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[haggis999]

In normal circumstances, I run Media Center on a Windows 11 workstation that has an RTX 3070 GPU, which appears to run fine with a 65" OLED TV using the JRVR 'Quality Preset'.

However, I am now intending to buy a new Windows 11 laptop. This will occasionally be used for MC with a digital projector and I would appreciate some guidance on what GPU specification I should be looking for to get decent JRVR performance. The JRVR Balanced Preset is described as good for "high-end integrated graphics and mid-range dedicated graphics cards", while the Quality Preset is intended for "faster dedicated graphics cards".

My problem is that I don't know how those descriptions translate to the available GPU options in 2024. What currently counts as high-end integrated graphics and mid-range dedicated graphics cards as far as JRVR is concerned?

[mattkhan]

I think you need to give more detail as it depends what you are trying to achieve

e.g. upscaling dvd to 4k can take quite some horsepower

[slerch666]

Most modern GPUs accelerate 4K upscaling, so asking JRiver what is a would detail what "high end" means isn't unreasonable.

Would be nice if there was something in the Wiki that indicated, if you turn on X, you should have a discrete GPU or indicate, expect this kind of hit to system resources for this kind of quality so it is easier to understand what the impact, visual and CPU/GPU, is for the user.

[haggis999]

I think you need to give more detail as it depends what you are trying to achieve

e.g. upscaling dvd to 4k can take quite some horsepower

I would only be playing rips of my Blu-rays, but don't have access to a 4K projector and therefore have no need for any upscaling.

[mattkhan]

I would only be playing rips of my Blu-rays, but don't have access to a 4K projector and therefore have no need for any upscaling.

So you just playing 1080p content to a 1080p display? Not sure there is much for it to do in that case

[JimH]

Most modern GPUs accelerate 4K upscaling, so asking JRiver what is a would detail what "high end" means isn't unreasonable.

Would be nice if there was something in the Wiki that indicated, if you turn on X, you should have a discrete GPU or indicate, expect this kind of hit to system resources for this kind of quality so it is easier to understand what the impact, visual and CPU/GPU, is for the user.

I think we'd need to get NASA involved in that.

[haggis999]

So you just playing 1080p content to a 1080p display? Not sure there is much for it to do in that case

I'm no expert on this topic, but the JRVR Wiki mentions a lot more benefits than upscaling. Do those other features make many demands on the GPU?

[mattkhan]

I'm no expert on this topic, but the JRVR Wiki mentions a lot more benefits than upscaling. Do those other features make many demands on the GPU?

Yes but if you are playing a Blu-ray on a matching display then they are not relevant so it doesn't matter. playing a uhd, now it matters (tone mapping mainly but also downscaling

[haggis999]

Yes but if you are playing a Blu-ray on a matching display then they are not relevant so it doesn't matter. playing a uhd, now it matters (tone mapping mainly but also downscaling

So in these circumstances I would see no difference between Red October Standard and Red October JRVR?

If so, it looks like I don't really need anything better than integrated graphics on my new laptop as far as my planned use of MC is concerned. That will save me some money

[haggis999]

I think we'd need to get NASA involved in that.

It shouldn't be that complicated to provide examples of graphics adapters that meet each of your four categories, i.e. low-end integrated, high-end integrated, mid-range dedicated, and faster dedicated. If nothing else, you could list the graphics adapters that were used when testing JRVR and writing the Quality Preset descriptions that use this categorisation.

[JimH]

We don't make hardware recommendations.  There are too many factors to be able to make blanket statements about hardware.

You could learn a lot by reading the other threads about this subject on this board.

[mattkhan]

So in these circumstances I would see no difference between Red October Standard and Red October JRVR?

Quite possibly but jrvr is still going to be the one to use.

[slerch666]

I'm no expert on this topic, but the JRVR Wiki mentions a lot more benefits than upscaling. Do those other features make many demands on the GPU?

Maybe it would be difficult to determine GPU impact.

I guess it would be nice if in the Wiki it just said something like if you have an Nvidia XXXX/AMD YYYY (whatever the generational equivalents are), then you are good and able to use all the features at the highest settings.

Hendrik might have an idea of what is reasonable in that regard, or maybe which options are more demanding, but I do think the guidance in the menus isn't as relevant as it was 10-15 years ago given the capabilities of integrated graphics today. It's crazy how good they've gotten.
Especially AMD's work in that space where you can get a NUC size machine that is supposed to have the graphical prowess of an NVidia 1070 in an integrated package.

[BryanC]

Maybe it would be difficult to determine GPU impact.

I guess it would be nice if in the Wiki it just said something like if you have an Nvidia XXXX/AMD YYYY (whatever the generational equivalents are), then you are good and able to use all the features at the highest settings.

Hendrik might have an idea of what is reasonable in that regard, or maybe which options are more demanding, but I do think the guidance in the menus isn't as relevant as it was 10-15 years ago given the capabilities of integrated graphics today. It's crazy how good they've gotten.
Especially AMD's work in that space where you can get a NUC size machine that is supposed to have the graphical prowess of an NVidia 1070 in an integrated package.

Here's one data point. An integrated 680M in a Ryzen 7 7735HS can upscale everything I've thrown at it on the highest settings (Jinc multitap) with sharpening. I am not tonemapping, only passing through HDR. I have also limited the processer cTDP to 35W.

[tkolsto]

BryanC. I Am wondering of ditching my rtx 3050 8gb card for a Cpu with built in gpu next time I do an upgrade. But I have a intel mobo. So my question is, is intel as good as amd when it comes to built in gpus?

Atm I think of ntel Core i7-12700K CPU or even the 13 th gen. I also read now that intel are "silently" launching..12, 13, 14th gen cpus without those e-cores. So this could be even a better choice as they have had heating problems with the present 13, 14 th gen cpus.

I might also in 2 years time go for a whole new pc with new mobo cpu..and I would choose Amd if they are considered better with built in gpus.

I see You have trown all in in Jrvr settings without problems, thus I dont see the point in a dedicated gpu as this is good enough picture quality wise. The only thing I Am thinking of now is, as I only have had dedicated gpus..is..artifacts(built in gpus could be even better in this reguard too, as both cpu and gpu are so close toghether, tight).

[Awesome Donkey]

So my question is, is intel as good as amd when it comes to built in gpus?

No, not even close. Intel has been making progress with graphics with Iris and Arc but they're still far behind AMD in terms of performance when it comes to integrated graphics.

I honestly wouldn't consider Intel at the moment, especially after the 13th and 14th gen debacle that's happening. All of AMD's current Ryzen 5000 and 7000 CPUs are excellent.

[Hendrik]

All of AMD's current Ryzen 5000 and 7000 CPUs are excellent.

Except those integrated GPUs are actually garbage, not even worth having for video duties (well 5000 doesnt even have any outside of the dedicated APUs)

[tkolsto]

Ok Thanks! I think I stick with intel and a dedicated gpu. Afterthought; I was reading that Hendrik is working on better stability on timing that could work better on some systems(i dont know what he means by some systems..os, gpu , cpu?). I hope this get implemented on the next version.


"I've been working on a new presentation mode that might offer better stability with timing on some systems, although it won't fix any issues caused by mis-aligned audio clocks or anything like that, in which case frame drops or repeats are inevitable to keep audio sync.
Let us know how that goes once it arrives, but that might still be a bit."