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[Lefisu63]

I always have troubles when ripping blu-ray discs (although I remux them) with various ripping and player software to get correct subtitles displayed when required.

Finally I just started a test with an original blu-ray - not a "ripped" version.

Also read:

• https://www.jbistudios.com/blog/what-are-forced-subtitles-in-video-translation
• https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,117442.0.html

Test of the original blu-ray disc "Solo - A Star Wars Story"

BR region: Europe
First "forced" subtitle in film should appear at 3:25 by an alien.


Sony PS4

GUI: German

1. Start film
2. Select "German" from selection English (selected by default), German, Polski
3. Subtitle is set to Off by default, also possible is English, German, Polski

=> Typical Star Wars story text at the beginning is displayed in German green text (completely instead of English!)
=> At 3:25, German subtitles under the alien language.

Works perfectly as always.


Windows 10 English, build 1803

Playing on PC from blu-ray drive running AnyDVD 8.2.9.0.
Language selection in AnyDVD is "Automatic".


VLC 3.0.4

GUI: English
Audio: Enabled, Tracks: Preferred audio language: "de"
Subtitles: Enabled, Preferred subtitle language: "de"
2-letter-code ... btw: they write country code in balloon tip for language?

Test 1)

1. Start film: Media -> Open disc -> Blu-ray ("No disc menu" not selected).
2. Select "German" from selection English (selected by default), German, Polski
3. Subtitle is set to Off by default, also possible is English, German, Polski

In VLC:
- Audio track: Track 2 [German]
- Subtitle: Sub track: Track 5 [German]

=> Typical Star Wars story text at the beginning is displayed in German green text (completely instead of English!)
=> At 3:25, German subtitles under the alien language.
=> BUG: Last (3rd) subtitle from alien stays "forever" (until next subtitle change at 5:12).

4. During Play right click context menu Subtitles "Disable" => no subtitles anymore (really "off").


JR 24.0.56

GUI: English
Options -> Video:
Default audio language: German
Default subtitle language: German

Always started film from disc:
File -> Quick Play -> Drives and Devices -> "Solo - A Star Wars Story"

Films always starts without any possible menu selection.

Play Context menu subtitles displays these options:

- ✓ Off
- English [eng] (pgs)
- German (deu) (pgs)
- Polski [pol] (pgs)
- English [eng] (pgs)
- German [deu] (pgs)
- Polski [pol] (pgs)
- Null


Test 1)

"Subtitle mode: Do not show subtitles"


Test 1a)

Play context menu subtitles is set to Null.

=> Typical Star Wars story text at the beginning is displayed in English, no German subtitles.
=> At 3:25, no German subtitles will be displayed under the alien language. (ok for Null)


Test 1b)

Play context menu subtitles is set to Off.

=> Typical Star Wars story text at the beginning is displayed in English, no German subtitles.
=> At 3:25, no German subtitles will be displayed under the alien language.

Q: Shouldn't be "Off" display forced subtitles?
(see https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,117442.0.html)


Test 1c)

Play context menu subtitles set to first "German (deu) (pgs)".

=> Typical Star Wars story text at the beginning is displayed in English, German subtitles displayed.
=> Permanent German subtitles will be displayed.


Test 1d)

Play context menu subtitles set to second "German (deu) (pgs)".

=> Typical Star Wars story text at the beginning is displayed in English, no German subtitles displayed.
=> At 3:25, German subtitles will be displayed under the alien language.

Q: Why isn't story text displayed with German subtitles?


Test 2)

"Subtitle mode: Show subtitles only if selected subtitle language is different from audio language"

Test 2a)
Test 2b)
Test 2c)
Test 2d)

by changing Play context menu have same results as for Test 1x).

Q: How can I start the film with BR menus as VLC does?

UPDATE: I've found the new implemented JR BR menu setting https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=114628.0 - set it to ON, BR works perfectly with menus, correct Germany story text, correct German subtitles.

Q: But which settings must be done/selected when I don't use the BR menu? (e.g. to use a ripped .m2ts file?)

Q: Which settings must be done to get German story text (no subtitles) as shown with PS4 and VLC?
Q: Which settings must be done to auto-get the "real" subtitle track?

Finally the MediaInfo from the biggest (35,2 GB) file: D:\BDMV\STREAM\00813.m2ts 

Code: [Select]

General
ID                                       : 0 (0x0)
Complete name                            : D:\BDMV\STREAM\00813.m2ts
Format                                   : BDAV
Format/Info                              : Blu-ray Video
File size                                : 35.2 GiB
Duration                                 : 2 h 0 min
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 41.9 Mb/s
Maximum Overall bit rate                 : 48.0 Mb/s

Video
ID                                       : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4.1
Format settings                          : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, RefFrames               : 4 frames
Codec ID                                 : 27
Duration                                 : 2 h 0 min
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Maximum bit rate                         : 36.0 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive

Audio #1
ID                                       : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : DTS XLL
Format/Info                              : Digital Theater Systems
Commercial name                          : DTS-HD Master Audio
Muxing mode                              : Stream extension
Codec ID                                 : 134
Duration                                 : 2 h 0 min
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Channel(s)                               : 8 channels
Channel layout                           : C L R LFE Lb Rb Lss Rss
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 93.750 FPS (512 SPF)
Bit depth                                : 24 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossless

Audio #2
ID                                       : 4353 (0x1101)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : E-AC-3
Format/Info                              : Enhanced AC-3
Commercial name                          : Dolby Digital Plus
Format profile                           : Blu-ray Disc
Muxing mode                              : Stream extension
Codec ID                                 : 132
Duration                                 : 2 h 0 min
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 896 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 8 channels
Channel layout                           : L R C LFE Ls Rs Lb Rb
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 771 MiB (2%)
Service kind                             : Complete Main

Audio #3
ID                                       : 4354 (0x1102)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : AC-3
Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3
Commercial name                          : Dolby Digital
Codec ID                                 : 129
Duration                                 : 2 h 0 min
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 640 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
Channel layout                           : L R C LFE Ls Rs
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 550 MiB (2%)
Service kind                             : Complete Main

Text #1
ID                                       : 4608 (0x1200)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : PGS
Codec ID                                 : 144
Delay relative to video                  : 166 ms

Text #2
ID                                       : 4609 (0x1201)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : PGS
Codec ID                                 : 144
Delay relative to video                  : 1 s 751 ms

Text #3
ID                                       : 4610 (0x1202)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : PGS
Codec ID                                 : 144
Delay relative to video                  : 166 ms

Text #4
ID                                       : 4611 (0x1203)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : PGS
Codec ID                                 : 144

Text #5
ID                                       : 4612 (0x1204)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : PGS
Codec ID                                 : 144

Text #6
ID                                       : 4613 (0x1205)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : PGS
Codec ID                                 : 144


Thanks a lot

[jmone]

I have a slightly different version of this BD with eng, fra, spa (both normal and forced) subs and followed the same procedure as you did (playing from an Drive and not ripped) but tested fro ENG subs.

Q: How can I start the film with BR menus as VLC does?
- Enable BD Disc Menu:  Tools--> Options--> Video--> Play Blu-ray discs using Menu--> Set to ON or Ask (I use Ask).  Also set your region code under that.  You now get the BD Disc Menu on playback
- Forced Subs works perfectly without any intervention as the logic to select the correct subs is done by the BD Menu on the Disc itself.


Q: Which settings must be done to get German story text (no subtitles) as shown with PS4 and VLC?
Q: Which settings must be done to auto-get the "real" subtitle track?

Now things get tricky if you are using "Title Playback" (aka without the real BD Menus) as BD Discs can be (unfortunately) Authored in a couple of ways.  MC can read some information directly from the disc without needing a menu and from that can make various decisions based on your settings, including the LANG of the Audio and Subtitle Streams.  MC can also detect if (on a particular disc) what subs were tagged as "Forced" and MC will play these.  Unfortunately, most BD's (including this one) are not authored marking forced subs but instead include a 2nd "normal" subtitle stream that contain all for forced subs.  This is why on this disc you see 2 Subs in each Lang (once is the "forced" subs only).  When this is the case no amount of changing settings in MC will find the correct forced subs for you (or even if there is one)..... Instead, you have manually select the subtitle stream though, as you see in my screen shot, it is usually one of the "last" ones for your LANG in the list.  The great thing about MC is once you have selected the correct stream, MC will remember it for next time.  MC will then playback the forced subs correctly (see pic again).

So in summary, if you want a 100% effective and effortless method, then turn on BD Menus.  It then works with both BD's in the Drive (if a decryptor is running in the background) and also if you rip to HDD.  It works just a BD HW Player.   I really like the addition of the BD Menu Option for this reason.  The BD Menu presents all the Discs Logic for the selection of the desired Lang, Audio Tracks, Editions of the Main Title, Extras etc etc.  I do keep my BD Menu Setting to "Ask" as sometimes (normally on discs I've seen before) just want to launch into the main title.

[Lefisu63]

Thanks a lot.

I've found the BR menu in the meantime and all works perfectly.

I also just found out what I have to do when I rip the BR into one .m2ts file:

I'm using VSO blu-ray converter. When I load the BR then I see multiple "angles" - for at least this BR (because of the different languages for the story text). Now I click "Advanced Edit" to choose the correct angle - sometimes not easy when you haven't seen the film so you don't know what to choose).

In the Advanced Edit I can test the subtitles too - normally there is only one German, sometimes two (permanent subtitles and these like "forced") - but sometimes three (which tell a story, etc.). So I can select the only one German subtitle track I need.

Then I rip only this one into one .m2ts file (I don't use .mkv because it's not an industry standard and not all TV's are playing it).

If someone knows a better blu-ray ripping software - please inform me.

btw. ... I have a lot of work now to rip a lot of BR's again. 

[jmone]

FWIW - I've always ripped all my discs as full structures for the simple reason that MC keeps developing and new features keep being added.  This year we got BD Menus and at that point I got Menus over all my movies without me now having to re-rip anything.  There also been discussions on changes (no timeframe given or how it would work) for new MC streaming options for clients, one of which may be a remuxer.  Again if this comes to pass it will then "just work" and MC would then be able to stream out (say) a M2TS file with just the streams you want to a client.

[Lefisu63]

jmone:

After ripping the correct angle + subtitle track into one .m2ts as screen shot above (I've remuxed video, audio, subtitle!),

JR 24.0.56 displays the subtitles without correct timing. VLC 3.0.4 works.


VLC 3.0.4

• 1st subtitle appears @ 3:24, should be 3:25
• 2nd subtitle appears @ 3:31, should be 3:32
• 3rd subtitle appears @ 3:37, should be 3:40
• 4th subtitle appears @ 5:09, should be 5:11

3rd subtitle now disappears which didn't happen when I've played from blu-ray directly.

Subtitles appear always a little bit earlier when they follow immediately. But the 4th subtitle then is correct.

I think I could play around with subtitle timing settings in VLC but finally more or less ok.


JR 24.0.56

• 1st subtitle appears @ 3:11, should be 3:24
• 2nd subtitle appears @ 3:27, should be 3:31
• 3rd subtitle appears @ 3:33, should be 3:38
• 4th subtitle appears @ 4:55, should be 5:09

Subtitles appear many seconds to early.

• 1st subtitle 13 seconds to early.
• Alien speaks 1st sentence.
• 2nd subtitle for alien appears.
• Solo replies to 1st sentence
• Alien speaks 2st sentence.
• 3rd subtitle for alien appears.
• Solo replies to 2nd sentence
• Alien speaks 3rd sentence.

First subtitle of a dialog appears 13-14 seconds to early - during other "normal" sentences.
The next sentence-subtitle by the alien appears when Solo starts to reply to the alien's previous sentence.


Because of it works with VLC - it looks like there is a bug in JR.

Finally here is the MediaInfo from the ripped .m2ts file:

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General
ID                                       : 0 (0x0)
Complete name                            : Solo - A Star Wars Story [BRS NFS-2]_[FSK12]_[2018]_[Normal]_[Single]_[BR].m2ts
Format                                   : BDAV
Format/Info                              : Blu-ray Video
File size                                : 33.1 GiB
Duration                                 : 2 h 14 min
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 35.2 Mb/s
Maximum Overall bit rate                 : 48.0 Mb/s

Video
ID                                       : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4.1
Format settings                          : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, RefFrames               : 4 frames
Codec ID                                 : 27
Duration                                 : 2 h 14 min
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 32.9 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 36.0 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.661
Stream size                              : 30.9 GiB (93%)

Audio
ID                                       : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : E-AC-3
Format/Info                              : Enhanced AC-3
Commercial name                          : Dolby Digital Plus
Format profile                           : Blu-ray Disc
Codec ID                                 : 135
Duration                                 : 2 h 14 min
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 896 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 8 channels
Channel layout                           : L R C LFE Ls Rs Lb Rb
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Delay relative to video                  : 42 ms
Stream size                              : 864 MiB (3%)
Language                                 : German
Service kind                             : Complete Main

Text
ID                                       : 4608 (0x1200)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : PGS
Codec ID                                 : 144
Delay relative to video                  : 918 ms
Language                                 : German


[Hendrik]

I've never experienced such issues with any ripped Blu-ray, timing of subtitles is always spot on, so I'm inclined to blame your ripping process. I've never used that particular tool, I always use MakeMKV myself.
I do not have ripped Solo yet though, its in my backlog. Maybe I should get to it and see how it turns out.

Edit:
Rip with MakeMKV finished and the subtitles are perfect in MC. Granted its a different version of the disc, as mine has English/French/Spanish languages. But alas, it might not hurt to give MakeMKV a try, I've never had any issues with timing with it (and its still free).

As a second data point, when I play the original disc without ripping, in title mode (no menus), I do have to select the proper stream myself because Blu-rays don't offer that metadata without menus, but once I did that, subtitle timing is again perfect.
The subtitle stream selection is unfortunately a hard problem because the discs have no data to indicate which stream is what. Only the menu logic has that information, thats one big advantage when playing with menus, "it just works".

I tested the original disc in title mode because its practically the same file format as your .m2ts rip, just without ripping involved, which means that for me subtitles from .m2ts directly from the disc also play fine.

[Lefisu63]

so I'm inclined to blame your ripping process.

I tested the original disc in title mode because its practically the same file format as your .m2ts rip, just without ripping involved, which means that for me subtitles from .m2ts directly from the disc also play fine.

Hi Hendrik,

the original blu-ray with blu-ray menu works in PS4, VLC, JR.

VLC and 8player Pro (on my iPhone 5s) perfectly display the subtitles from the ripped .m2ts. 

So I don't think it's a ripping error.

Same situation with other movies too.

I will cut the .m2ts (has 35 GB) to the first 6 minutes with http://www.fame-ring.com/smart_cutter.html.

Can I upload the 6 min. movie to one of your servers to test JR player?

[Hendrik]

We don't have a way to upload samples, you would have to use a public hoster of some sort, like Google Drive, OneDrive or such, or just something like mega.nz

Regardless of whatever outcome, I would still recommend to check out MakeMKV. m2ts is not an ideal format for movie ripping, for one you cannot flag the subtitle stream as containing forced subtitles, so that it would be automatically activated, like you can in a MKV file, and I don't think m2ts can carry language information, plus seeking in MKVs is much faster. Blu-rays use it, but all the metadata to enable the features mentioned is in separate Blu-ray specific files, so they augment it.

[jmone]

What is the downside of just using the BD Menu for you (since they work every time), or use title playback then manual select the Forced Subtitle track once (and MC will then remember it for next time)?

[Lefisu63]

@Hendrik, jmone: I will try MakeMKV but problem is that I can't play it from USB connected to TV when on holiday because it's not an industry standard (but in this case I can prepare .m2ts files). Thanks!

[Lefisu63]

After I've ripped with MakeMKV 1.12.3,

JRiver shows the played stream as English, although I've only ripped German parts and MediaInfo also only shows German. Bug in JR?

When I play back, Audio is German.
I manually have to activate the correct subtitle track for the "alien" language, right? JR subtitles is set to Off. (timings are correct).
Is there a way to make a subtitle track to forced subtitles (in MakeMKV) (and JR displays them although set to Off?).

See screen shots

mkv1.jpg = MakeMKV - selected 2nd title which is the German angle (green text) incl. audio German.
mkv2.jpg = JR 24.0.56 screenshot shows stream English ?

Here is the MediaInfo from the ripped .mkv

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General
Unique ID                                : 183848159349434302767323128293616003018 (0x8A4FDE168593B560FEACA718B53827CA)
Complete name                            : Solo_A_Star_Wars_Story_t01.mkv
Format                                   : Matroska
Format version                           : Version 2
File size                                : 31.9 GiB
Duration                                 : 2 h 14 min
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 33.9 Mb/s
Movie name                               : Solo: A Star Wars Story
Encoded date                             : UTC 2018-10-14 09:09:51
Writing application                      : MakeMKV v1.12.3 win(x64-release)
Writing library                          : libmakemkv v1.12.3 (1.3.5/1.4.7) win(x64-release)

Video
ID                                       : 1
ID in the original source medium         : 4113 (0x1011)
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4.1
Format settings                          : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, RefFrames               : 4 frames
Codec ID                                 : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration                                 : 2 h 14 min
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 32.4 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 36.0 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.652
Stream size                              : 30.5 GiB (96%)
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : No
Forced                                   : No
Original source medium                   : Blu-ray

Audio #1
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : E-AC-3
Format/Info                              : Enhanced AC-3
Commercial name                          : Dolby Digital Plus
Format profile                           : Blu-ray Disc
Codec ID                                 : A_EAC3
Duration                                 : 2 h 14 min
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 896 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 8 channels
Channel layout                           : L R C LFE Ls Rs Lb Rb
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 864 MiB (3%)
Title                                    : Surround 7.1
Language                                 : German
Service kind                             : Complete Main
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : No

Audio #2
ID                                       : 3
ID in the original source medium         : 4353 (0x1101)
Format                                   : AC-3
Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3
Commercial name                          : Dolby Digital
Codec ID                                 : A_AC3
Duration                                 : 2 h 14 min
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 512 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
Channel layout                           : L R C LFE Ls Rs
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 494 MiB (2%)
Title                                    : Surround 5.1
Language                                 : German
Service kind                             : Complete Main
Default                                  : No
Forced                                   : No
Original source medium                   : Blu-ray

Text #1
ID                                       : 4
ID in the original source medium         : 4609 (0x1201)
Format                                   : PGS
Codec ID                                 : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info                            : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Duration                                 : 2 h 7 min
Bit rate                                 : 34.6 kb/s
Count of elements                        : 3482
Stream size                              : 31.5 MiB (0%)
Language                                 : German
Default                                  : No
Forced                                   : No
Original source medium                   : Blu-ray

Text #2
ID                                       : 6
ID in the original source medium         : 4612 (0x1204)
Format                                   : PGS
Codec ID                                 : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info                            : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Duration                                 : 1 h 20 min
Bit rate                                 : 486 b/s
Count of elements                        : 36
Stream size                              : 287 KiB (0%)
Language                                 : German
Default                                  : No
Forced                                   : No
Original source medium                   : Blu-ray

Menu
00:00:00.000                             : en:Chapter 01
00:00:53.511                             : en:Chapter 02
00:02:10.213                             : en:Chapter 03
00:03:53.149                             : en:Chapter 04
00:06:00.485                             : en:Chapter 05
00:09:27.567                             : en:Chapter 06
00:13:16.045                             : en:Chapter 07
00:14:14.019                             : en:Chapter 08
00:16:12.262                             : en:Chapter 09
00:19:45.100                             : en:Chapter 10
00:22:43.820                             : en:Chapter 11
00:24:37.267                             : en:Chapter 12
00:27:00.035                             : en:Chapter 13
00:30:02.926                             : en:Chapter 14
00:32:54.681                             : en:Chapter 15
00:39:09.764                             : en:Chapter 16
00:41:59.225                             : en:Chapter 17
00:43:20.180                             : en:Chapter 18
00:44:32.127                             : en:Chapter 19
00:48:03.755                             : en:Chapter 20
00:51:58.323                             : en:Chapter 21
00:53:17.527                             : en:Chapter 22
00:57:23.523                             : en:Chapter 23
01:00:16.779                             : en:Chapter 24
01:02:40.882                             : en:Chapter 25
01:04:51.262                             : en:Chapter 26
01:05:29.508                             : en:Chapter 27
01:07:12.028                             : en:Chapter 28
01:08:05.915                             : en:Chapter 29
01:10:00.112                             : en:Chapter 30
01:12:44.193                             : en:Chapter 31
01:14:40.851                             : en:Chapter 32
01:18:30.872                             : en:Chapter 33
01:23:15.740                             : en:Chapter 34
01:26:32.645                             : en:Chapter 35
01:30:33.136                             : en:Chapter 36
01:35:19.672                             : en:Chapter 37
01:37:04.860                             : en:Chapter 38
01:38:52.801                             : en:Chapter 39
01:41:18.530                             : en:Chapter 40
01:43:02.676                             : en:Chapter 41
01:45:27.821                             : en:Chapter 42
01:46:32.177                             : en:Chapter 43
01:49:45.996                             : en:Chapter 44
01:53:33.890                             : en:Chapter 45
01:57:13.901                             : en:Chapter 46
01:58:55.128                             : en:Chapter 47
02:01:34.829                             : en:Chapter 48
02:03:20.893                             : en:Chapter 49
02:06:09.353                             : en:Chapter 50

I manually have to activate the correct subtitle track in the player, correct?

What does the "en" in MediaInfo "Chapters" mean? English?

[Hendrik]

The video being marked english is mostly irrelevant.  Video tracks really don't have a language flag in the Blu-ray (which is why you have to manually find the right angle), so it might just not write any language tag, which in MKV means it defaults to english.
Audio and Subtitle languages is what really matters.

And yes, the en in the Chapter names also means English, it refers to the language the chapter title is in, but Blu-rays don't have any chapter title info, and the generated "Chapter 01" name is of course in English.

You can set the "Forced" flag for a subtitle track in MakeMKV by navigating to "flags" and adding the "f" (forced) flag. You can also manually adjust it afterwards with tools like mkvtoolnix.

[Lefisu63]

Video tracks really don't have a language flag in the Blu-ray (which is why you have to manually find the right angle)

In VSO blu-ray converter I can preview the angles + subtitle tracks - and finally choose the correct parts within MakeMKV.

Sadly MakeMKV can not read my existing .m2ts files - nor can it read from .iso files - but VSO converter.

However - I will prepare a smaller or 6 min .m2ts file - because it's a fact that JR player has problems with subtitle timings with this file format because VLC and 8Player Pro work perfectly ... and I have over 400 .m2ts files (some with all subtitle tracks, some without the correct (when required), some with permanent - don't ask  )

Thanks a lot Hendrik.

[Lefisu63]

You can set the "Forced" flag for a subtitle track in MakeMKV by navigating to "flags" and adding the "f" (forced) flag.

Hmm, troubles to find in MakeMKV what you mean. Where can I add the "f" flag?
Do you mean only to activate the one subtitle track with "(forced only)"? (see my mkv1.jpg screen shot 2 messages before).
Maybe you have a screen shot for me please? 

I've tried to select only ONE forced subtitle - see screen shot mkv3.jpg.

JR now only offers "Off" (right context menu) and no subtitle track and finally doesn't display the subtitles for the alien language.  ?

Again the MediaInfo from this rip:

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General
Unique ID                                : 277497772704737979417051887812467817983 (0xD0C42082C346015082946EC44F14FDFF)
Complete name                            : Solo_A_Star_Wars_Story_t01.mkv
Format                                   : Matroska
Format version                           : Version 2
File size                                : 31.8 GiB
Duration                                 : 2 h 14 min
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 33.8 Mb/s
Movie name                               : Solo: A Star Wars Story
Encoded date                             : UTC 2018-10-14 10:53:43
Writing application                      : MakeMKV v1.12.3 win(x64-release)
Writing library                          : libmakemkv v1.12.3 (1.3.5/1.4.7) win(x64-release)

Video
ID                                       : 1
ID in the original source medium         : 4113 (0x1011)
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4.1
Format settings                          : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, RefFrames               : 4 frames
Codec ID                                 : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration                                 : 2 h 14 min
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 32.4 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 36.0 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.652
Stream size                              : 30.5 GiB (96%)
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : No
Forced                                   : No
Original source medium                   : Blu-ray

Audio #1
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : E-AC-3
Format/Info                              : Enhanced AC-3
Commercial name                          : Dolby Digital Plus
Format profile                           : Blu-ray Disc
Codec ID                                 : A_EAC3
Duration                                 : 2 h 14 min
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 896 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 8 channels
Channel layout                           : L R C LFE Ls Rs Lb Rb
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 864 MiB (3%)
Title                                    : Surround 7.1
Language                                 : German
Service kind                             : Complete Main
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : No

Audio #2
ID                                       : 3
ID in the original source medium         : 4353 (0x1101)
Format                                   : AC-3
Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3
Commercial name                          : Dolby Digital
Codec ID                                 : A_AC3
Duration                                 : 2 h 14 min
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 512 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
Channel layout                           : L R C LFE Ls Rs
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 494 MiB (2%)
Title                                    : Surround 5.1
Language                                 : German
Service kind                             : Complete Main
Default                                  : No
Forced                                   : No
Original source medium                   : Blu-ray

UPDATE: My VU Solo 4K (and at least it looks like ALL VUs) DOES NOT support MKV internal subtitles unitl today! - only external .srt files. No really ...