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[vijayswami]

Hello everyone,

Thanks in advance for your help.  Is it possible to add my Tidal service into JRiver?  Using JRiver Media Center 22 for Mac

Thanks

[Awesome Donkey]

Not possible on Mac (only somewhat possible on Windows with the Tidal app and JRiver's WDM driver).

Tidal integration within MC is unlikely to happen. Do a search of the forums for more information about this (it's been asked countless times).

[xtraktz]

Very sad. It is needed for 23 version

[Awesome Donkey]

You can do a search of the forums to read more on why Tidal integration likely won't ever happen - there's been a handful of topics discussing it.

[imugli]

You could probably also get network streaming working in Linux, but it wouldn't be MQA.

[churchmouse]

I can stream Qobuz lossless through MC on my Mac via BubbleUPNP Server creating an OpenHome server and then control using the BubbleUPNP app or the Linn Kazoo app. I don't use Tidal, but since both the Bubble and Linn apps allow Tidal sign in, is that route not possible for Tidal streaming?

[robt]

Not possible on Mac (only somewhat possible on Windows with the Tidal app and JRiver's WDM driver).

Tidal integration within MC is unlikely to happen. Do a search of the forums for more information about this (it's been asked countless times).

I cant help but think every time I read this, that a significant number of potential JRiver users seeing this must walk away and look for something else that will do what they want.

I don't use a streaming service, but now there are lossless and even 24 bit streaming services, I think its inevitable that in the future that I will. And if JRiver can't do what I want at that point I too will look elsewhere.

I fully appreciate the reasoning behind all the issues and what it might cost to try and support these services, but how much is it loosing JRiver NOT to support them? As you say, this has been "asked countless times". That should tell you something.

Please don't refer me to the various threads why because I've read them, and they are the past. I'm interested in the future.

[AndyU]

I am similarly disappointed over the lack of Qobuz integration into MC. QoBuz is now offering HiRes streaming up to 24/192, it has a fantastic catalogue, orders of magnitude greater than my collection of rips, but a rubbish interface orders of magnitude worse than my MC configuration. I see Qobuz integrated into other products like Audirvana and LMS, can't quite understand how the MC team can't do the same. Bit confused as to why MC needs to control a light switch but not access musical resources of unimaginable richness.

[blgentry]

I cant help but think every time I read this, that a significant number of potential JRiver users seeing this must walk away and look for something else that will do what they want.[...]
Please don't refer me to the various threads why because I've read them, and they are the past. I'm interested in the future.

If you haven't read the thread or threads in question, here's a quick summary:

JRiver has spent a ton of money on several projects like this and have been faced with their work becoming totally useless.  So it was completely wasted money for them.  In particular, Tidal would not approve the interface that they wrote. So they are stuck in a situation where Tidal won't allow them to integrate and they wasted money doing it.

This also leads to JRiver not wanting to do more projects like this in the future because another company can control their fate.  A simple change of API on the provider end would render JRiver's interface "dead" and useless. ...and if that company isn't willing to work with JRiver, then it's dead forever.

I think what I've said reflects what Jim has said in the past.  I'm sure he will correct me if I'm mischaracterizing his experience and opinion.

I do agree that it's too bad that things are this way.  I personally don't use streaming and likely never will.  I disagree with it in several philosophical ways that I won't bore you with.  But just about everyone I know that likes music is interested in some streaming service.  THey are certainly popular.

Brian.

[imugli]

I think you're correct Brian, and if you read into what Jim has said on a number of occasions, none of these services are yet profitable. I don't think JR want to go down the road of spending the coin (even just for API integration) when a lot of these services are, if we're being honest, eventual takeover targets at best.

[JimH]

We've done about 20 such integrations with services.  None are still in operation.  The customers who commissioned them are some big names like MTV and Best Buy. 

The business terms offered by the record labels don't allow a service to be profitable in the long run.  People like Jay Z seem to operate on the "greater fool" theory, investing with the hope that a bigger fool will come along and pay more for it.  It's happened a number of times, but JRiver won't chase that kind of business.

We'll do it the old fashioned way, by building a steadily better product and providing the best service we can.

[pschelbert]

Hi

right I understand this, these streaming services are nothing stable nor longterm.

A way to integrate any of these or any externa source would be to enhance the "open live" tool.

A suggestion:

Under the "Audio" tab, there could be a categroy like "connected media" where the MC user can configure external inputs, the same as "Open Live" allows, but fixed configurations.

For example:
Input from Windows Audio
Input from ASIO Toslink (audio interface)
Input from ASIO analog (audio interface)

Behind thes inputs can the configuration be Tidal, Qobuz, Spotify etc.

That way you are general purpose and useful for any source.

Peter

[Daverich4]

The business terms offered by the record labels don't allow a service to be profitable in the long run.  People like Jay Z seem to operate on the "greater fool" theory, investing with the hope that a bigger fool will come along and pay more for it.

Maybe that's already happened. Didn't Sprint recently pay $200 million for a THIRD of Tidal?  Not a bad investment for Jay Z who paid $50 something million for ALL of it.

[JimH]

It's not clear how that deal was structured and how much, if any of it, went to the owners and how much went to support their losses.  I'm guessing that it may only have made them solvent, and saved them from bankruptcy. 

[jvandyk]

I was checking out Tidal and couldn't believe the amount of promotion for Jay Z all over it. And way over priced just to get lossless CD quality tracks in my opinion. But if that music scene is your flavor than enjoy!