Topic: Artifacts Trying to Play off BR/DVD (Read 3135 times)

MrEWhite · « **on:** March 21, 2020, 03:54:56 pm »

Whenever I try to play a Blu-Ray or DVD straight off the disc or a straight rip of the disc without any conversion, I get artifacting in JRiver, but if I use MakeMKV or something of the sort to make an MKV of the disc, it works fine. Any help here? I'm using Red October HQ Best Quality, Hardware accelerate video decoding when possible, and VideoClock.

Here's an example of the artifacting:

JimH · « **Reply #1 on:** March 21, 2020, 04:09:23 pm »

Do you have AnyDVD or similar installed?

MrEWhite · « **Reply #2 on:** March 21, 2020, 04:11:25 pm »

Quote from: JimH on March 21, 2020, 04:09:23 pm

Do you have AnyDVD or similar installed?

Nope. Should I install that? I've only tried playing two discs so far on here, NIN's Beside You in Time Blu-Ray and Megadeth's Peace Sells but Who's Buying DVD-A, the latters which menus just got artifacty.

Awesome Donkey · « **Reply #3 on:** March 21, 2020, 04:18:18 pm »

Yes, because of the copy protection those discs have. MC can't read DVDs/Blu-ray discs that have copy protection, which is the majority of discs out there. So a tool like AnyDVD needs to be used to break the copy protection, allowing MC to read the discs correctly.

https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Blu-ray#Requirements
https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/DVD

MrEWhite · « **Reply #4 on:** March 24, 2020, 01:51:16 pm »

Actually, I'm still getting the artifacting shown in OP. This occurs when playing a ripped backup made with MakeMKV, or the original Blu-ray of this one disc with AnyDVD HD (Beside You in Time by Nine Inch Nails). I don't seem to have this issue on other Blu-rays. Maybe because of it's weird encoding? (1080p30?)

It plays fine in VLC.

RoderickGI · « **Reply #5 on:** March 24, 2020, 06:34:50 pm »

They are both music videos, right?

It could actually be the audio format on them causing the problem.

MrEWhite · « **Reply #6 on:** March 24, 2020, 07:41:34 pm »

Quote from: RoderickGI on March 24, 2020, 06:34:50 pm

They are both music videos, right?

It could actually be the audio format on them causing the problem.

The Megadeth one I was incorrect about having artifacts. It's just this Nine Inch Nails one. I don't think it's the audio quality, though. If I just convert the concert to MKV, it fixes the artifacting, but I want the menus in this case.

RoderickGI · « **Reply #7 on:** March 24, 2020, 07:50:28 pm »

It's not the audio quality that could be the issue. It is that an unusual audio format can cause video to glitch. It could be CPU load, or something else.

Music videos often have "unusual" audio, since the music is the important thing.

Check the source with Media Info. You might find something amiss.

Try using MakeMKV to rip a copy without audio. Does that video play correctly?

RoderickGI · « **Reply #8 on:** March 24, 2020, 07:56:10 pm »

Have you read the Wikipedia description of the Blu-ray? Worth a read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beside_You_in_Time, particularly the "Differences between formats" section.

Maybe try a rip with the stereo Dolby Digital track and see if that glitches, rather than no audio at all as above.

If you ripped or selected the Dolby TrueHD track on the Blu-ray, maybe your hardware struggles with that.

MrEWhite · « **Reply #9 on:** March 24, 2020, 08:09:20 pm »

Quote from: RoderickGI on March 24, 2020, 07:56:10 pm

Have you read the Wikipedia description of the Blu-ray? Worth a read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beside_You_in_Time, particularly the "Differences between formats" section.

Maybe try a rip with the stereo Dolby Digital track and see if that glitches, rather than no audio at all as above.

If you ripped or selected the Dolby TrueHD track on the Blu-ray, maybe your hardware struggles with that.

All three tracks, both surround tracks and stereo track, play fine on the straight MKV with no visual bugs. I'm also running an RTX 2080 Ti and an i9 9900KS, so it shouldn't be a lack of performance.

RoderickGI · « **Reply #10 on:** March 24, 2020, 08:16:29 pm »

Okay, there shouldn't be any issues with that hardware!

But there have been reports of music videos suffering video glitches before. Perhaps a forum search will find them and point to a solution.

If the MakeMKV rips fix the issue even for the "Beside You in Time" Blu-ray by Nine Inch Nails, I suspect that MakeMKV is fixing an issue with the audio. It could be that the original audio has some incorrect metadata or something. Not having the same Blu-ray I can only guess. Maybe Googling the Blu-ray would find some hints.

EDIT: Check the original and MKV file using the Media Info application. It may show up some difference.

MrEWhite · « **Reply #11 on:** March 24, 2020, 08:29:41 pm »

Quote from: RoderickGI on March 24, 2020, 08:16:29 pm

Okay, there shouldn't be any issues with that hardware!

But there have been reports of music videos suffering video glitches before. Perhaps a forum search will find them and point to a solution.

If the MakeMKV rips fix the issue even for the "Beside You in Time" Blu-ray by Nine Inch Nails, I suspect that MakeMKV is fixing an issue with the audio. It could be that the original audio has some incorrect metadata or something. Not having the same Blu-ray I can only guess. Maybe Googling the Blu-ray would find some hints.

EDIT: Check the original and MKV file using the Media Info application. It may show up some difference.

I think I got the right file out of the Blu-Ray. Playing the "00000.m2ts" file directly still has artifacts.

Also, I know it says that there's only two tracks on both, but it's not showing the third for some reason.

syndromeofadown · « **Reply #12 on:** March 24, 2020, 09:08:35 pm »

Beside You in Time was my fist bluray. It's from 2007 and i feel it was quite early in the bluray days. It has never worked in MC. I always figured they messed up making it. I could be wrong but i think it played right when using the disc but not after ripping. My copy was ripped with anydvd sometime around 2010 to a folder, i just tested and it still doesnt play without artifacts.

MrEWhite · « **Reply #13 on:** March 24, 2020, 10:20:39 pm »

Quote from: syndromeofadown on March 24, 2020, 09:08:35 pm

Beside You in Time was my fist bluray. It's from 2007 and i feel it was quite early in the bluray days. It has never worked in MC. I always figured they messed up making it. I could be wrong but i think it played right when using the disc but not after ripping. My copy was ripped with anydvd sometime around 2010 to a folder, i just tested and it still doesnt play without artifacts.

Ripped to MKV or a straight rip of the disc? I tried playing with the disc and ripped and I got the issue on both.

syndromeofadown · « **Reply #14 on:** March 24, 2020, 10:55:00 pm »

Straight rip of the disc. ie ripped to had disk folder.

MrEWhite · « **Reply #15 on:** March 24, 2020, 11:15:04 pm »

Quote from: syndromeofadown on March 24, 2020, 10:55:00 pm

Straight rip of the disc. ie ripped to had disk folder.

Ah. I think it's just how JRiver reads it. VLC plays it perfectly.

MrEWhite · « **Reply #16 on:** March 25, 2020, 12:36:30 am »

I also noticed that neither JRiver nor VLC support changing angles during BYIT, weird.

tij · « **Reply #17 on:** March 25, 2020, 02:21:51 am »

According to wiki that Blu-ray has problem

Quote

The Blu-ray release is encoded at 1080p30, which is not supported by the Blu-ray specification. For this reason, the disc had to be flagged as 1080i60.[7] This means that Blu-ray disc players that only read the flag to decide the format, rather than also checking the content, are only able to play this disc at 1080i60 or lower (e.g. the Sony PlayStation 3).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beside_You_in_Time

This is something @Hendrick has to look at

Didn’t try .. but I think MC supports changing video streams in MKV during playback ... you change it similarly the way you change audio tracks

MrEWhite · « **Reply #18 on:** March 25, 2020, 10:52:22 am »

Quote from: tij on March 25, 2020, 02:21:51 am

According to wiki that Blu-ray has problem

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beside_You_in_Time

This is something @Hendrick has to look at

Didn’t try .. but I think MC supports changing video streams in MKV during playback ... you change it similarly the way you change audio tracks

I tried that and it said there was only one video stream.

tij · « **Reply #19 on:** March 25, 2020, 12:02:21 pm »

Quote from: MrEWhite on March 25, 2020, 10:52:22 am

I tried that and it said there was only one video stream.

Strange that while mediaInfo identified 2 video stream ... it only gives info on first stream

MrEWhite · « **Reply #20 on:** March 27, 2020, 02:11:39 pm »

Is this ever going to be looked at? I love this disc and I'd love to have it be able to be properly be played in JRiver in it's original form.

JimH · « **Reply #21 on:** March 27, 2020, 03:13:36 pm »

Artifacts in the display are probably not JRiver. More likely the driver. Try turning off hardware acceleration. Try Red October Standard.

It's also possible you're seeing the effects of copy protection.

MrEWhite · « **Reply #22 on:** March 27, 2020, 03:49:42 pm »

Quote from: JimH on March 27, 2020, 03:13:36 pm

Artifacts in the display are probably not JRiver. More likely the driver. Try turning off hardware acceleration. Try Red October Standard.

It's also possible you're seeing the effects of copy protection.

I already tried no hardware acceleration and Red October Standard. I also tried with AnyDVD and removing encryption when backing the disc up with MakeMKV and it still occurred. And, once again, it does display properly with VLC, so I don't think it's a copy protection issue.

tij · « **Reply #23 on:** March 27, 2020, 03:51:35 pm »

What artifacts look like ... post screenshot

MrEWhite · « **Reply #24 on:** March 27, 2020, 04:42:30 pm »

Quote from: tij on March 27, 2020, 03:51:35 pm

What artifacts look like ... post screenshot

The original post shows them.

Hendrik · « **Reply #25 on:** March 27, 2020, 06:53:56 pm »

I have access to this particular disc, I'll check if I can see something - if its the same version.

tij · « **Reply #26 on:** March 27, 2020, 11:15:38 pm »

Quote from: MrEWhite on March 27, 2020, 04:42:30 pm

The original post shows them.

I thought original picture was Megadeath

MrEWhite · « **Reply #27 on:** March 28, 2020, 03:27:29 am »

Quote from: tij on March 27, 2020, 11:15:38 pm

I thought original picture was Megadeath

No, it's the NIN disc. The Megadeth issue was unrelated.

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