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jmz:
--- Quote from: Awesome Donkey on December 28, 2023, 02:03:09 pm ---Well, better Linux hardware support and Nvidia don't really mix, but nothing new there. I recently bought a new GPU, and I almost got a Nvidia GTX 4070... then I remembered that I might want to use Linux and dealing with Nvidia's proprietary drivers is something I did NOT want to do. So I picked up a AMD RX 7800 XT for Black Friday and it's been a great with both Windows 11 and Ubuntu 23.10. And on Ubuntu there's no need to mess around with proprietary drivers or driver PPAs, no tweaks or anything needed. It works extremely well out-of-the-box. With CPUs there's really not much issue with those, as both AMD and Intel typically send in what's needed for the Linux kernel way before the new CPUs release.
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I want to build new workstation next year. But I don't think that I will go for GTX 40xx. Also because of Adobe software I will not go for Linux as main system. But I may setup Linux as second system for other than Adobe tasks.
Most of my IT hardware is at least few years old... this is why I'm not facing too much problems.
But installing nVidia drivers on Debian 12.4 some time ago was bit too complicated for me. Maybe in the future I will be able to do it.
This is the pain... sometimes simple tasks can cause problems on Linux... then we need invest some time to solve them. After that... it is OK.
I remember when you mentioned sudo differences between Debian and Ubuntu. Problem is bit more complicated than I initially thought. But managed to solve it.
BTW... both Debian 12.4 and Ubuntu 22.04 are using wayland as window manager. But on Debian I can change monitor refresh rate... on Ubuntu not.
Awesome Donkey:
I don't think Adobe will ever release any of the Creative Cloud apps for Linux due to the low userbase compared to Windows and Mac, which is a shame. But I do get why this is, they likely know that investing time developing for Linux won't really make a return on that investment, it's likely not enticing enough for them even though the lack of Adobe apps is a holdout for a good number of would-be Linux users. That's why I generally recommending dual booting Windows and a Linux distro instead of replacing Windows with Linux... unless you want to completely escape the Windows ecosystem and know full well there's going to be apps not available on Linux (and won't run well through Wine/Proton) and any alternatives may not be as good.
--- Quote from: jmz on December 28, 2023, 03:58:28 pm ---BTW... both Debian 12.4 and Ubuntu 22.04 are using wayland as window manager. But on Debian I can change monitor refresh rate... on Ubuntu not.
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No problems changing monitor refresh rate here with Ubuntu 23.10, I have a 165Hz monitor and I can switch refresh rates without issue in both the Wayland and X11 sessions. This could be a Nvidia thing too, so that would be my guess (I'm soooo glad I didn't get a Nvidia GPU).
mattkhan:
this thread is OT, it has nothing to do with MC and is simply "I don't know much about linux"
--- Quote from: jmz on December 28, 2023, 03:58:28 pm ---But installing nVidia drivers on Debian 12.4 some time ago was bit too complicated for me. Maybe in the future I will be able to do it.
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https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_12_.22Bookworm.22
max096:
--- Quote from: jmz on December 28, 2023, 11:48:09 am ---I wouldn't expect anything good from MS. Maybe they will introduce Windows as subscription service one day. But probably earlier we will see adverts being displayed on Windows OS. Also each new version will spy on us more. If something from big company is coming for free (or almost free) we and our privacy are the price.
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I would say "free" version of Windows with subscription for AI features is definitely a possibility. We'll see.
Youīve listed a bunch of reasons why someone might not like windows. I just think if price is the only thing on your list (you essential want to use Windows but for free) youīve got a very weak reason to use Linux out of all the ones you could have picked.
--- Quote from: Awesome Donkey on December 28, 2023, 02:03:09 pm ---Well, better Linux hardware support and Nvidia don't really mix, but nothing new there. I recently bought a new GPU, and I almost got a Nvidia GTX 4070... then I remembered that I might want to use Linux and dealing with Nvidia's proprietary drivers is something I did NOT want to do. So I picked up a AMD RX 7800 XT for Black Friday and it's been a great with both Windows 11 and Ubuntu 23.10. And on Ubuntu there's no need to mess around with proprietary drivers or driver PPAs, no tweaks or anything needed. It works extremely well out-of-the-box. With CPUs there's really not much issue with those, as both AMD and Intel typically send in what's needed for the Linux kernel way before the new CPUs release.
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NVK is getting along lately too. There was some tweet at some point where it supposedly beat proprietary drivers in some vulkan game. Looked a bit flaky though because the proprietary one pushed 165fps exactly. Did he forget to turn off vsync? Or does vsync just not do anything on the open source drivers? Anyway, point is we could see open source drivers for nvidia be very useable (soon tm) on modern cards (2xxx series and up as I understand). As long as you donīt need cuda. Which you (probably) donīt care about very much if you drop nvidia all together because of not having a working oss driver (there is some wiggle room in that argument because maybe amd or intels stuff can fill the gap for xyz application and then you just donīt have anything on nvidia).
jmz:
--- Quote from: mattkhan on December 28, 2023, 05:25:23 pm ---this thread is OT, it has nothing to do with MC and is simply "I don't know much about linux"
https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_12_.22Bookworm.22
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Thanks... I know this tutorial. I tried it some time ago. But first I had problem that Debian wanted the CD with installation version. I learned how to solve this.
But then at some point of installing the drivers... something went wrong. I can't remember what.
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