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POLL: Who Should Represent the Democratic Party for the Presidency Now?

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Awesome Donkey:
Ultimately, I don't think any of it really matters. Both parties are pretty terrible at this point and I personally wouldn't vote for any of them. No matter who wins or loses, it doesn't change the fact the country as a whole is basically permanently divided with no real resolution of the issues that keep it divided in sight.

FenceMan:

--- Quote from: JimH on July 24, 2024, 12:13:53 pm ---Fenceman,
Let's relax.

Nobody forced Biden to leave.  He realized finally that he was likely to lose and take a lot of other people down with him.

His first instinct was to fight, but the opposition was overwhelming.  I've supported him in the past and still admire him.  I made a pretty serious donation early on, but I waited to give the second half because I wanted to see how things would play out.  I'm glad I waited and I'll now give it to Kamala Harris.

He just heard from too many old friends who very gently and diplomatically encouraged him to reconsider, and he finally did.  Nobody forced him out.  I've seen no evidence that anybody threatened him in any way.

And the money dried up.

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Just so you understand what the other side is thinking that part in bold is exactly the point.

In our view Democrats are so power hungry right now that the mere thought of losing causes them to pressure the POTUS to give up his lifelong dream before he was ready.  Is staying in power really that important?  Is the thought of losing an election and having the other side govern for 4 years really so scary that being behind in a few polls 4 months before the election causes this epic meltdown and pushing aside of a man that clearly did not want to go?

Anyway larger point is I as your customer should be given the same courtesy to respond to your political post as everyone else.  Why do you tell me to relax and no one else?  Are we all not just having a spirited discussion here?

JimH:
I'm sorry that you feel that way.  I don't mind a spirited discussion, but when you call someone gullible, you've stepped over the line, in my opinion.  Maybe I missed similar behavior from the other point of view.

JimH:

--- Quote from: Awesome Donkey on July 24, 2024, 12:23:19 pm ---Ultimately, I don't think any of it really matters. Both parties are pretty terrible at this point and I personally wouldn't vote for any of them. No matter who wins or loses, it doesn't change the fact the country as a whole is basically permanently divided with no real resolution of the issues that keep it divided in sight.

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"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time; but there is the broad feeling in our country that the people should rule, and that public opinion expressed by all constitutional means, should shape, guide, and control the actions of Ministers who are their servants and not their masters."

-- Winston Churchill

JimH:

--- Quote from: FenceMan on July 24, 2024, 12:07:59 pm ---You will have to forgive me if I feel wronged here.  I am a paying customer just like everyone else here and if you are going to make a political post (which I wholeheartedly disagree with, it has no place where you put it) in your forum then you have to accept the discussion that ensues and you should not hide it when one of your (very supportive) customers says something you may not agree with.

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It had nothing to do with you.

The thread started here, then I added a poll and moved it to the more frequented MC32 board.

Then BryanC suggested moving it back.  I did that and removed his post because it made no sense after the move.

I'm afraid you misunderstood what happened.

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