Topic: Tagging feature (Musicmatch vs. Media Jukebox) (Read 5077 times)

Deivit · « **on:** November 13, 2002, 11:33:10 am »

Hi all,

I'm currently using Musicmatch but I really love MJ database capabilities in comparison with the lack of this feature in Musicmatch. I'm testing MJ since last week in order to decide if I can switch definitely to it.

Now, my question is:

Is there a feature in MJ similar to that of Musicmatch "super-tagging"? ... I mean the ability to search for tags and cover art of tracks connecting to an external source (CDDB or similar)... not when ripping CDs (which already works) but also for tracks already in the database. The CDDB feature in MJ, accessible through the track property menu, has never worked since I installed MJ last week.

If the feature is not present... are there plans to set it up in a near future? This would be important for me.

Thanks for your help and congratulations for your software.

Deivit
Barcelona, Spain

JimH · « **Reply #1 on:** November 13, 2002, 11:42:38 am »

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Is there a feature in MJ similar to that of Musicmatch "super-tagging"? ... I mean the ability to search for tags and cover art of tracks connecting to an external source (CDDB or similar)... not when ripping CDs (which already works) but also for tracks already in the database. If the feature is not present... are there plans to set it up in a near future? This would be important for me.

Thanks for your help and congratulations for your software.

Thanks. And welcome to MJ.

Track lookup is coming very soon in version 9. It may begin within a week. People are muttering and sputtering here right now.

For images, many people use copy and paste from various web sites.

Que parleu catala? Es un otro aqui qui habla catala.

Cmagic · « **Reply #2 on:** November 13, 2002, 11:50:17 am »

Hello Deivit,

In the current MJ8 version what you can already do for tracks already in the database is !

Right Click/Properties....
Then Tools/Get Information from CDDB.... (might be YADB now isn't it ?)
and also Image/Get from the internet for cover arts

As Jim just said, for cover arts I just use copy and paste from amazon or allmusic.com (a great site).

One thing is for sure Deivit, prepare yourself for some solid fun with MJ

Hey Jim you also habla espanol ?

Listening to: 'Si Voy A Perderte' from 'Cuts Both Ways' by 'Gloria Estefan' on Media Jukebox

JimH · « **Reply #3 on:** November 13, 2002, 11:54:58 am »

Buenos Tardes, Cmagic,
Que tal? Es bueno ahi? Bueno. Es bueno aqui tambien.

Si, tengo veinte o treinte palabras, mas o menos.

But John Gateley speaks Catalan because he lived in Barcelona for several years. I had to ask him how to say "do you speak catalan".

xen-uno · « **Reply #4 on:** November 13, 2002, 11:57:03 am »

>For images, many people use copy and paste from various web sites

Even though I don't bloat

my files with images....the two best places I've seen are amazon.com and AMG.
AMG is outstanding for Bio's and album\track listings. Both are very complete.

Xenno

edit> well...CM said it...so did I...now it is forever burned into your memory

RandyR · « **Reply #5 on:** November 13, 2002, 12:18:24 pm »

Hey Jim,

I've been asking about this ability to update tags on imported MP3 files for months now...and you've always said "its coming soon"...

Do I understand correctly that it will it only be in Version 9???

I purchased version 8 based on the fact that you said its coming and that Version 8 would focus on Audio, while Version 9 would emphasize all media.

What's up???

Randy

Deivit · « **Reply #6 on:** November 13, 2002, 12:24:13 pm »

Thank you all for your answers and suggestions.

Yes Jim, I speak catalan :-) and it's nice to see other people who speak catalan here too! This is a nice community and people here are very helpful.

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In the current MJ8 version what you can already do for tracks already in the database is !

Right Click/Properties....
Then Tools/Get Information from CDDB.... (might be YADB now isn't it ?)

This is the feature I was refering to that I cannot run properly. I'm always receiving this error message:

CDDB: Malformed command sent from server to client

Thanks again.

Deivit
Barcelona, Spain

John Gateley · « **Reply #7 on:** November 13, 2002, 12:29:17 pm »

It's coming very soon now.

benvingut i fins la propera....

j

KingSparta · « **Reply #8 on:** November 13, 2002, 02:13:13 pm »

MY 2 Cents.

I think MJ8 is complete, the only changes to MJ8 should be any burner upgrades and bug fixes.

Any and all enhancements should be in MJ9

zevele10 · « **Reply #9 on:** November 13, 2002, 02:24:19 pm »

The point is not to complete MJ8 but to put back a fonction 'get info from YADB insted of cdbb

NY40Male · « **Reply #10 on:** November 13, 2002, 05:11:47 pm »

Some Of Us (ME) Who Don't Want To Upgrade To Version 9 Think That Should Be Added To Version 8...MusicMatch I Think Is Great For Just That One Purpose Alone (SuperTagging) And That Is The One Thing That Was Definitely Left Out Of Version 8 That Shouldn't Have Been (Or A Similar Feature)...Skinning Hairs Is Not What I'm Looking For

Scronch · « **Reply #11 on:** November 13, 2002, 07:05:52 pm »

...here we go again...

JimH, back in September, here, I warned:

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The concept is good, but the proposed implementation is not.

Sequential release numbering implies eventual replacement, or at the very least dropping of support. A commitment to continue developing MJ8 ("the music-only product") is somewhat hollow, because someday your financials will dictate a new, full release of the "music-only product". What then? Will it be called MJ10, and then the follow-on to MJ9 ("the full product") will be MJ11? HP got themselves into this mess a while back with HP-UX. Even-numbered releases ended up being for Unix workstations, and odd-numbered releases for server hardware. It was silly and very confusing. If you do not plan a future full release of the "music-only product", then the direction that has been so thoroughly discussed on this forum is simply being delayed.

I think you have arrived at the same place HP found themselves.

In your defense, you have said, here:

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Clarity:
MJ8 is done, except for bug fixes.

MJ9 is our focus. It will split into two products:

1. All Media
2. Music Only

That answers the question, even though it's not what many of us want to hear.

Scronch

RandyR · « **Reply #12 on:** November 13, 2002, 07:19:59 pm »

Sconch,

I'm not so concerned with numbering as knowing what I bought.

I surely did not intend to pay full price for a product that was "done." As long as I can obtain an upgrade to the new "music" product - whatever the nomenclature - without paying again, I'm OK.

If its not going to be JRiver's policy to provide this upgrade to new purchasers of MJ8, then MJ8 should not be offered as a product. It is unreasonable, in my opinion, to have customers pay full fare for a product if indeed its imminent "death" is planned.

Scronch · « **Reply #13 on:** November 13, 2002, 07:29:10 pm »

RandyR -

I recommend you go to the links I included and read them thoroughly. This whole thing is not about numbering, at all, it is about direction and product positioning. Here are the links again:

MJ Directions and Pricing

Is MJ8 dead?

Is MJ8 Alive?

There are others, as well.

JimH has said that an MJ8 license will work with MJ9 (and vice versa). Someday, though, JRiver may decide to make an MJ9 license work with MJ10--if so, that is the reason you should've bought the MJ9 license.

Scronch

RandyR · « **Reply #14 on:** November 13, 2002, 07:41:55 pm »

Scronch,

I understand. I also remember there being a price that we could upgrade to the MJ9 licence from MJ8 at this point.

I certainly didn't intend to purchase a product at the end of its life cycle...and that wan't made clear except to those who thoroughly analyzed the forum...like yourself. A "normal" consumer shouldn't have to do that.

Anyway, thanks for clarifying things...and if you do recall the upgrade policy, I would appreciate you posting it for me.

Randy

michel · « **Reply #15 on:** November 14, 2002, 02:54:10 am »

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Even though I don't bloat my files with images

The word "bloat" seems a little bit exagerated: an average jpeg cover from AMG is about 10KB. An average 128Kb/s mp3 file is about 3MB.

So a cover represents 0,3% of the file size.

And it is so nice to display them with a thumbnail view (with MJ9) !

But please, let media server provides it to clients...

michel · « **Reply #16 on:** November 14, 2002, 02:55:34 am »

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Hey Jim you also habla espanol ?

Jim was speaking catalan, not spanish (also called castellano).

Deivit · « **Reply #17 on:** November 14, 2002, 04:12:37 am »

After reading this thread so far, a new doubt comes to mi mind:

I am at the beginning of the 30 day trial period of version 8 but will probably be ready to stick to MJ and pay my 25 bucks in the next days.

I didn't know of version 9 till I read the forum, since the default download for trial purposes is version 8 (By the way, do I need a paid license to test version 9 ?)

Anyway, let's assume that I pay my 25 bucks and register MJ... what do I do? Shall I register my version 8 from within the application? It seems to me that the right thing to do would be paying for a Version 9 License, but I don't feel very comfortable using a beta version when bugs and fixes come up day by day. Is it an easy job to re-install every time a bug is fixed?

Since this case will probably not be exclusive to me... What do you suggest to the people who are in the same situation, i.e. in their 30 days trial period and willing to register the software? Your comments and suggestions will be very much appreciated.

Thanks again,

Deivit
Barcelona, Spain

JimH · « **Reply #18 on:** November 14, 2002, 05:28:42 am »

I've edited this thread because it strayed into license talk and then got heated. Our policies concerning licensing are covered in the FAQ under Jukebox/Purchase above. Version 9 is still in beta, several months away from release.

We try to be fair in our licensing, but it is impossible to handle each case personally. Please accept this reality. We're delivering a lot of functionality for $25.

This thread is now open again for discussion on the original topic.

zevele10 · « **Reply #19 on:** November 14, 2002, 06:00:05 am »

And you know what ?
In MJ 7 was a visu based on only albums sleeves.
It was just great.

I had ostrich hamburger and Corana beers, i digging the ground right now to have a hole where to put my head...

In french we call this kind of sentence ' opening the door to get a lashing answer'

Deivit · « **Reply #20 on:** November 14, 2002, 06:13:03 am »

OK, thanks very much Jim. I will register very soon.

Deivit
Barcelona, Spain

zevele10 · « **Reply #21 on:** November 14, 2002, 06:29:51 am »

Well ,sometimes better to shout his big mouth .
Cause now i need help:
What 'expletive' means,i do not know this word

serious now ,not joking

michel · « **Reply #22 on:** November 14, 2002, 06:40:48 am »

expletive:

1- noun (exclamation) exclamation f; euphemistic (swearword) juron m; linguistics explétif m.

2- adjective explétif/-ive.

JimH · « **Reply #23 on:** November 14, 2002, 06:54:55 am »

When the Nixon Whitehouse Watergate tapes were first made public, the transcripts used the term "[expletive deleted]" extensively, as in:

"If those loud-mouthed [expletive deleted] Democrats think they can [expletive deleted] have their [expletive deleted] way with the [expletive deleted] Whitehouse, they can [expletive deleted], [expletive deleted], [expletive deleted]."

xen-uno · « **Reply #24 on:** November 14, 2002, 07:08:43 am »

Simple solution to robustness of YADB vs CDDB:

Hire Kevin Mitlick (when out of slammer) to hack into CDDB and bring data contained over for inclusion into YADB database.
A fundamentally sound solution to me

.

Xenno

michel,

Yeah...that's not much bloat at all. Are these images contained:

A. within the file
B. as a link in the file
C. within MJ DB as a link
D. none of your durn bizness
E. none of the above

zevele10 · « **Reply #25 on:** November 14, 2002, 07:36:30 am »

Look like ostrich no good for me ,because :

adjective explétif/-ive. Even in french i do not know this word.
Xen
I like very much the sleeves with songs .
It is the kind of thing you really can go without in another hand .
And ,i say since one year ,with a expletive deleted visu .it is MEGA SUPRA GADOL

gadol =great

michel · « **Reply #26 on:** November 14, 2002, 07:51:39 am »

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A. within the file
B. as a link in the file
C. within MJ DB as a link
D. none of your durn bizness
E. none of the above

A for mp3 and ogg files (I use 'inside file' option), C for mpc files (until mpc plugin manages ape V2 tag).

zevele10 · « **Reply #27 on:** November 14, 2002, 07:54:09 am »

ME someone so intelligent so cultured who got every year the first price in french during higth school, ME i had to open a french dictionary because i stray on an ENGLISH forum!!!!!!

Only when i read Margueritte Yourcenar i need a french dictionary.

Anyway ,i got it . Deleted because expletive.

JimH
You gave a very good lashing answer.
Very cleaver ,but it was lost in one of the rare time in my life when i am only a genius ,not A GENIUS

Very good answer from you,really

zevele10 · « **Reply #28 on:** November 14, 2002, 08:13:49 am »

this sentence is expletive

Make life more fun ,if you think about .
Funny to think about people speaking to they computer,saying
'the.......,he ........I am ...."

xen-uno · « **Reply #29 on:** November 14, 2002, 08:19:57 am »

Mich & Zev,

I'll try the album art...I do love the artwork on covers (Uriah Heep's Demons & Wizards & Frank Zappa's Overnight Sensation are very cool).

I can be a little resistant to new things at times...I only recently started using a mouse with Windows!

Xenno

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