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HaWi:
--- Quote from: blgentry on October 12, 2022, 12:25:08 pm ---Update Library From Tags reads the tags *inside* the files. ID3 tags, Vorbis tags, etc. The file name is not used at all. MC does have a tool called "Fill Properties from Filename", which attempts to extract this information from the file name. But it's really for emergency use, or for files that have no tags in them at all (like most WAV files for example).
By all means, do whatever makes the most sense for you. But my library has diacritical characters in Album, Artist, Name, etc. *and* most of those files use regular ascii characters for the filename. These Album, Artist, etc tags are INSIDE my files and don't care about the file name.
MC's "master switch" for writing tags is located at:
Tools > Options > General > Importing and Tagging > update tags when file info changes
If you turn that on, every tag change will then be written to the files. You can force this to happen by selecting some files and then using "Update Tags from Library".
I'm not sure if Tag Editor is doing anything odd or not. I'm still not quite getting how your filenames have missing characters (the empty spaces you showed in your screen shots). I've never seen that in all the renames I've done. ..and I've done thousands. Which is why I asked about Tag Editor, as I have no experience with it.
Best of luck to you Hans.
Brian.
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Thanks Brian,
I think the problem might be only with diacritics in file names. I am still learning...
Hans
aliciaviola:
--- Quote from: blgentry on October 12, 2022, 08:59:12 am ---I'm not really understanding your process. Does Tag Edit rename your files? If not, then how does [Filename] end up with missing characters?
Why aren't you using MC to edit your tags and rename your files?
Finally, for cross platform file names, you really do want to remove the diacritical characters from the file names on disk. This guarantees the most compatibility.
Brian.
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Dear Brian,
you answered Hans but my difficulties with MC are the same.
There are no missing characters. MC changes diacritical characters and males an "ä" "á", "à"... to "a " (a simple a and an empty space).
If I import files with diacritical characters to MC, Mac does the same and translates all diacritical characters to a letter and an empty space), "Vänskä" to "Va nska ".
Neither a search for Vänskä or Vanska will find the file in MC.
Compatibility is not important for me. I want the words and expressions as they are.
I am only working on Mac and if I am exchanging files with others (very often) I change or remove diacritical characters.
I am often using another program (Metadatics) for tagging because it has much more possibilities to change filenames, adding numbers or additions to the name of every file or selected files of an imported folder and much more things which are important for me, make life with music and files easier and that is not possible in MC.
For years now I use the same method to name files: I am writing "_" between the words. For example: "Cosi_ROH1998_2_13 Per pietà"
That's possible to write and is correctly read and displayed by all audio programs I have - WaveLab, iZotope, Fission, Audition, Metadatics, Apple Music -
save MC. Only if I write the tags in MC as above and save the tags from library it reads the names correctly but not from Metadatics or WaveLab.
MC reads them as "Cosi ROH1998 2 13 Per pieta ".
Frank
blgentry:
--- Quote from: aliciaviola on October 13, 2022, 04:43:54 am ---There are no missing characters. MC changes diacritical characters and males an "ä" "á", "à"... to "a " (a simple a and an empty space).
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I set up a test for myself and I see what you are reporting. But what you are reporting is just a display problem. I have a file named "Vänskä.mp3" that I just imported. Everything about it is correct. The tags for Album, artist, etc all show the diacritical characters properly. The file name is correct. No spaces or conversions. See my screen shot.
HOWEVER... I looked carefully at your screen shot and I see that you are EDITING the file name in the Tag window. So I clicked on my file name and... I see what you see! The ä turns into "a ". But if you click outside of the file name, it returns to the correct filename. Further, look at my screen shot and see the file name in the album details box (white arrow). It is correct and it is the name on disk.
Also notice that in the search box at the upper right I have typed "vänska" and it has found it.
So I do understand the unusual display bug, in the filename only, that you are both reporting. But I don't understand how this affects anything. On my system the filename is correct. The tags are all correct. The search is correct.
Maybe we are doing something else different than each other?
Brian.
PS: In my opinion you should never edit the filename in the tag window. I think that is asking for trouble.
HaWi:
--- Quote from: blgentry on October 13, 2022, 09:48:03 am ---I set up a test for myself and I see what you are reporting. But what you are reporting is just a display problem. I have a file named "Vänskä.mp3" that I just imported. Everything about it is correct. The tags for Album, artist, etc all show the diacritical characters properly. The file name is correct. No spaces or conversions. See my screen shot.
HOWEVER... I looked carefully at your screen shot and I see that you are EDITING the file name in the Tag window. So I clicked on my file name and... I see what you see! The ä turns into "a ". But if you click outside of the file name, it returns to the correct filename. Further, look at my screen shot and see the file name in the album details box (white arrow). It is correct and it is the name on disk.
Also notice that in the search box at the upper right I have typed "vänska" and it has found it.
So I do understand the unusual display bug, in the filename only, that you are both reporting. But I don't understand how this affects anything. On my system the filename is correct. The tags are all correct. The search is correct.
Maybe we are doing something else different than each other?
Brian.
PS: In my opinion you should never edit the filename in the tag window. I think that is asking for trouble.
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Brian, thanks for looking into this!
I believe the problem arises when saving a track with a diacritical to disk with F6. My Move/Copy/Save is set up like this
[Album Artist]/[Album] for base path, and
[Disc #]-[Track #] [Name] for file name
When [Name] or [Album Artist] contains an imported diacritical and I F6, then the the track becomes "missing".
When I then edit Filename Name (or [Album Artist], if necessary), where I see the diacritical (e.g. "ä" split into "a " and manually change to "ä", then the track will be found again.
Many thanks again,
Hans
HaWi:
One more thing
There also seems to be a difference between Umlauten (e.g. ä or ü) and others (like ç or ñ). I haven't quite nailed it but I remember that I can fix the missing track issue as mentioned in my previous post with Umlauten but seem to have trouble doing the same with the others.
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