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POLL: Who Should Represent the Democratic Party for the Presidency Now?
JimH:
--- Quote from: FenceMan on July 24, 2024, 11:06:47 am ---So if someone with a different POV joins in all of a sudden it has to be moved?
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It was a random act.
FenceMan:
--- Quote from: whoareyou on July 24, 2024, 11:35:27 am ---If Harris had a mob of people attack the convention hall in Chicago, to prevent Biden from accepting the nomination, I'd never vote for her.
I'd never vote for a Democrat again, until leadership was completely overhauled.
Ok, so let's assume that Harris shouldn't be the nominee (as if an insurrection and withdrawing a candidacy are the same thing) because Harris staged a "coup".
If this is the reason to not vote for Harris, then how can anyone vote for the guy who also attempted a coup, with an angry mob that attacked our police force while wanting to "hang Pence".
And what's wrong with moving a topic to the proper forum area?
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Explain to me how "peacefully and patriotically" means that Trump "had a mob of people" attack?
Protesting something is not an attempted coup. What happened on Jan 6 was disgraceful but it has no bearing on what happened to President Biden. The man was elected President and then elected to be the nominee via his parties convention. What gives anyone the right to push him out? Are you really naive enough to think that he made the decision on his own? I think anyone that is being honest knows that he was forced out, it has already been reported that he was given three weeks to do things "the easy way" and was about to be subjected to "the hard way" thus he finally relented. If you are ok with this then by all means vote for Harris. BTW I don't think anyone believes she had anything to do with this, she has no power yet to do such a thing, she may well be a fine candidate and / or President if elected but that will never change the face that the Democratic party took out President Biden.
FenceMan:
--- Quote from: JimH on July 24, 2024, 11:54:40 am ---It was a random act.
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You will have to forgive me if I feel wronged here. I am a paying customer just like everyone else here and if you are going to make a political post (which I wholeheartedly disagree with, it has no place where you put it) in your forum then you have to accept the discussion that ensues and you should not hide it when one of your (very supportive) customers says something you may not agree with.
mwillems:
--- Quote from: FenceMan on July 24, 2024, 12:04:53 pm ---Explain to me how "peacefully and patriotically" means that Trump "had a mob of people" attack?
Protesting something is not an attempted coup. What happened on Jan 6 was disgraceful but it has no bearing on what happened to President Biden. The man was elected President and then elected to be the nominee via his parties convention.
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A point of clarification: the Democratic convention hasn't occurred yet (it won't happen until August). I say this not to be pedantic, but because it actually matters for lots of legal reasons; the parties are ultimately the ones who choose their nominees using their internal processes (for example the Dem convention has a large slate of uncommitted "super-delegates" not awarded in primaries that could effectively choose a candidate other than the one who got the most primary delegates in some circumstances, etc.).
So Biden has not been chosen as the party's nominee at the convention because it hasn't happened yet (and he won't be chosen now). He was the presumptive nominee because of the primary results, but the party had not yet formally chosen him as their candidate. Harris will likely be the actual designee next month.
JimH:
Nobody forced Biden to leave. He realized finally that he was likely to lose and take a lot of other people down with him.
His first instinct was to fight, but the opposition was overwhelming. I've supported him in the past and still admire him. I made a pretty serious donation early on, but I waited to give the second half because I wanted to see how things would play out. I'm glad I waited and I'll now give it to Kamala Harris.
He just heard from too many old friends who very gently and diplomatically encouraged him to reconsider, and he finally did. Nobody forced him out. I've seen no evidence that anybody threatened him in any way.
And the money dried up.
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