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Video streams in Italy (slightly OT)
« on: December 04, 2003, 01:41:10 pm »

Sorry if this post is a little off-topic here, but I am rather new to forums at large, and I don't know where to post it otherwise (any suggestions?). So, since we talk about streams at large here, I am posting it here.

I have been watching the Italian TV broadcasting scene for a while, bat I never got fully into it as a consumer. The scene has been changing a lot, recently with the introduction on "Free Air" satellite decoders and with the apploval of the "Gasparri" law. My considerations apply to Italy, but most of them should apply world-wide as well.

To date, there are several ways a video stream can enter your house in Italy. There are so many types of video streams (maybe even Mr. Gasparri knows them all).

1) Cable [CBL]
In Italy there is no cable TV.
The only way to receive video over a cable is via IP. Fastweb is the only operator that offers this service, in two flavors:
1.1) Fast ADSL (2 and 4 Mbit/s), that requires a very high quality copper wire and short connection to the telephone exchange (actually to the SL "stadio di lines")
1.2) Fiber Optics, available only in few areas
Fastweb uses rather new technologies, and presents serious security threats to users that connect their PC directly to their WAN. An hardware firewall is strongly recommended for Fastweb users.
Signal Type: IP packet stream
Support (home): Ethernet cabled LAN (is WiFi fast enough to handle video streaming?)
Quality: average

2) Satellite [SAT]
2.1) Free Air. A "Free Air" decoder is now priced at around Euro 100
2.2) Subscription. Sky is the only subscription operator available for italian users. Its prices start from 20 Euro/month for theis basic offer ("Primo Sky") plus 7 Euro/month for decoder rental. A decoder with CAM module ("smart card") is required
Signal Type: modulated digital signal in the 10 GHz range
Support (home): coaxial cable
Quality: good

3) Digital Terrestrial TV [DTT] [DVB]
Three types of decoders are available:
- Type 1, non-interactive, priced around Euro 150
- Type 2, interactive, priced at about Euro 200, requires a return channel for interactivity (does it use only modem over POTS or can it use a permanent Internet connections like ADSL?)
- Tyoe 3, highly interactive, allow you to save on hard disk (PVR)
Signal Type: modulated digital signal in the 900 MHz range (not sure)
Support (home): 75 Ohm coaxial cable (not suer)
Quality: don't know (seen in TV news seems good, people I heard said it is poor)

4) Analog Terrestrial TV [ATT]
It's the Plain Old TV Service (POTS!)
Signal Type: modulated analog signal, in the 900 MHz range (not sure)
Support (home): 75 Ohm coaxial cable
Quality: poor

There are a variety of devices that handle a single type of video stream (an input/ouput matrix would be interesting.). The ultimate device would be able to handle them all.

Personally I will wait a while for technologies and standards to stabilize.  Then I will be looking for:

A) A flat LCD TV (not very big, 30" maximum) with integrated Type 2 (interactive) DTT decoder. An Ethernet interface, with the ability to stream [CAB] a PC signal, as well as to interact with a PC, would be a plus.

B) An external Type 3 DTT decoder with a fast PC interface (USB 2.0 or FireWire) that allows me to record video streams on hard disk (PVR)

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Re:Video streams in Italy (slightly OT)
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2003, 03:12:49 pm »

Hi Negopus,

Media Center has some of your Type 3 decoder functionality, and we are also working to support various devices (like TiVo and the Sony Network Media Receiver) that have this functionality as well.

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Re:Video streams in Italy (slightly OT)
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2003, 12:38:39 pm »

Sony Network Media Receiver

Great device!

It fills a missing area in the input/output matrix I was talking about.

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Re:Video streams in Italy (slightly OT)
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2003, 12:59:22 pm »

I'm reading the specs of Sony's VAIOŽ RoomLink? Network Media Receiver CNA-MR10 at http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=Vsr04YnTZpv0-bYDheT-6sbcECWsRK9doEE=?CategoryName=cpu_Sony_PCAccessories_MediaReceiver&Dept=cpu&TemplateName=item%2fsy_item_a&ProductSKU=PCNAMR10

It is really an interesting device. Sounds really promising, but it is still not ready:
- it is too bound to Sony's hardware and software
- it does not read MPEG-4/DivX streams

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Re:Video streams in Italy (slightly OT)
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2003, 01:38:14 pm »

Hi Negopus,

I have an alpha version of support for the Sony in Media Server. It only handles music right now, but will handle pictures in the future. Let me know if you are interested.

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Re:Video streams in Italy (slightly OT)
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2003, 02:40:41 pm »

Yes, I am really interested, but only in the concept. I think the Sony device is not mature yet.

I am ready for networked entertainment. My house is fully cabled for 100 Mbit/s Ethernet, with a plug right on the back of the TV, but I would wait for technology to stabilize.

In particular I want to have a clear view of the situation of Digital Terrestrial TV here in Italy, and wait for PC peripherals handling DTT. My idea is DTT -(antenna)-> PC peripheral -(USB 2.0 or FireWire)-> PC --> Media Server -(100 Mbit/s Ethernet)-> Sony Network Media Receiver --> Flat LCD TV. Too complex for just watching TV, but feasible to record transmissions too.

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Re:Video streams in Italy (slightly OT)
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2003, 02:43:15 pm »

Another interesting device is Hauppauge MediaMVP http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/html/mvp.htm.
It seems a trend is starting towards this kind of devices.

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Re:Video streams in Italy (slightly OT)
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2003, 06:36:01 pm »

Yes, there is a trend to these. Basic functionality seems to be playback of music and photos. Added functionality is PVR (a la TiVo) or a DVD player. Linksys or Dlink also has one out, as well as HP.

They are an interesting answer to the question: "Will your stereo be driven by a PC or by a network". At home, my stereo has a PC sitting next to it, which communicates via wireless with the file server in the basement or the internet. I'm putting another stereo in, and will put another PC next to it. An alternative is these devices: instead of the PC sitting next to the stereo, one of these devices is, getting music from the main server (in my basement in my case).

It is very immature technology though (as you've noted) and it's fun watching it grow.

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Re: Video streams in Italy (slightly OT)
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2005, 05:23:17 pm »

John G
Quick question, is the MediaMVP supported by MC11? for music, images, and video?
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Re: Video streams in Italy (slightly OT)
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2005, 10:05:01 am »

Nobody's reported either way, but I suspect not. It's not UPnP compliant from what I can tell.

Take a look at this thread for more info:

http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=25823.0

It has quite a bit of info of devices like this working with MC.

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Re: Video streams in Italy (slightly OT)
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2005, 11:09:25 am »

John,
Which of the supported group has the best interface.
I will direct connect and want to play everything from MC11.
MP3's
DIVX - XviD
Jpeg
Recorded TV shows.

Thanks for the help.  Nice Job.

Gary
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