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[JimH]

NEW YORK (Reuters) - A New York City committee on Tuesday chose two possible designs to replace the World Trade Center, and both call for the city to construct the world's tallest building on the site of the twin towers destroyed in the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=578&ncid=578&e=8&u=/nm/20030204/ts_nm/attack_tradecenter_dc

I   NY

[zevele10]

Here a link.
It is from a french newspaper ,but if you click on the picture you can see the pictures bigger.

http://www.liberation.fr/page.php?Article=75688&Template=GALERIE&Objet=3001

[Autoelph]

I remember my first trip to NY after those towers were built, and every trip back home (born in Brooklyn) I always got excited seeing those rise up over the horizon as we were still many miles down the turnpike. I will miss that visual, my last visual being the smoke rising above lower Manhattan as my wife and I fled the city (yea, I was there that fateful day, about 20 blocks north). I haven't been back since, but that city and I will mend the wounds someday soon. As for new designs, it should be something that can evoke that same turnpike excitement. I look foward to it.

NY rules!

[zevele10]

first time i was in NY ,the tallest was Empire......

[fdgsdfg]

WE LOVE NYC -- WE FEEL NYC -- AND WE CAN'T WAIT TO STRAIGHTEN SOME NONSENSE OUT IN THE MIDEAST

DC IS DOWN WITH NYC

[Mastiff]

Well, that will be kind of hard as long as the current administration in Israel creates more and more terrorists fighters every day. That's the first place the US should clean house, preferably with the words: "No more financial aid from us until you make up with the palestinians and get out of the occupied territories!"  

[zevele10]

We will do without US money for a start- i do not say it would be easy.
But we did manage allready under Regan 2.
Now if you think that we are the roots of creating terrorists ,look like they -the terroristes - understand things much better than you do-

NO ONE  ,read my words, would never ever oblige us to do what they want.

Beside this most of the money is not -as you think- direct money.
It is USA acting as a guarantor for loans take on the market

[JimH]

Mastiff and Zevele,
Go to your rooms.

Jim

[zevele10]

you are right.
Delete my post

[JimH]

If you don't mind, I'll leave both posts for a while.  It's a good example of how a few words can erupt in to something a lot bigger.

It starts as a different way of looking at the world (Democrats and Republicans) and then it escalates into a battle (Christian Fundamentalists against everybody else).

It's part of why I think religion can be a bad influence in the world.  

Here's something I ran across yesterday in my notes.  It's a quote from E.B. White:

"Democracy, if I understand it at all, is a society in which the unbeliever feels undisturbed and at home.  

"If there were only half a dozen unbelievers in America, their well-being would be a test of our democracy, their tranquility would be its proof."

[zevele10]

I am in a very bad mood today.
One of our evening is canceled because of terrorist alert level 10 -on 10-

I saw on another forum that riaa is just a zionist conspiration to make life of people a pain in the ...
-so stupid when Imesh =created by 2 israelis
SouLeek by another one
and Audiogalaxy by an american jew.

I did not  expected  simplistic rhetorique here.

Listening to Millions of Dead Cops  album : Now more than ever

[JimH]

Here's a good book.  I've just finished reading it for the second time.  It's called "The Cowboy Way" by David McCumber

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0380788411

It's a little like the book, " A Year in Provence", that came out a few years back, but it details the daily life on a ranch in Montana.  The ranch is around 100,000 acres, something like 10 miles by 10 miles.  It's different than you might think.  A lot more about engines and equipment than about horses.  Plenty of snow and cold and long days of hard work.

[zevele10]

Thank you !
Amazon is not a place i use to go.
And i did not know that there is auctions and second hand
And ,unlike HalfBay from Ebay ,many sellers send worlwide.
This is good news. Because of the postage price ,i am much better to buy  mint second hand books.
I mean a second hand + postage = price of one new before postage
Now ,if i find some Cormac McCarthy's books and the 2 James Ellroy i do not have  in the second hand section ,i MAY be in a good mood again ,who know?

[Autoelph]

It's part of why I think religion can be a bad influence in the world.

Don't want to start up what you were trying to squelch, but I couldn't agree more on that. It seems to tears us apart rather than bring us together.

Where would we be without the progessive nature of thought? The Earth apparently would be flat, no electricity, no structure at all, just a bunch of tree-swingin crap flingers. Yet most organized religions have undergone no new thought process in thousands of years. Thousands of years!

Some other good reading:

Zen and the Art of Making a Living: A Practical Guide to Creative Career Design
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0140195998/qid=1044550853/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-5012160-1521451?v=glance&s=books

[aussie1]

This thread is treading on a potentially explosive debate. I'll stay away from it...but after the quote from E.B. White and the statement that religion hasn't advanced for thousands of years, I couldn't resist posting one thought provoking (at least for me) idea from Plato.

We look back on Athens in 245BC as representative of many of our Democratic ideals. Yet this system couldn't survive the Pelopponesian war. Seeing this destruction, Plato, who distrusted Democracy, wrote in The Republic, that society's leadership must invent the concept of God to teach and provide justice. They must also invent the idea of a pleasant afterworld as a way to keep citizens good. In describing what children must learn, he says "...What next? If they are to be courageous they must learn still other lessons. They must learn not to fear death-or do you think anyone could be brave who is afraid of death? No, I don't. What about any man who believes the underworld is real and terrible? Will he be likely to be fearless? In battle, will he prefer death to defeat and slavery? He will not. Then we must expand our supervision to those who write and tell stories about these matters, too. We must ask them to speak better of Hades [the afterworld] rather than worse, for what they tell us now is not true, nor is it edifying for those who are going to be warriors." In the Myth of Er, Plato then describes the great Greek heros going to a heaven and the terrible ones going to a hell.  Plato was the first one to write about the afterworld in this way.  You will not find anything like this in the Old Testament. Christianity incorporated these ideas as it sought to spread through Greece and Rome.

As our country both pursues more faith-based initiatives and prepares for war, I think Plato's comments are fascinating.

[Autoelph]

In modern society, it is believed that subjects not fit for general discussion include religion, politics and sex...

I think it's gonna snow here in D.C. today...

[zevele10]

Plato's comments are fascinating

ANY  Plato comment is.
Many time they sound as wrote last week.

You are right about hell.
In the Thora -old testament- lucifer is an angel living somewhere in the sky ,not a hight level as the man upstair but in the sky.
Anyway the danger of such a subject is to mix religion and religious.
I mean i really think that religion is a plague , christianity the worst thing who never happened to Earth.
But i have very good friends of infinite quality who are church goers in England .
Here i know some synagogue goers who are the same.
In France i was close friend with a muslin who had a great great wisdom[? sagesse in french ]

I mean this people are of such quality because they are believers
So what? Kill the boss but not the workers , or not all of them???

Anyway look like i am better to use  Amazon UK .
Cheaper on the long run ,faster.
And sleeves of UK  paperback editions are muuch muuuch nicier than the US ones

[zevele10]

Not the first time i post it ,but:
In indian religions ,if you are good you live again.
Depending how good you been ,in stone ,tree,animal.
The very top is in men again.

Just cross the street ,you have boudism.
Life is a punishement.
You will not reincarnate when you are good enought in one life.
Until then ,have another life

[aussie1]

I apologize for my previous post about Plato. It opens up so many explosive issues.  Such heated discussions are not appropriate for the forum.  I wouldn't be offended if you removed it.

[zevele10]

Such heated discussions

Look like you are young on this forum...
We had much more heated artefacts here..

[JimH]

I enjoyed the Plato quote.  

It can get a lot more heated than that here.  

[zevele10]

JimH
DONE

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=books-uk&field-keywords=The%20Cowboy%20Way&bq=1/ref=sr_aps_all/202-3266274-6754212

And

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/0330334611.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Now i have to sell a as new UK edition of
Cormac McCarthy     Cities of the plain

it is the volume 3 of the Border triology
Or ,if you prefer the last book of the saga.
Means you can start from the end and get the story backward..not bad!

As new ,only 49 pages read.  In bed with 2 pillows under the head ,as to not deteriorate the book.

MEGA BONUS
You get a sign book [ ?] from Steimaztzky main books seller here  since 1925 with many paitings on it ,Chaggal, Margrite,Picasso,Klimt and others. And some very exotic hebrew letters
Make offers here

[Autoelph]

Yea, I though the Plato bit was very interesting, always love to learn something new.

"Two things seperate man from beast: The thumb, which has been extremely productive over the years in creating our dominance over beast, and the mind, which is concocting a plan to send us back."

[JimH]

"Politics is kind of like being a football coach -- you have to be smart enough to understand the game and dumb enough to think that it's important."

-- Senator Eugene McCarthy

[lise]

"Whew... I need a beer"

-- Lise

[JohnT]

Thank you !
Amazon is not a place i use to go.
And i did not know that there is auctions and second hand
And ,unlike HalfBay from Ebay ,many sellers send worlwide.
This is good news. Because of the postage price ,i am much better to buy  mint second hand books.
I mean a second hand + postage = price of one new before postage
Now ,if i find some Cormac McCarthy's books and the 2 James Ellroy i do not have  in the second hand section ,i MAY be in a good mood again ,who know?

A used book web site that Nikolay pointed me to is http://www.abebooks.com

[zevele10]

Thank you
But the problem is shipment
At this site they charge $9 first book and $4,5 each more

So you have to find the books you want at the same place ,if not it is expensive.

It is not cheaper with Amazon
$11 first book and $4 each more at Amazon US
$9.50                     $4.80              at Amazone UK

If you buy from Amazon ,you are sure to find the books you are looking for and spend less on postage.
But even like it ,it is not cheap.

The best way is to find it here.
In this case price is allmost the same  than the tag price in $ or UK pounds.
But you cannot order.
Well you can but you are not sure they will get it and it can take ages.
Second hand shops in towns where there is a lot of 'anglos' are still the best  bet

I did my yesterday order at Amazon UK.Cheaper in the long run ,but first ,faster to get.
Beside it ,in UK they had kind of 'look alike  hardcover paperback'. The paperbacks are almost  big as hardcover  and i like more they sleeves[?]

And know ,i want to read again Platon [Plato]
But this i want in french-

[JimH]

If you'll tell me what you want and send the money, I'll get it and put it on a bus for you.

[zevele10]

Remains me of a joke when i was a kid.

Few times a week ,a man cross the french/spanish border with a bear in a big cage on wheels.
The french custom officier is very suspicious  and always check all.
One day going so far as to  fasten [?] the bear to a tree and putting the cage to small pieces.
But nothing,no tabac ,no alcool ,no drugs.

Many years after when both old they met in a bar .
The custom officier says :" now tell me what you traffic was about"
" Funny you never found out : bears "

So ,fill an old fridge with books and send it to me.
Declare $45 value of the fridge - do not speak about the books-

They would be very happy to have such an easy job: an old fridge value $45 = 18% of consumation taxes.
And i would get all the books free of any taxes..

HEY HEY ,look like there is heads very well fill on Interact

[pbnyc]

You can view the 2 options and vote for one here:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/849103.asp

BTW: A good friend of mine is part of the architecture team with the "Think" proposal.  If you're so inclined, I'd greatly appreciate your vote for "Think."

pbnyc