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[jmone]

When MC24 is released it will just work as MC ships with the latest version of LAV Filters.  If you are using MC23 you need to:
1) Download the latest version of either the 32-Bit or 64-Bit version of Lav from here Zips: 32-bit & 64-bit
2) Extract the contents and copy them into "C:\Users\[username]\AppData\Roaming\J River\Media Center 23\Plugins\lav64" (or just "\lav" if you are using the 32-Bit version of MC)

[RD James]

It's pretty good!  UHD BD that looks better than a stand alone player

I find it very frustrating that I'm locked out of viewing HDR content on my TV, whether that's services like Netflix or video games, when viewing UHD discs via Media Center at 400 nits is a significant improvement over native SDR content even if it's not "true HDR".

[Z0001]

When MC24 is released it will just work as MC ships with the latest version of LAV Filters.  If you are using MC23 you need to:
1) Download the latest version of either the 32-Bit or 64-Bit version of Lav from here Zips: 32-bit & 64-bit
2) Extract the contents and copy them into "C:\Users\[username]\AppData\Roaming\J River\Media Center 23\Plugins\lav64" (or just "\lav" if you are using the 32-Bit version of MC)

Thanks. Successful rip if my blade runner 2049! I'm playing via GPU R9 270 to a 1080p tv, so assuming there is auto downscaling. I'll put the LAV in (presume 64bit for a 64bit system even though I run MC23 in 32bit?) as I noticed it was a bit jumpy.

Any other  tweaks for playback.

Now to save up for a 4k tv!

Thanks
Z

[jmone]

Nope - it you are running 32-Bit MC you need the 32-Bit LAV

[syndromeofadown]

I am hoping to get some general advice on hardware for playing 4K rips.

I can currently play them fine, after changing a couple madvr settings, with the following setup:
- Intel Core i7-4770K Haswell Quad-Core 3.5 GHz LGA 1150 84W
- GeForce GTX 760 2GB 256-Bit GDDR5
- MC 23.102 64bit ROHQ

Is it recommended, or necessary, to be using one of the latest Intel CPU's that are designed for 4K?

Would upgrading to "ASUS Geforce GTX 1050Ti 4GB ROG STRIX OC Edition" while keeping my current CPU be beneficial for my system?

Thanks

[jmone]

Your 760 does not support HW decoding of HEVC (which is what is used on UHD) while the 1050Ti does.  I've got great millage over the years with my HTPCs by just upgrading the GPU every now and again.  For example, my everyday HTPC is still an i7-2600K and last year I upgraded the GPU (again), this time to a 1060 (most powerful I could get for what the Shuttle's PSU could support).  Works great on UHD with ROHQ.

[syndromeofadown]

Thanks jmone.
I will proceed with the GPU upgrade.

[RD James]

It will likely reduce the power consumption, but if your CPU is handling the content just fine, an upgrade isn't necessary.

[jmone]

Also depends on the Algos you want to run in madVR.  They can be very demanding of the GPU.

[rec head]

I agree with the GPU upgrade. My i5 is probably 5 years old and with a new 1060 I'm running UHD rips with some decent settings.

[syndromeofadown]

It will likely reduce the power consumption, but if your CPU is handling the content just fine, an upgrade isn't necessary.

My lights literally dimmed when I watched a 4k rip so I am hoping for reduced power consumption (I'm off grid). I don't think my CPU was handling it well, which is why I had to change some madvr settings. I ordered the new GPU. When I get it in a couple weeks I will post a comparison of my PC resources when using the different GPU's.

Thanks everyone for your input.

[jmone]

GaryWW asked about how to identify UHD Rips in MC.  You could tag them manually, but I've so far:
- VIEW: Created a "UHD" Std and TheaterView with a "Set rules for file Display" of [Dimensions]=[3840 x 2160]
- FILE INFO PANEL:  See Pics but Under Tools--> Options--> TheaterView--> Customise file info panel--> (Select Movie)--> Manage/Edit then added the following expression under "Regular" if(isequal([Dimensions],3840 x 2160),[UHD],)if(isequal([File Type],3d,8),[3D],)[Name]Delimit(Watched(2), , / )

This will then add a [UHD] or [3D] prefeix to the name when in TheaterView views like "Recent"

[apgood]

Instead of making it insert some prefixes is it possible for it to insert a logo like the one inserted for Bluray folder rips?

I would love to be able to put that logo in for my Bluray iso's and maybe uhd one for my uhd tips and then a 3D one for 3D iso's.

I already add tags to all my file names (e.g. [3D] [UHD] [HDR] etc) so would be easy to build the rules.

GaryWW asked about how to identify UHD Rips in MC.  You could tag them manually, but I've so far:
- VIEW: Created a "UHD" Std and TheaterView with a "Set rules for file Display" of [Dimensions]=[3840 x 2160]
- FILE INFO PANEL:  See Pics but Under Tools--> Options--> TheaterView--> Customise file info panel--> (Select Movie)--> Manage/Edit then added the following expression under "Regular" if(isequal([Dimensions],3840 x 2160),[UHD],)if(isequal([File Type],3d,8),[3D],)[Name]Delimit(Watched(2), , / )

This will then add a [UHD] or [3D] prefeix to the name when in TheaterView views like "Recent"

[syndromeofadown]

I ordered the new GPU. When I get it in a couple weeks I will post a comparison of my PC resources when using the different GPU's.

I compared my old GTX760 to my new GTX1050TI playing a 4k rip while connected to 2k monitor. With the 760 MC was using 36% of my CPU and 30% GPU. With the 1050 MC uses 4% CPU and 40% GPU. This is good.

[jmone]

Glad it is working well!

[Z0001]

Hi

So is the 4GB GTX 1050Ti recommended for htpc UHDvplayback? Is there any advantage of going to 1060 3GB or 6GB? I'll really only play back mkv and iso of HD and UHD on the machine. I do like to be able to play old 720 material so that often seems to need a bit more power to make it look decent on a large TV.

Cheers
Z

[rec head]

From what I read the 3GB cards might not have enough ram for 4K so I went with a 6GB. From what I remember the people that actually understand it said 4GB is probably the minimum for 4K but the options are 3 and 6.

[RD James]

From what I read the 3GB cards might not have enough ram for 4K so I went with a 6GB. From what I remember the people that actually understand it said 4GB is probably the minimum for 4K but the options are 3 and 6.

It depends on the settings used, but Windows is reporting about 2GB VRAM usage for me with 4K HDR playback.
With higher queue sizes in madVR, it's going up to about 3GB, so I wouldn't want a 2GB card, but 3GB is probably sufficient.
Always better to have more RAM/VRAM than you need than not enough though.

[Hendrik]

3GB is just on the border of viability, it could run into issues if one isn't very careful, its generally not recommended for 4K playback, unless you want to manually tune everything for low memory availability.

[Z0001]

So either 4gb 1050 ti or 6gb 1060

Anyone reporting the 4gb 1050 ti adequate?

Z

[RoderickGI]

Go the GTX1060 6GB.

That's what I did, mostly for future proofing a bit, and the latest standards. But also because when pushing higher definition video, more memory is better.

[RoderickGI]

Interesting announcement and claim from DVDfab: https://www.dvdfab.cn/news/99

"Other than doing the decryption itself, Fengtao Software has partnered with the Russia based Arusoft who owns the world’s 1st commercial UHD decrypting tool DeUHD. By integrating DeUHD’s decryption technology into its own UHD copy and ripper products, Fengtao Software not only keeps its former promise not to decrypt AACS 2.0 protections, but still can provide a better way for their customers to decrypt 4K Ultra HD discs. Compared to MakeMKV and AnyDVD who are still highly dependent on either the manual update of the leaked AACS 2.0 volume keys from internet or the “secretly borrowed keys from others” to make backups of UHD titles, DVDFab now has worked out a better solution, which as of now, is considered the most reliable and sustainable approach the market has to offer."

From their email to me:
"This means, from decryption to backup/conversion and then to playback, you no longer need to manually update the leaked keys from internet."

[lello]

Excuse the ignorance, but I do not know dvdfab. If I understand correctly, however, it does not work like AnyDVD with which I insert the BD-UHD and he works in the background, but I have to copy it to the hard disk first, right?

[GaryWW]

Is one make or model of 6GB 1060 card better than another for this application?

[RoderickGI]

Is one make or model of 6GB 1060 card better than another for this application?

Probably, but I don't know what you would look for. I picked the NVidia MSI GeForce GTX 1060 GAMING X, 6GB card because of good all around reviews.

[RoderickGI]

If I understand correctly, however, it does not work like AnyDVD with which I insert the BD-UHD and he works in the background, but I have to copy it to the hard disk first, right?

Wrong. DVDfab has a product called Passkey that sits in the background and decrypts DVD and/or Blu-ray as required for playback, on the fly. Exactly the same as AnyDVD.

PS: I note that DVDfab seems to have removed the news article I linked to. Trouble may be afoot!

[rec head]

Is one make or model of 6GB 1060 card better than another for this application?

I have no idea. I went with the one that was available and got an Asus.

[lello]

Wrong. DVDfab has a product called Passkey that sits in the background and decrypts DVD and/or Blu-ray as required for playback, on the fly. Exactly the same as AnyDVD.

PS: I note that DVDfab seems to have removed the news article I linked to. Trouble may be afoot!

But I was talking about BD-UHD and not Blu Ray. So for BDUHD, DVDFab on-the-fly playback it's not good

[jmone]

AFAIK - the only ones that do On The Fly decryption for UHD-BD are AnyDVD and DeUHD

[RoderickGI]

AFAIK - the only ones that do On The Fly decryption for UHD-BD are AnyDVD and DeUHD

But I was talking about BD-UHD and not Blu Ray. So for BDUHD, DVDFab on-the-fly playback it's not good

As per my post above, DVDfab announced they have included DeUHD into their products. However, they have removed the news announcement since I saw it. I still have the email though.

[jmone]

Yeah - something is up with the DVDFab and DeUHD.   Who knows but there was speculation they are the some org....

[mattkhan]

Is one make or model of 6GB 1060 card better than another for this application?

Unlikely to make a difference in performance terms, noise levels will vary though so that may be important to you

[jmone]

FYI - MC24 is now out with UHD Support built in.  I've added a new thread with a summary of where we are at - https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,115314.0.html

I'll now close this one.