Topic: CD-ripping "No files found on disc" (Read 4720 times)

flac.rules · « **on:** February 04, 2018, 07:44:18 am »

I have googled some, and there seems to be a lot of trouble with CD/DVD drives on win10. So i am looking for advice, in MC, the CD-drive just shows "no files found on disc" when i insert an audio CD, the drive letter is shown in windows, but EAC can see the files, MC can not. Any tips on how to fix this? (The drives are IDE).

JimH · « **Reply #1 on:** February 04, 2018, 08:23:01 am »

Windows Defender?

flac.rules · « **Reply #2 on:** February 04, 2018, 09:48:45 am »

Quote from: JimH on February 04, 2018, 08:23:01 am

Windows Defender?

Defender is disabled on the computer.

JimH · « **Reply #3 on:** February 04, 2018, 11:31:08 am »

There is a Windows Defender thread here. Worth a look. It has been causing problems recently and it probably can't be disabled completely. You may need to set it correctly.

flac.rules · « **Reply #4 on:** February 04, 2018, 11:38:31 am »

Quote from: JimH on February 04, 2018, 11:31:08 am

There is a Windows Defender thread here. Worth a look. It has been causing problems recently and it probably can't be disabled completely. You may need to set it correctly.

I have disabled it in the group policy editor. I wouldn't put it past MS to still do some stupid thing, but it should be more disabled than putting something in the exception list at the very least.

I got a bit tired of the win10-troubles, there seems to be thousands of people having optical drive problems with win10 in the general sense. I tried installing win7, seems to work fine there (even with win defender, which is enabled on a fresh install i think), (I have to install som gigs of updates to be sure, but so far it seems to work).

Antognini · « **Reply #5 on:** February 04, 2018, 01:03:38 pm »

I had a problem with a couple of "enhanced audio" CDs, on which Windows10 saw no files. MC got the files from one CD but couldn't handle the other. I tried dBpoweramp, which worked just fine. I have to guess that Windows10 isn't set up for some file formats.

flac.rules · « **Reply #6 on:** February 04, 2018, 01:09:09 pm »

Quote from: Antognini on February 04, 2018, 01:03:38 pm

I had a problem with a couple of "enhanced audio" CDs, on which Windows10 saw no files. MC got the files from one CD but couldn't handle the other. I tried dBpoweramp, which worked just fine. I have to guess that Windows10 isn't set up for some file formats.

I checked with a few regular CDs, and they seem to don't work either, however dbpoeramp doesn't see the CD-drives either (but EAC and windows does), do they use a different way to access the drive maybe?

JimH · « **Reply #7 on:** February 04, 2018, 01:14:23 pm »

It might be possible that EAC has control of the drive. But the most likely reason is security software.

flac.rules · « **Reply #8 on:** February 04, 2018, 01:32:18 pm »

Quote from: JimH on February 04, 2018, 01:14:23 pm

It might be possible that EAC has control of the drive. But the most likely reason is security software.

Yeahm i tried restarting without EAC ever running to check that, but doesn't seem to be making any difference.

I find security software to be a very unlikely culprit, as mentioned, i have disabled windows defender entirely via group policy, and have no other software of the type installed.

~OHM~ · « **Reply #9 on:** February 04, 2018, 01:48:14 pm »

have you tried running as admin....not just logging into your machine as a admin but running the software specifically as admin...just a thought

JimH · « **Reply #10 on:** February 04, 2018, 02:14:15 pm »

Quote from: Elvis133 on February 04, 2018, 01:32:18 pm

... as mentioned, i have disabled windows defender entirely via group policy, and have no other software of the type installed.

I would not assume that it isn't the problem. I would set up Windows Defender as Awesome Donkey outlined.

flac.rules · « **Reply #11 on:** February 04, 2018, 02:40:39 pm »

I restarted the service, (since i cannot change the settings when it is disabled), put in all the exceptions as mentioned in the thread, and then turned off windows defender again. Still the same problem. (As mentioned it does work fine on win7 one the same machine, so i suspect it has something to do with how win10 handles cd/dvd-drives)

Antognini · « **Reply #12 on:** February 04, 2018, 04:34:29 pm »

What is "EAC"? Exact Audio Copy?

Antognini · « **Reply #13 on:** February 04, 2018, 05:25:03 pm »

I'm doubtful that Windows Defender is figuring into this problem. It sounds more like some kind of copy protection.

It'd be nice to know whether Windows can at least detect that the CD appears to be readable under the CD File System (CDFS). In a non-elevated command window, run Disk Manager: C:\Windows\System32\diskmgmt.msc . Scroll until you find the CD/DVD drive in question. Is it described as "CDFS"? Is there a volume label (right now I'm looking at an enhanced audio CD that MC couldn't deal with, and the volume label is LORDOFTHERINGS)? If the CD is recognized under CDFS and has a readable volume label, I suspect that the data are available to Windows but that only somewhat specialized programs can make sense of the data.

Just for grins, here's a list of "specialized programs" I came across: http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=Comparison_of_CD_rippers . I cannot vouch for any of them except for dBpoweramp and Windows Media Player.

JimH · « **Reply #14 on:** February 05, 2018, 07:37:41 am »

Quote from: Antognini on February 04, 2018, 05:25:03 pm

I'm doubtful that Windows Defender is figuring into this problem. It sounds more like some kind of copy protection.

Just linking to another thread on Windows Defender.

Awesome Donkey · « **Reply #15 on:** February 05, 2018, 07:44:04 am »

How's the drive connected? Is it actually IDE? Seriously?!? How old is the drive? I didn't know IDE still was supported in Windows 10. You might try a SATA-based optical disc drive instead.

If I recall correctly, there's different SCSI interface possibilities for optical disc drives in Windows. ASPI is one (older Windows, e.g. Windows 9x), ASAPI is another (VOB, if I recall correctly?) and native Win32 (which is used in XP and above) is one more that I'm aware of. EAC has different options for choosing an interface, whereas MC and dbpoweramp might use/require different interfaces. If I had to guess, it probably requires native Win32? This is one of the possibilities I'd consider and see if using a newer SATA-based optical drive worked any better, if possible.

But yeah, copy protection is another possibility as mentioned in this topic. What disc(s) are you trying to rip?

flac.rules · « **Reply #16 on:** February 05, 2018, 11:35:02 am »

Quote from: Antognini on February 04, 2018, 04:34:29 pm

What is "EAC"? Exact Audio Copy?

Yeah, Exact Audio Copy.

flac.rules · « **Reply #17 on:** February 05, 2018, 11:37:25 am »

Quote from: Antognini on February 04, 2018, 05:25:03 pm

I'm doubtful that Windows Defender is figuring into this problem. It sounds more like some kind of copy protection.

It'd be nice to know whether Windows can at least detect that the CD appears to be readable under the CD File System (CDFS). In a non-elevated command window, run Disk Manager: C:\Windows\System32\diskmgmt.msc . Scroll until you find the CD/DVD drive in question. Is it described as "CDFS"? Is there a volume label (right now I'm looking at an enhanced audio CD that MC couldn't deal with, and the volume label is LORDOFTHERINGS)? If the CD is recognized under CDFS and has a readable volume label, I suspect that the data are available to Windows but that only somewhat specialized programs can make sense of the data.

Just for grins, here's a list of "specialized programs" I came across: http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=Comparison_of_CD_rippers . I cannot vouch for any of them except for dBpoweramp and Windows Media Player.

It says "CDFS" But only "audio cd", but I have tried with several audio CDs I know for a fact has no protection (besides, the drive i have seem to handle all kinds of relevant protection on regular audio cds)

flac.rules · « **Reply #18 on:** February 05, 2018, 12:14:35 pm »

Quote from: Awesome Donkey on February 05, 2018, 07:44:04 am

How's the drive connected? Is it actually IDE? Seriously?!? How old is the drive? I didn't know IDE still was supported in Windows 10. You might try a SATA-based optical disc drive instead.

If I recall correctly, there's different SCSI interface possibilities for optical disc drives in Windows. ASPI is one (older Windows, e.g. Windows 9x), ASAPI is another (VOB, if I recall correctly?) and native Win32 (which is used in XP and above) is one more that I'm aware of. EAC has different options for choosing an interface, whereas MC and dbpoweramp might use/require different interfaces. If I had to guess, it probably requires native Win32? This is one of the possibilities I'd consider and see if using a newer SATA-based optical drive worked any better, if possible.

But yeah, copy protection is another possibility as mentioned in this topic. What disc(s) are you trying to rip?

It is supposed to be supported, but the support seems spotty, there is a LOT of forum posts about optical drives not working in win 10. I tried connecting through the motherboard, but know they are connected via a PCIe IDE-card.

And don't make fun of my drives

They are selling on ebay for 300 dollars (and are the best ripping drives in existence)

flac.rules · « **Reply #19 on:** February 05, 2018, 12:15:43 pm »

Quote from: ~OM~ on February 04, 2018, 01:48:14 pm

have you tried running as admin....not just logging into your machine as a admin but running the software specifically as admin...just a thought

A very good thought is seems like, because it works! I don't know why, but running MC as admin makes the CD turn up also in win10. I have no clue as to why though.

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