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[dtc]

I just had my first experience with Windows 10 and with Defender. I read and followed the suggestions in the Defender Thread, but I did find it somewhat long and confusing, which is not surprising how it evolved as people understood more about how Defender works, in particular how exclusions work.  From my reading of the thread, it seems that the folder exceptions work fine and with them there may only be 2 exclusions needed - the Program Files\JRiver folder (or Program Files (x86)\JRiver) and the %appdata%JRiver (Users\USERNAME\AppData\Roaming\JRiver) folders. And neither of them refer to a specific version of MC. If there is agreement on that, then perhaps there should be a new sticky with that recommendation or maybe a modified initial post in the original thread with that recommendation. A single post with instructions as to how to get to the exclusion section of Defender like Awesome Donkey posted originally, and then these 2 simple exclusions would make it a lot easier for people, especially when JRiver changes to a new version.  People could still refer to the whole thread for more details, but I think most people will be satisfied with just those 2 exclusions, and never have to worry about it again.

In fact, AD's original post did a great job of recommending excluding those 2 folders and the main MC executables. So, it has pretty much what I am suggesting already, except it includes the MC executable, which should be unnecessary and is version dependent. It then says that should be enough but then goes on to list all sorts of individual exclusions.  So, a small tweak to that section to exclude the executable, with a  stronger statement about not needing to do individual exclusions may be all that is needed.  And a statement that this is the current update would make people more comfortable about not having the read all the rest of the detail.

Anyway, those are my thoughts after going through this process.

What say ye - AD?

[DocLotus]

Great idea.

I've always wondered why it is so darn hard to set up Defender correctly. I read the very long Defender thread & my eyes just glaze over.

I agree we really need one very short (and maintained thread) with just the final text that is needed to make Defender do it's stuff without having to drag out the final text from a very long thread.

Even after reading the long thread, I've often wondered if I'm entering the correct text or not.

Hope your idea gets implemented.

[Awesome Donkey]

Yeah, cutting the recommendation down to the two directories makes sense. Though, I still need to test whether there's a performance hit between excluding directories with media or media types versus not excluding them. I guess your mileage may vary there.

[DocLotus]

Anything you can do Awesome Donkey will be much appreciated

[RoderickGI]

I think a Wiki article with the simplified recommendations would work best, as it could be maintained easily without adding guff, questions from confused users, or comments and arguments. Users could then just be directed to the article. That is what a Wiki is best at.

The Wiki could link to the original thread for those that want to read all through the history.

[dtc]

I would suggest updating the first post in the sticky and creating a Wiki article. The sticky is  very easy for people to find and people would be much more likely to see it than searching the Wiki.

Some minor tweaks to the first post would make it very easy to use, while leaving the rest of the thread if people want to read it.

Then a Wiki article can provide the same updated information or maybe just a summary and then a link to the sticky for details.

I believe it is best to change the first post in the sticky to show how to implement the exclusions for just the two folders, then there should be a big dividing line and a statement that the rest of the post is the original post and is not necessary, but the rest of the post and the rest of the thread are available if people want to read them. This it is actually a pretty common practice on other websites for the first post to include an updated summary of a  long, complicated thread.