would need to be added one record label at a time
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How can you manage with collections like mine?
A lot of labels not existing anymore , small labels from around the word , riped LPs and so on?

I mean if it is to be able to listen to the new Madona or U2 that XZF just got ,i do not see the point.[except if you can make some money]

If to listen to some of your obscure salsa albums ,to some rare jazz lps riped by Harry the Hipster
Some Stones boots from CMagic, some really unknow brasilian music from Michel in this case ,it is just great.
But how can you manage license to such a stuff?

[JimH]

How can you manage with collections like mine?
A lot of labels not existing anymore , small labels from around the word , riped LPs and so on?

We would probably have to screen each library and mark the files that we had licenses for.  

What we'd do next is not completely clear.  We could  allow any licensed file to be played.  The problem is what to do with the files that aren't licensed.  We could let a user preview any file, I think.  We could seek permission to pay a per song royalty into a general fund that another organization (ASCAP, for example) could pay to rights holders.  It's messy, but possible.

We could probably also allow a limited ability for a user to vouch for the fact that they had the right to share  files because they "owned them" (an artist, for example), but it would need to be tightly controlled and allow spot-check audits.

[lee269]

Do I understand this? Are we sharing our libraries somehow as a MediaServer community? Or a JRiver megaMediaServer? Ive never tried Rhapsody. Im generally more interested in buying and owning music rather than paying for streaming, but Ill admit to having fun exploring KingSpartas library for golden oldies in the past.

More questions than answers though - Id like to know more about your thinking here.

Im on an ADSL connection. 288/576 up/download line kbps according to my PC. What if Im serving to a user and simultaneously streaming from a remote library? Enough bandwidth? Should I leave my PC on 24/7? Would I have to subscribe for a long period, or could I buy a nights worth of time for a party?

So many questions. Im intrigued though.

[JimH]

Do I understand this? Are we sharing our libraries somehow as a MediaServer community?

We did exactly that as a test on Music01 about a year and a half ago.  It worked pretty well but the licenses weren't available on good terms so we ended the test.

Ive never tried Rhapsody. Im generally more interested in buying and owning music rather than paying for streaming, but Ill admit to having fun exploring KingSpartas library for golden oldies in the past.

I think both are valid things to do, but streaming might be easier to license right now so we might be able to offer it inexpensively.  Downloads are coming, too.

Im on an ADSL connection. 288/576 up/download line kbps according to my PC. What if Im serving to a user and simultaneously streaming from a remote library? Enough bandwidth?

Usually, since it's not common to have someone streaming.  You could control how many users and at what bandwidth on the server side.  You could also terminate connections.

Should I leave my PC on 24/7?

Probably.

Would I have to subscribe for a long period, or could I buy a nights worth of time for a party?

I hadn't thought about that.  We might be able to sell it by the hour like a pre-paid phone card.

For now, this is completely speculative.  I'm just interested in what people think.

[AndyCircuit]

ok, i do run a 2k server in my basement 24/7 so that's no problem. But almost all of my music is vbr high and my  DSL is 768/128. Can't work, right? Another thing: What happens if the upstream works but is close to limit and my wife means to send an email with a large attachment?
BTW for the first time since two years i have trouble with my DSL. It temporaly slowed down to acoustic coupler speed. Say i can't ensure stable upload
AC

[lee269]

I guess my setup probably rules me out as a provider (no dedicated server, not on 24/7 etc) but I think the world can live without my pathetic 4000 files. If I was to be a provider, Id be keen to know exactly what I was committing to, in terms of uptime, tagging/encoding etc.

As a listener, its an interesting idea, though. Although I listen to music a lot, theres a fair bit of dead time where I feel Id be paying for streaming but not making use of it. Of course its no different to cable/sat TV - but I dont subscribe to that either Im happier with the emusic model where I download in chunks and listen at leisure. Im generally wary about signing up for 'long' periods, and so Id be much more likely to go for a weeks trial etc. But pricing of course is a factor here.

Ive never used p2p, so I dont have many terms of reference here.

[nila]

I personally dont think I'd go for it but thats just the way I listen to my music - I usually go more by recommendation rather than just sampling music and finding out for myself.

I think this would apeal a lot to the type of people who find music by sampling lots - there are plenty of them