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jmz:

--- Quote from: max096 on December 28, 2023, 06:20:23 pm ---I would say "free" version of Windows with subscription for AI features is definitely a possibility. We'll see.

You´ve listed a bunch of reasons why someone might not like windows. I just think if price is the only thing on your list (you essential want to use Windows but for free) you´ve got a very weak reason to use Linux out of all the once you could have picked.

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I think that my learning about Linux consumed more time than I would have earned doing my job to pay for Windows licences. But this is experience which I already have and now will be easier for me to learn more advanced things.

But... it is not only about the money... why so many people are migrating to Linux now.

Also... it is more fun to build own WWW server instead of paying hosting company for it. The same with own cloud server at home etc.

Some people go fishing... others during winter time... are learning about Linux and JRiver ;-)

Awesome Donkey:

--- Quote from: mattkhan on December 28, 2023, 05:25:23 pm ---this thread is OT, it has nothing to do with MC and is simply "I don't know much about linux"
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Yep, pretty much. I imagine Jim will probably move the thread at some point.

--- Quote from: max096 on December 28, 2023, 06:20:23 pm ---NVK is getting along lately too. There was some tweet at some point where it supposedly beat proprietary drivers in some vulkan game. Looked a bit flaky though because the proprietary one pushed 165fps exactly. Did he forget to turn off vsync? Or does vsync just not do anything on the open source drivers? Anyway, point is we could see open source drivers for nvidia be very useable (soon tm) on modern cards (2xxx series and up as I understand). As long as you don´t need cuda. Which you (probably) don´t care about very much if you drop nvidia all together because of not having a working oss driver (there is some wiggle room in that argument because maybe amd or intels stuff can fill the gap for xyz application and then you just don´t have anything on nvidia).

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NVK (an open-source Nvidia Vulkan driver) is great to see, and the progress it has made is great for Linux gamers especially. It's just a shame that Nouveau is pretty much useless for newer Nvidia GPUs (for reclocking support they have to wait for signed binary firmware from Nvidia, which I doubt is coming anytime soon, if ever, for newer GPUs) and users are basically forced to use the proprietary drivers. I don't think Nvidia is really that serious about open-source and are pretending to care at face value so they can say they've changed and care when they don't), I mean why would they care? They never have before and it certainly has no benefit to them when they already have mature proprietary drivers. I see their attempts as half-hearted at best, straight up smoke screen at worst. I would honestly be surprised if Nvidia plans to stick around in the graphics business for the long term since their AI business has started to take off like a rocket.

Back to Linux and Nvidia GPUs... I feel bad for users who have secure boot enabled (and you either can't or won't disable it because you're dual booting with Windows 11) since with most distros you're going to have to self-sign the proprietary Nvidia drivers to get the system to even boot. I believe Ubuntu is one of it not the only Linux distro that has signed Nvidia drivers and works out-of-the-box with secure boot enabled. Other distros like Debian and Fedora support secure boot too but (as far as I know) you'd have to self-sign the Nvidia drivers to get it to work with secure boot enabled. And distros like Arch Linux you'd have to self-sign both the bootloader and the Nvidia drivers to get the system to boot with secure boot enabled.

I honestly would say to potential users that if they have a newer generation Nvidia GPU, unless they are experienced with Linux and know exactly what they're doing it's probably better to avoid using Linux and just stick with Windows because of the potential hassles involved... which is exactly what I assume the OP encountered here.

max096:

--- Quote from: Awesome Donkey on December 29, 2023, 07:09:04 am ---It's just a shame that Nouveau is pretty much useless for newer Nvidia GPUs (for reclocking support they have to wait for signed binary firmware from Nvidia, which I doubt is coming anytime soon, if ever, for newer GPUs) and users are basically forced to use the proprietary drivers.

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GSP firmware for 4000 series cards was merged into kernel 6.7 not too long ago.

rifergom:
In my humble case I must say that linux is a blessing, under my point of view windows doesn't care about the user in the least, besides following him deeply, to know until when he is going to empty his bladder (and this is true).

And the future is not at all pleasant, the business model of this company is to collect data, instead of offering an operating system at the total service of the user, but it is clear that this is a personal vision.

Regarding Linux in general and JRiver in particular, the sound I get from my machine, I never got it from windows with the proprietary driver that is not developed since 2016 (but this is up to the hardware manufacturer, Sound Blaster, rather than windows) of my X7 DAC/AMP.

And it really seems like magic to get the same performance in games, and in many cases better than the same game running on windows.

For what it's worth, my distro is MXlinux 23.1 libretto, Nvidia driver 535.146.02 and pipewire.

❯ pactl info

Server string: /run/user/1000/pulse/native

Library protocol version: 35

Server protocol version: 35

Is Local: yes

Client index: 717

Mosaic Size: 65472

User name: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Host Name: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Server Name: PulseAudio (in PipeWire 1.0.0)

Server version: 15.0.0

Default sample specification: float32le 2ch 96000Hz

Default channel mapping: front-left,front-right

Default source: alsa_output.usb-Creative_Technology_Ltd_Sound_Blaster_X7_0000007J-00.analog-stereo

Default source: alsa_output.usb-Creative_Technology_Ltd_Sound_Blaster_X7_0000007J-00.analog-stereo.monitor

Cookie 68d6:56fa

MxLinux, is based on debian, but it is a Semi rolling release distro, so many applications and utilities are updated to the latest stable versions. It has 3 desktop environments, the most popular being XFCE (the other two are KDE Plasma and Fluxbox), although you can install any of them. And finally, among the installation isos available, there is AHS (Advanced Hardware Support) with ultra-modern kernel versions, which support the latest hardware.

Please understand the following with the utmost respect, but windows means involution.

Happy New Year to all

ths61:

--- Quote from: jmz on December 28, 2023, 06:33:57 pm ---...
... why so many people are migrating to Linux now.
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Telemetry, adware, spyware, malware, bloatware, virus distribution vector, network bandwidth hog, forced cloud, endless updates, nuisance background apps that are automatically reinstalled after pairing down/deleted/disabled, ...

You are paying MS to monopolize your HW, bandwidth and data.

Did I miss anything ?

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