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ducatirider

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DSD Issues
« on: October 17, 2017, 09:33:37 am »
I really like the sound quality of the 64 bit version but I am having issues with DSD and DSF bitsreaming.  My DACs are LH Labs Pulse X Infinity and Grace m9xx.  They both worked fine with MC20 32 bit.  I can hear faint sound coming out if I turn up the volume.  Sometimes if I force the output to DSD over Dop in the DSP Studio I can play DSF but not DSD.  I'm very confused.
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Re: DSD Issues
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2017, 10:08:02 am »
I'm not familiar with these DACs but if they use drivers supplied by the vendor I believe you'll need to use the 64bit versions if they are available.. .

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Re: DSD Issues
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2017, 01:48:14 pm »
Quote from: Spike1000 on October 17, 2017, 10:08:02 am
I'm not familiar with these DACs but if they use drivers supplied by the vendor I believe you'll need to use the 64bit versions if they are available.. .

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Thank you. I will try generic asio4all


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Re: DSD Issues
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2017, 02:08:12 pm »
ASIO4ALL isn't true ASIO, it's just a wrapper for kernel streaming.

If ASIO isn't an option (due to lack of 64-bit ASIO drivers) then WASAPI or kernel streaming (without using ASIO4ALL) is what would be recommended.
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Re: DSD Issues
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2017, 02:14:21 pm »
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ducatirider

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DSD Issues
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2017, 03:26:02 pm »
Very strange that when I play dsf the volume does not work
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Re: DSD Issues
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2017, 03:39:19 pm »
Quote from: Awesome Donkey on October 17, 2017, 02:08:12 pm
ASIO4ALL isn't true ASIO, it's just a wrapper for kernel streaming.

If ASIO isn't an option (due to lack of 64-bit ASIO drivers) then WASAPI or kernel streaming (without using ASIO4ALL) is what would be recommended.
I’m using wasapi now. The volume control doesn’t work under dsf. But the sound quality is stunning. Why would dsf work but iso wouldn’t.
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Re: DSD Issues
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2017, 03:51:16 pm »
Bitstreaming means the bits are sent directly to the dac without any modification, including changing the volume. For these types of files, volume has to be changed by the dac/pre-amp/amp. That is how bitstreaming works.
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Re: DSD Issues
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2017, 03:59:51 pm »
Quote from: ducatirider on October 17, 2017, 03:26:02 pm
Very strange that when I play dsf the volume does not work

Try right clicking the speaker icon next to the volume slider and select "Enable Volume When Bitstreaming".
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Re: DSD Issues
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2017, 04:12:19 pm »
Quote from: Awesome Donkey on October 17, 2017, 03:59:51 pm
Try right clicking the speaker icon next to the volume slider and select "Enable Volume When Bitstreaming".

Pretty sure that only works with a very select group of DACs whose drivers allow the volume change information to be passed along to the DAC.
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Re: DSD Issues
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2017, 05:07:32 pm »
Quote from: dtc on October 17, 2017, 04:12:19 pm
Pretty sure that only works with a very select group of DACs whose drivers allow the volume change information to be passed along to the DAC.
True. Didn’t work at all. I’m using generic wasapi now.
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Re: DSD Issues
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2017, 05:38:15 am »
Hi,
I had a similar issue when I migrated from .32 to .64.
In the end I managed to resolve it by uninstalling the dac, restarting, installing the dac driver again and restarting once again.
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Re: DSD Issues
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2017, 08:02:56 am »
Hi,
Funny enough it has just happened again after JRiver has updated to.73
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Re: DSD Issues
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2017, 08:23:28 am »
This actually sounds like the problem I have with DSD bitstreaming when using ASIO.
DSD bitstreaming requires system volume to be at 100% or else I get very faint playback, static, or silence.
Media Center has an option which sets system volume to 100% automatically when using WASAPI, but it is missing from the ASIO options.
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Re: DSD Issues
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2017, 02:43:04 pm »
Quote from: RD James on October 18, 2017, 08:23:28 am
This actually sounds like the problem I have with DSD bitstreaming when using ASIO.
DSD bitstreaming requires system volume to be at 100% or else I get very faint playback, static, or silence.
Media Center has an option which sets system volume to 100% automatically when using WASAPI, but it is missing from the ASIO options.
By system volume do you mean the slider at the top of the menu or the digital volume of the DAC.
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Re: DSD Issues
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2017, 02:58:39 pm »
Hi,
I believe he means the slide at the top of the menu.

Somehow I cannot make it work this time. The “usual installing uninstalling driver tricks” don’t work,
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Re: DSD Issues
« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2017, 07:52:39 pm »
Still not working. Guess I’m going to have to wipe the machine and start over. I only have mc23, fidelizer, and audiophile optimizer on it anyways.
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Re: DSD Issues
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2017, 07:58:06 pm »
Try running without Audiophile Optimizer and Fidelizer.
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Re: DSD Issues
« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2017, 11:48:01 am »
Quote from: JimH on October 18, 2017, 07:58:06 pm
Try running without Audiophile Optimizer and Fidelizer.
Actually audiophile optimizer cannot be uninstalled so I have to try a clean install. Pita really because my original os was windows 8. Hoping w8 to w10 upgrade is still free.
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Re: DSD Issues
« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2017, 11:50:33 am »
AFAIK, you can still upgrade from Windows 8.x to Windows 10 for free by taking a Windows 8.x key and activate it on Windows 10.
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Re: DSD Issues
« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2017, 11:59:11 am »
There's also the free upgrade for assistive technology users:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade
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Re: DSD Issues
« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2017, 01:25:49 pm »
Quote from: ducatirider on October 18, 2017, 02:43:04 pm
By system volume do you mean the slider at the top of the menu or the digital volume of the DAC.
Either the volume control in JRiver set to System Volume, or accessed via the taskbar / volume keys.
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Re: DSD Issues
« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2017, 05:58:09 am »
Hi,
This time in Windows, in Settings/sound settings, the default device and communication device was JRiver and not Speakers(Dac).
I set the Dac as default and dsd working fine now.
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Re: DSD Issues
« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2017, 07:06:39 am »
Oh, that's probably the WDM driver.
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Re: DSD Issues
« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2017, 07:48:25 am »
Yep, it was.
I hadn’t installed it for a few versions and I did it the other day.
I didn’t think it would stop dsd working?,
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Re: DSD Issues
« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2017, 09:25:24 am »
Hi,
I was in contact with ProJect (my DAC manucfaturer) about this dsd issue and I was told Win10 had changed the way external drivers have to be signed and that they were working on a new driver.
Yesterday they sent me the new driver and dsd is back.
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