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FenceMan:
--- Quote from: JimH on July 24, 2024, 01:19:33 pm ---I'm sorry that you feel that way. I don't mind a spirited discussion, but when you call someone gullible, you've stepped over the line, in my opinion. Maybe I missed similar behavior from the other point of view.
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Saying that my chosen candidate is going to invade Canada isn't stepping over the line?
Do you really honestly believe that if Trump is elected we are going to invade Canada? Sorry I said I was out and now I am being a hypocrite but this is so very important that these lies should not go unchallenged.
Really what did you think was going to happen when you brought politics into the forum that everyone reads? Is the current climate not charged enough that it now has to be injected into our hobbies?
JimH:
OK, you're right.
craigmcg:
Hi,
As the Canadian who seems to have started the sh#tsh@w that this thread turned into, I apologize for expressing my concerns about the potential for the USA to slip into autocracy if someone's preferred candidate is re-elected as President after the Supreme Court's recent absolute immunity decision makes him above the Law and his former appointees in co-ordination with the Heritage Foundation have prepared and distributed online an instruction manual for him (since his name is mentioned a few hundred times in the 900+ pages) to seize almost all the powers of the Executive Branch. I also apologize for using the pejorative term MAGAts for Trump supporters as it was inflammatory and what seems to be most needed is the return of courtesy/civility in political discourse.
FenceMan, as you presume I am not a Conservative in my own country much less yours, but there are clear historical precedents of autocratic leaders either annexing or invading their neighbours as Putin is currently doing in Ukraine and the doctrine of Manifest Destiny was prevalent for many years in the USA. I can however, say with complete honesty that I have never had the concerns that I raised in this thread with the elections of George W Bush, George H W Bush, Ronald Reagan, Gerald Ford, Richard Nixon, or Dwight Eisenhower.
I wish you all well and that your upcoming election is free, fair, and provides whomever wins with a strong mandate to govern in keeping with the post WWII alliances.
I'm now out as I have no vote to cast in this election!
jmone:
At some point US Politics went from "West Wing" to "House of Cards". Both Red and Blue have done an "excellent" job in demonizing the other. No more "let the best man win" rather we "need to stop the evil other from winning". Both sides are wrong.
If you acted and spoke like either candidate at work you would be fired. If you did it at home you would be arrested for abuse. It's all just bitter personal attacks. Unfortuanly, this appalling behavior from the top gets filtered down creating political zealots on both sides.
I need to get same caps printed with. "Relax, The end of the world is (not) neigh" aka in Aussie "She'll be right mate"
FenceMan:
--- Quote from: craigmcg on July 24, 2024, 09:34:19 pm ---Hi,
As the Canadian who seems to have started the sh#tsh@w that this thread turned into, I apologize for expressing my concerns about the potential for the USA to slip into autocracy if someone's preferred candidate is re-elected as President after the Supreme Court's recent absolute immunity decision makes him above the Law and his former appointees in co-ordination with the Heritage Foundation have prepared and distributed online an instruction manual for him (since his name is mentioned a few hundred times in the 900+ pages) to seize almost all the powers of the Executive Branch. I also apologize for using the pejorative term MAGAts for Trump supporters as it was inflammatory and what seems to be most needed is the return of courtesy/civility in political discourse.
FenceMan, as you presume I am not a Conservative in my own country much less yours, but there are clear historical precedents of autocratic leaders either annexing or invading their neighbours as Putin is currently doing in Ukraine and the doctrine of Manifest Destiny was prevalent for many years in the USA. I can however, say with complete honesty that I have never had the concerns that I raised in this thread with the elections of George W Bush, George H W Bush, Ronald Reagan, Gerald Ford, Richard Nixon, or Dwight Eisenhower.
I wish you all well and that your upcoming election is free, fair, and provides whomever wins with a strong mandate to govern in keeping with the post WWII alliances.
I'm now out as I have no vote to cast in this election!
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All I am saying is you shouldn't believe whatever crazy media you are reading that is giving you the impression that invading Canada is something that would ever happen.
You think an if we truly did elect an authoritarian dictator that person would care what the courts say about anything? If a person was truly so evil that they would just start invading Canada that any court would be able to stop them? Do you also not understand the US has a system of checks and balances and that if a President ever did attempt to do such a thing they could be removed from office very quickly?
Do you really think that a man that has already been President for four years is going to get reelected and then just decide on a whim in his fifth year in office hmmm maybe I should invade Canada?
Your argument is just so absurd that it's difficult to not react as I have. Ther world didn't end under Trump 1, it didn't end under Biden, it won't end under Trump 2 or Harris.
I strongly disagree with the policies of Harris / Biden, I would like to elect someone whose policies I agree with simple as that. It is very difficult to discuss with someone who thinks that a vote for my candidate will result in an unprovoked invasion of Canada - that is such an outlandish and crazy point of view.
BTW didn't your government freeze the personal assets of people who protested COVID lockdowns? Isn't that far more authoritarian than anything Trump has ever done? I would be far more afraid of a government that would stop me from feeding my family because of my beliefs that I would be of any US administration.
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