Topic: To: Gateley - Digital ID (Read 8987 times)

KingSparta · « **on:** January 15, 2003, 01:52:00 am »

I wanted to ask this question but i forgot.

Lets say you have a copy of an MP3 40 Mins Long and You Submit it Thru "Submit Track To YADB"

And Then Later Maybe A Month, 30 Seconds Is Cut From The File, And All Tags Are Lost.

If you Go To "look Up Track Info From YADB"

Will it still find the track info?

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Or
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If Someone submits a track that is short 30 seconds

and another user has the same file and it is not short the 30 seconds and does a lookup.

Will it find the data for the file?

John Gateley · « **Reply #1 on:** January 15, 2003, 04:55:47 am »

Hi King,

It depends on where the 30 seconds are chopped.

First: the track ID stuff is for identification, not validation - we don't check to make sure the whole song is there or check quality or anything like that.

The track ID should be flexible enough to handle a second or three chop at the beginning, but probably not more than that. Chops after the first few (either 10 or 30) seconds won't affect the ID at all.

j

TimB · « **Reply #2 on:** January 15, 2003, 05:22:29 am »

Mr G:

I've finally got 99% of my CD's ripped. I'd like to highlight all 11,000+ files and setup a mega "Submit Track Info" and let it run overnight. Would you recommend/discourage this?

(Dunno if it matters but I'm using .89.)

-=Tim=-

John Gateley · « **Reply #3 on:** January 15, 2003, 05:29:07 am »

Hi Tim,

First, you should probably upgrade to the latest version, there's been quite a few changes since 89.

Submit them all at once, overnight. That'll be great.

Thanks,

j

TimB · « **Reply #4 on:** January 15, 2003, 06:57:03 am »

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Hi Tim,

First, you should probably upgrade to the latest version, there's been quite a few changes since 89.

Like not seeing CD drives, having problems with Win98 and not being able to return to .89?

ONLY JOKING GUYS! See my signature!

However losing MC9 functionality when I'm almost at the end of this monster project might cause me to lose what little of my mind that's left.

-=Tim=-

John Gateley · « **Reply #5 on:** January 15, 2003, 07:55:56 am »

Hi Tim

89 should be ok

j

KingSparta · « **Reply #6 on:** January 15, 2003, 08:26:04 am »

Gateley..

Ok, I was wondering if there was a check on length of the data file.

How you said it was done is how i was thinking it was done and would be a "Good Thing" just in case the file had to be trimed for some reason or it was cut off.

I think I will Submit My Files Here shortly now that i am finished with Taging and working on them to clean them up a bit.

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One other question if i submit and -=Tim=- submites the same file. will the second be rejected or will it also be submited and at some point will the list need to be cleaned from dups?

For one all my submites have the chart pos, and year entered in the "Comment" Field. If the Comment Field Is Submited i would hope mine would be the one to keep and not a blank one, If the second submit is rejected.

Thanks.

TimB · « **Reply #7 on:** January 15, 2003, 08:30:15 am »

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For one all my submites have the chart pos, and year entered in the "Comment" Field. If the Comment Field Is Submited i would hope mine would be the one to keep and not a blank one, If the second submit is rejected.

Thanks.

Hmmm, how about if John Smith has a better (or more likely, different) idea about what to put in that comment field?

Not me, you're 10x more organized than I am. Maybe I shouldn't submit my files?

-=Tim=-

John Gateley · « **Reply #8 on:** January 15, 2003, 09:08:03 am »

Oh yeah, I forgot about the file length. Yes we check that too. Remember: it is for identification, not validation..

Only the first of each track is accepted (unlike the CD stuff). Currently, the only way to improve an existing entry is to tell me about it, but this will change.

Tim - go ahead and submit. The process has to be robust enough to improve over time, so even if your files are not perfect and King's are, it'll remind me to fix this.

j

zevele10 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 15, 2003, 09:32:29 am »

John
There is something i do not understand
Submit track info means upload infos to YADB or get it from YADB ?

According to your answer ,i may have more to ask

John Gateley · « **Reply #10 on:** January 15, 2003, 09:45:45 am »

Hi Zevele,

"Submit track info" means uploading your information to YADB.

j

KingSparta · « **Reply #11 on:** January 15, 2003, 09:51:47 am »

Tim

>> Hmmm, how about if John Smith has a better
hehehe, I was playing with you

Gateley

I am really wondering because i may have some that may be cut off at the end.

zevele10 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 15, 2003, 09:53:10 am »

So i understood right.
And more to ask.

In the case you are new to MJ or MC ?
Or if you got cds infos with another jukebox ?
In the case of songs from Emusic? And other places?
Or ONLY for riped cds?

What about the double entrys?
What going to happen if i put songs from p2p not yet with a tags in the proper way? Just as i got it from Audiogalaxy?
There is not a danger of user messing around the YADB data ?

I do not mean wanting it , but just by mistake

John Gateley · « **Reply #13 on:** January 15, 2003, 10:02:59 am »

Hi King, don't worry about it.

Hi Zevele,
There will always be possibilities of data corruption, but the individual track stuff is set up better to handle this (if you submit a track that already exists, it won't accept it). It shouldn't matter where you got a song (ripped from a store-bought cd or recorded from the radio).

j

zevele10 · « **Reply #14 on:** January 15, 2003, 10:19:10 am »

Last one [??]

I got cd info from another player.
I rip the cd
I submit track info to YADB.
Let say the cd was not in YADB.
In this case ,from my action the cd would be in the data ,as a cd ? If someone want to play it ,he would get the cd infos?
Or it will work only for 'get track info'?

Sorry to ask non stop,but i want to be sure

John Gateley · « **Reply #15 on:** January 15, 2003, 10:39:36 am »

track info and cd info are very different. Submitting track info does not submit CD info, nor vice versa.

j

zevele10 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 15, 2003, 11:01:52 am »

OK !
Now ,i get the picture.

So i will stil upload cds infos,not only tracks

KeystoneCop · « **Reply #17 on:** January 15, 2003, 11:08:26 am »

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track info and cd info are very different

Help the dummie (ME) out.. are you telling me if the information saved when ripping a cd will not be found when doing a single track lookup? I am the one who keeps asking for album lookup on yadb, is this why it cannot be done.. it worked in version 8 I thought a long time ago. help?

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John Gateley · « **Reply #18 on:** January 15, 2003, 11:22:19 am »

Hi KeystoneCop,

Part of the problem is terminology (or lack of). YADB does three things: CD lookup, CD lookup for recording, and track lookup.

CD lookup uses info from a CD to look it up in the database, returning artist/title/track info. This info is based on the CD table of contents, and not actual contents of the songs.

CD lookup for recording is similar, except it takes and artist and title patterns and looks for CDs matching those. It returns track names and lengths for easy recording of cassette tapes.

Track lookup uses a fingerprint of a single track to determine the title/author and other info for a track. Even if you submit tracks in blocks (like a CDs worth of tracks), the lookup is based on the characteristics of each track (and it doesn't matter if it is mp3/ape/whatever).

When you rip a CD and submit the info to YADB (via a right click on the CD icon and "submit to CD database"), you are only filling in the CD lookup/CD lookup for recording database, not the track lookup database.

If you highlight a song (or group of songs), right click on them, and tools->submit track info to YADB, this only fills the track lookup DB, and
not the CD lookup DB.

All of these work in Media Center 9. Only the CD lookup works in MJ8, but all should work in the next release.

j

KeystoneCop · « **Reply #19 on:** January 15, 2003, 12:13:50 pm »

Thanks, now I even understand . Thanks for all your efforts, and the great software.

TimB · « **Reply #20 on:** January 16, 2003, 07:11:20 am »

As reported by YADB stats individual files on YADB went from 77,000 last night to 89,000 this morning so I guess my update went through OK.

-=Tim=-

John Gateley · « **Reply #21 on:** January 16, 2003, 07:25:37 am »

I thought it might be you, but I don't know who bumped it from 6x,000 to 77,000. Did you happen to notice how many files you tried to add vs. how many were actually added? It would give me an idea on how complete the DB is.

Thanks!

j

NoCodeUK · « **Reply #22 on:** January 16, 2003, 09:44:17 am »

I added just over 2000 files last week...not a huge impact I know but it would have made some difference!!
Adam

TimB · « **Reply #23 on:** January 16, 2003, 09:53:07 am »

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I thought it might be you, but I don't know who bumped it from 6x,000 to 77,000. Did you happen to notice how many files you tried to add vs. how many were actually added? It would give me an idea on how complete the DB is.

Thanks!

j

It was 77, 270 when I started and approx 89,000 when I checked this am (sorry I didn't get the exact number, I'm less coherent first thing in the morning). I sent 12,107 files.

-=Tim=-

KingSparta · « **Reply #24 on:** January 16, 2003, 09:54:17 am »

>> Did you happen to notice how many files
>> you tried to add vs. how many were actually added?
I Did not look at what the stats were yesterday also, and your Submit System does not tell how many submited were added like it did when you were Beta testing this option.

I submited 25,000+ Yesterday \ Last night

All Are Files In the top 100 Billboard From 1940 To 2002

All Had Billboard Chart Info In the Comment Field.

John Gateley · « **Reply #25 on:** January 16, 2003, 10:00:12 am »

Hi Adam,

Do you know how many you tried to add vs. how many were actually added?

Thanks,

j

NoCodeUK · « **Reply #26 on:** January 16, 2003, 11:09:26 am »

Afraid not but I didn't see any errors so I am guessing it was the majority. I will check next time. I have got some new stuff in the library since then...

Adam

TimB · « **Reply #27 on:** January 18, 2003, 02:25:08 am »

I had asked about updating YADB using .89 and the wise and indulgent Mr Gateley suggested "First, you should probably upgrade to the latest version, there's been quite a few changes since 89." To which I responded...

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Like not seeing CD drives, having problems with Win98 and not being able to return to .89?

ONLY JOKING GUYS! See my signature!

However losing MC9 functionality when I'm almost at the end of this monster project might cause me to lose what little of my mind that's left.

-=Tim=-

After making the above post I thought I should mention that I upgraded yesterday from .89 to .100 with NO PROBLEMS!

Go Go Go JRiver!

-=Tim=-

KeystoneCop · « **Reply #28 on:** January 22, 2003, 02:05:19 pm »

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All of these work in Media Center 9. Only the CD lookup works in MJ8, but all should work in the next release.

I should have asked, when is the next release, looks like 9.0.101 doesn't have it. does that mean I wait until version 10. or 9.1 or ? This has been on the wait list for a long time.. just remember (love the software, just want to fix my files)

JimH · « **Reply #29 on:** January 22, 2003, 02:11:35 pm »

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I should have asked, when is the next release, looks like 9.0.101 doesn't have it. does that mean I wait until version 10. or 9.1 or ? This has been on the wait list for a long time.. just remember (love the software, just want to fix my files)

With 9.0.101, you should be able to submit tracks to YADB and look up tracks from YADB.

KeystoneCop · « **Reply #30 on:** January 22, 2003, 02:13:56 pm »

The question was when can we look up albums that have already been ripped. Version 8 had this.

KingSparta · « **Reply #31 on:** January 22, 2003, 02:18:29 pm »

i think he is talking about CDDB's ByFile Lookup that basicly takes the songname and the artist and looks it up.

If so this has been answered 30 times in the past 2 months

KeystoneCop · « **Reply #32 on:** January 22, 2003, 02:30:12 pm »

ok, I guess i just don't understand, so Help the dummy(me) again..

I thought this was going to work, click on the 12 songs that are in an album , and click on a option to get info from yadb.. The same way you would insert a cd to rip and look up info. If I am the only one wanting this, then forget it. if it has been ansered 20 times, i just don;t understand, try and make it perfectly clear.

KingSparta · « **Reply #33 on:** January 22, 2003, 02:40:32 pm »

Click On The files
right click
Tools
LookUp Track Info From YADB

Now this will do a Digital ID lookup and is not based on Tags (Should Be Better)

The problem is only about 100,000 files are in the database. and is not the same data for YADB CD Lookups.

Once all your files are tagged correctly you can submit them by useing the same but us the Submit option.

KeystoneCop · « **Reply #34 on:** January 22, 2003, 02:50:31 pm »

Not to keep this going, but what I hear is this will not work in media center. So I need another tool to tag albums that have already been ripped. sure would have been nice, anyone got a good program to use???

KingSparta · « **Reply #35 on:** January 22, 2003, 02:59:45 pm »

>> Not to keep this going, but what I hear
>> is this will not work in media center.
MJ never Taged Albums already riped.

there was one proram that did do this and It Was called Tag&Rename

MJ did lookup files already riped, but not as albums

MC does also but the database is small right now.

I wish they would allow this like CDDB had along with digital lookup.

KeystoneCop · « **Reply #36 on:** January 22, 2003, 03:08:04 pm »

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I wish they would allow this like CDDB had along with digital lookup

ME 2
Listening to: 'Happy Trails' from 'Songs Of The West' by 'Roy Rogers And Dale Evans With T' on Media Center 9.0..
I just don't understand. will have to go look for some other tools.

Listening to: '9999999 Tears' from 'The 101 Greatest Country Hits Vol 3: Easy Country' by 'Dickey Lee' on Media Center 9.0

Winstone · « **Reply #37 on:** January 22, 2003, 03:15:04 pm »

Bonjour,

What appen with all French accent like : é è à ç etc.
When I submit to YADB and I lookup after, letter are not correct.

Ex:

Richard Séguin before I submit to Yadb
Richard SÃ©guin after when I lookup from Yadb

Musicalement vôtre

KingSparta · « **Reply #38 on:** January 22, 2003, 03:31:41 pm »

if your not using MC 9.0.101 try it and if it is broken then submit it in the bug thread.

fex · « **Reply #39 on:** January 23, 2003, 01:16:02 pm »

Submitted in the last two hours 7003 files trying to blow YADB over 100'000. I succeded, but it seems I was not alone. Before there were 94'300, now we are at 107'610.

Fex

JimH · « **Reply #40 on:** January 23, 2003, 02:08:02 pm »

Thanks, Fex!

Anyone who has well tagged tracks, please submit them.

KeystoneCop · « **Reply #41 on:** January 23, 2003, 02:13:46 pm »

Easy Question this time, do you retain any information on who submits what?

JimH · « **Reply #42 on:** January 23, 2003, 02:19:56 pm »

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Easy Question this time, do you retain any information on who submits what?

No.

John Gateley · « **Reply #43 on:** January 23, 2003, 04:17:31 pm »

Woohoo! 100,000+ Thanks Y'all.

Nickolai has 1100 Russian songs that he never added. Back when the database was new (20,000 tracks or so) he bet me a dollar that there would be at least 1 percent false hits. There were 0. Just for kicks, we tried it a couple of days ago (90,000 tracks) and this time we got a single hit - but it was correct!

j

zevele10 · « **Reply #44 on:** January 23, 2003, 10:08:26 pm »

question
Do the songs need to be check for quality before upload info track to YADB?
I do not ask about tags. This i know they have to be ok.
I do not mind to rip XXX cds and upload tracks -and cd- infos.
But when using my computer to do other things. It may happen that there is artefacts on same tracks.
Is this ok?

And what about boot?
Like Stones live or Dylan total Basement Tapes 5 cds
I upload as well?

John Gateley · « **Reply #45 on:** January 24, 2003, 06:53:45 am »

Hi Zevele, upload everything, boots and artifacts.

j

zevele10 · « **Reply #46 on:** January 24, 2003, 09:58:59 am »

OK
Here the plan
i have around another thousand cds to check.
Those not in YADB but in others datas =upload on the spot.
Those nowhere ,latter , for my use if not any other user...
Rip and upload songs.
Indee alternative country psy garage punk country and some french rock
Starting next week

fex · « **Reply #47 on:** January 24, 2003, 01:07:11 pm »

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OK
Here the plan
i have around another thousand cds to check.
Those not in YADB but in others datas =upload on the spot.
Those nowhere ,latter , for my use if not any other user...
Rip and upload songs.
Indee alternative country psy garage punk country and some french rock
Starting next week

Nice plan! And I typed in all my tracks one after the other for myself, thousands and thousands...

Fex

zevele10 · « **Reply #48 on:** January 24, 2003, 01:19:11 pm »

This is an HUDGE task.
I hoppe for you you are english mother tongue speaking.
If not it is even a biger Hudge task.
Have a look at my post on MJ8 "DIFINITIVE STATEMENT ABOUT YADB & cdbb" concerning how to get infos when not in YADB.
Now ,if like me you have a very alternative collection, there is some you do need to type.
Like this cd i just try : GEL' same' indee US 1996

Listening to: 'Track 1' on Media Center 9.0

KeystoneCop · « **Reply #49 on:** January 24, 2003, 01:36:37 pm »

It's me again with the some type of question.

Most have several hundred cd's already saved as Albums in mp3 format. I cannot understand why they could not be saved to YADB as cds and not just as track images.

then one data base could support both.

My digital english doesn't seem to be understood.

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