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mikolajek

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DSD with non-exclusive ASIO control?
« on: January 13, 2025, 10:32:56 am »

I've been using a simple output setup for years, having the signal just run to my DAC + speakers via WASPI. This way I didn't have to close JRiver to e.g. answer a Teams call (or operate any other app that uses sound).

I played a bit with the output options and realized I can have my sound output set as DSD (8x) and it sounds in my ears a lot better than the previous setting. The issue is that while enabled it literally steals the DAC/speakers and make it invisible for other apps. Is there any way to keep DSD output, but disable ASIO exclusive access to the DAC/speakers? I've seen some custom ASIO drivers allowing for this, but I don't want to mess around my config too much.
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Re: DSD with non-exclusive ASIO control?
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2025, 10:41:53 am »

Not possible, ASIO for DSD is always exclusive in the DAC driver itself (depending on the DAC's driver it likely has a ASIO DSD mode you can possibly see it switch to in its control panel when using it) with no way to disable that unfortunately. The alternative to ASIO is to use WASAPI exclusive if the DAC supports DoP but that's also an exclusive output. I suppose the other alternative is to convert DSD to PCM but that's likely not desirable here. As far as I know you can't output DSD without using ASIO (in its exclusive DSD mode) or WASAPI exclusive.

I assume you mean you're using the DSP Studio > Output Format > Output Encoding set the 8xDSD option? If so, do know that converts everything including PCM to DSD and is a lossy conversion and resource intensive for the system to do on-the-fly. Unfortunately, the only way to avoid the issue with needing to use exclusive mode would be to set the Output Encoding feature set to None and instead use DSD bitstreaming for playing back DSD content only and leave PCM as-is with WASAPI or ASIO. It won't solve the issue when playing back DSD content as DSD requires exclusive mode but it would allow PCM to play as it did before.
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Re: DSD with non-exclusive ASIO control?
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2025, 02:57:34 am »

depending on the DAC's driver it likely has a ASIO DSD mode you can possibly see it switch to in its control panel when using it
Not in my case unfortunately, I use XMOS USB DAC driver and it has literally no options to configure (only streaming ON/OFF and buffer settings).

The alternative to ASIO is to use WASAPI exclusive if the DAC supports DoP but that's also an exclusive output.
I have this ability (up to 4XDSD on DoP, but I) it sounds a bit worse to me (subjectively) and ii) since it's still exclusive, then... ;)

I suppose the other alternative is to convert DSD to PCM but that's likely not desirable here.
Indeed, it's not I'd like to have, especially not all my files are high-res.

I assume you mean you're using the DSP Studio > Output Format > Output Encoding set the 8xDSD option? If so, do know that converts everything including PCM to DSD and is a lossy conversion and resource intensive for the system to do on-the-fly. Unfortunately, the only way to avoid the issue with needing to use exclusive mode would be to set the Output Encoding feature set to None and instead use DSD bitstreaming for playing back DSD content only and leave PCM as-is with WASAPI or ASIO. It won't solve the issue when playing back DSD content as DSD requires exclusive mode but it would allow PCM to play as it did before.
Yes. that's muy current config. And, wow, thanks a million for such a comprehensive explanation!
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Re: DSD with non-exclusive ASIO control?
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2025, 08:58:57 am »

One more thing on this config - there's no point in opening another thread.

What I experience is that when I select other music for playing (e.g. another album), I hear first 1-2 secs of the material that I just stopped playing.

Seems like the buffer needed to empty first. Is that the case? Should I somehow decrease the driver buffer size or do something else? In fact I tried decreasing the driver buffer (set as max of 32,768 samples) but once confirmed, it would auto-return to this number...
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Re: DSD with non-exclusive ASIO control?
« Reply #4 on: Today at 12:12:06 am »

I'm not sure if this will help you or not.

It sounds like you are using an external sound card?  If that's the case then there is most likely also an internal sound card.

I do something similar with this set up.  I send all my JRiver music to either direct to the DLNA on my receiver or to ASIO and then to a specific input on my receiver. 

I have the standard audio card on my PC going to another input on my receiver and send all standard windows sounds to that.  If I want to watch Youtube or receive a Teams / Skype etc... on my PC I simply change the input on my receiver to the standard sound card output.

Then my JRiver config is left untouched and I can switch back and forth at will.

You should probably be able to do that even with a single sound card if it has multiple outputs (SPDIF / Analog out etc...)

Hope that helps.
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