Topic: Karma Karma Karma! (Read 7387 times)

nivw · « **on:** April 20, 2004, 10:47:59 am »

where is the Karma support?

Randsun · « **Reply #1 on:** April 22, 2004, 11:50:45 pm »

I am in violent agreement, we need a Karma plugin quickly.... I just traded up from
an iPod and would really like to continue using MC

SteveG · « **Reply #2 on:** April 23, 2004, 09:40:43 am »

"Violent agreement" <-

Holy cow, no need for violence.

We have contacted Rio to see if they will give us what we need to customize a plugin with playlist support. If they send it, we will do it. The lack of full featured support with WMDM is a product of both the state of the WMDM SDK and Rio's implementation of it, both of which are out of our control.

Steve

Randsun · « **Reply #3 on:** April 23, 2004, 10:03:28 am »

I completely understand, glad to see the fine work you folks are doing to move this forward!

urlwolf · « **Reply #4 on:** April 24, 2004, 02:31:47 am »

count me in as a supporter of the rio karma plugin.

J--- · « **Reply #5 on:** April 28, 2004, 08:45:27 pm »

Add my voice to those requesting (even basic) support for the Karma...

SteveG · « **Reply #6 on:** April 29, 2004, 09:44:57 am »

J,

Basic support for the Karma is already in MC 10. Go to Tools->Options->Devices and check the box for 'Enable WMDM support' and then Karma should be visible in the MC tree.

Steve

nivw · « **Reply #7 on:** April 29, 2004, 10:47:34 am »

We want OGG and FLAC support.
We want MC to support playlist copy, so when I drag a playlist I will copy the .m3u file to the Karma as well as the files.
We want a sync feature.
We want the support to work using Ethernet, so ppl how have old USB 1 PC can still enjoy speedy transfer.
We want MC to be able to read the karma internal databases, so it would update the "last time played" tag.

Niv

SteveG · « **Reply #8 on:** April 29, 2004, 02:07:29 pm »

I want Rio to contact us to give us what we need to do this.

Steve

nivw · « **Reply #9 on:** April 29, 2004, 02:17:06 pm »

http://forums-riovolution.com/index.php?act=ST&f=15&t=5864

SteveG · « **Reply #10 on:** April 30, 2004, 09:36:26 am »

Thanks. We have also been in contact with them but it has not progressed as of yet.

Steve

adamsp70 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 17, 2004, 01:14:02 pm »

These guys obviously managed it - maybe worth asking them?

http://www.redchairsoftware.com/riorad/

nivw · « **Reply #12 on:** May 18, 2004, 01:39:53 pm »

dbpoweramp have rolled out karma support a while back.

I only wish the developers will give more attention to karma support.

SteveG · « **Reply #13 on:** May 18, 2004, 02:09:41 pm »

True or False,

Karma works with MC when WMDM support is enabled?

If true, missing features include support for playlists and perhaps others?

Steve

JimH · « **Reply #14 on:** May 18, 2004, 04:03:01 pm »

If you missed it, here's the thread on WMDM:

http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?board=8;action=display;threadid=21453

groovedaddy · « **Reply #15 on:** June 01, 2004, 05:18:00 am »

Quote from: SteveG on May 18, 2004, 02:09:41 pm

True or False,

Karma works with MC when WMDM support is enabled?

If true, missing features include support for playlists and perhaps others?

Steve

Hi Steve,

True: Karma does communicate with MC with WMDM support enabled. And this communication has been improved with v10 and its recent builds (at least for me). But I think I share the desires of my fellow Karma-users to not only have support for playlists, but to make the syncing process much easier. Right now, if I don't keep track of which tunes are on the Karma, I can potentially keep uploading the same song over and over again. This means a lot of admin work on my side using custom fields and still it can take a few hours to sort through what's been upload and deleted.

As always, I appreciate the work you all are doing and hope that a plug-in will be available soon.

Cheers,
GDaddy

SteveG · « **Reply #16 on:** June 01, 2004, 10:41:12 am »

GDaddy,

Thanks for the post. Right click on your Karma and check out the option for 'Synchronization'. I think this will help in solving your issue regarding your files. If you create playlists/smartlists to organize your files, the sync will keep things up to date for you.

Steve

mhwlng · « **Reply #17 on:** June 02, 2004, 08:04:45 am »

I just tried to synchronize....

I reformatted my karma,
selected a smartlist to synchronize and everything was transferred to my karma succesfully

If I now select synchronize again, with the same smartlist.
The I see '-17.1 Gb available after sync' and it tells me 'available space exceeded'

Marcel

SteveG · « **Reply #18 on:** June 02, 2004, 09:27:24 am »

Marcel,

This is most likely due to the information that Karma makes available via the WMDM interface. When viewing the files on the Karma from MC, take note of what is reported for the Name, Artist, Album, Genre and Track Number fields. Is it the same as what is reported for the files in MC? My guess is no. The result is that MC will try to resend the files which is why your available space is exceeded. Can you confirm this?

Steve

mhwlng · « **Reply #19 on:** June 02, 2004, 09:33:08 am »

If I look at :

Drives & Devices\Rio Karma\All Content
I see for example :
Name : A Campfire Song.mp3
(Artist/Album/Genre/Track#/Duration/Bitrate etc.) are all empty

so you are correct that this doesn't match what MC reports

Marcel

SteveG · « **Reply #20 on:** June 02, 2004, 03:15:28 pm »

Marcel,

This is the problem. MC makes decisions about what files to send or delete based on matching the tag information. If you can, run WMP and verify that it also does not report any of this information. If not, it is a limitation of the interface Rio has written for WMDM.

Thanks,

Steve

mhwlng · « **Reply #21 on:** June 02, 2004, 03:34:36 pm »

As I said above,If I look at :
Drives & Devices\Rio Karma\All Content
I see only on the right side of the screen :
Name : A Campfire Song.mp3
(Artist/Album/Genre/Track#/Duration/Bitrate etc.) are all empty

BUT

If I look at
Drives & Devices\Rio Karma\Album
Then I get a tree view with all the correct album names on the left

If I look at
Drives & Devices\Rio Karma\Artist
Then I get a tree view with all the artist names on the left

If I look at
Drives & Devices\Rio Karma\Genre
Then I get a tree view with all the genre names and artist names below that on the left

which means to me, that MC does read the artist names/album names/genres from somewhere ? (although you never see it on the right side)

Marcel

SteveG · « **Reply #22 on:** June 02, 2004, 04:06:25 pm »

Marcel,

If you can, please test with Windows Media Player. I would if I could, but I do not have a Karma. My guess is that you will see the same behavior with WMP which points the finger of this inconsistent behavior at Rio.

Steve

mhwlng · « **Reply #23 on:** June 02, 2004, 04:12:19 pm »

WMP has the same behaviour

SteveG · « **Reply #24 on:** June 03, 2004, 09:54:17 am »

Our options are to get an SDK from Rio (they have not responded yet) or ask them to improve their support via WMDM (which I will do).

Steve

mhwlng · « **Reply #25 on:** June 03, 2004, 10:05:11 am »

Hi steve,

another option is to use the information already available to generate the missing information to get synchronization going :

on the left side of the screen :
click
Drives & Devices\Rio Karma\Artist
this gives you a list of all the artist names

click on an artist name in the tree
this gives you a list of all the album names

click on an album name, then on the right of the screens the tracks for the album appear

the name field is the track name with '.mp3' appended. (it is NOT the same as the filename of the mp3 file on the PC hard disk used in MC)

for example I see :

Name :
Valley Of The Kings.mp3

Filename
Rio Karma\Artist\Marc Cohn\Burning The Daze\Valley Of The Kings.mp3

the files on my PC hard disk for MC are not organized like above...

so you can deduce the missing information from above filename as well !

so artist name/album name/track name are available which should be enough to get synchronize working

Marcel

SteveG · « **Reply #26 on:** June 03, 2004, 01:13:01 pm »

Marcel,

The solution you propose is possible, but not very practical. It is a solution for one player and the design of our WMDM support is for many players. In this instance, the solution is a fix for a flaw in the implementation of WMDM support by Rio. It is not something we will do at this time.

Sorry.

Steve

nivw · « **Reply #27 on:** July 04, 2004, 11:21:51 am »

Any news from Rio?

SteveG · « **Reply #28 on:** July 06, 2004, 09:46:33 am »

Not yet. Sorry.

Steve

J--- · « **Reply #29 on:** July 09, 2004, 06:24:49 pm »

Steve, Is this just a really low priority for you all? Should we start looking for other solutions? Thanks.

SteveG · « **Reply #30 on:** July 12, 2004, 09:23:57 am »

J,

Karma is not a low priority but our options are limited. Rio supplies limited support for Karma through the standard Windows WMDM interface which we support. They possibly supply additional functionality through a custom interface which they have been unwilling to disclose to us. There may be a way to create somekind of modified solution without Rio's help, but that is labor intensive and we are very busy. We will try to come up with something or in a best case, Rio will be responsive and we can do something quickly.

Steve

uzeben · « **Reply #31 on:** July 25, 2004, 10:04:13 am »

Where is the stupid SDK for the karma?

urlwolf · « **Reply #32 on:** September 27, 2004, 11:20:49 pm »

I can't believe that you have the rio logo in the "about MC" screen (help > about MC), and you still can get no cooperation from Rio to get a karma plugin.

I'm really dissapointed with the way this is handled. There is a good amount of interest in this and other MC forums, and you haven't been able to develop the plugin in more than one year.

SteveG · « **Reply #33 on:** September 28, 2004, 09:26:20 am »

urlwolf,

Here is a summary of what we will and won't support in regards to portable devices at this time...

1) All WMDM compatible devices.

2) In addition to (1) we support m3u playlists for any players which appear to your system as a removable or fixed drive and which support m3u playlists.

3) Any device that handles DRM file protection and provides an SDK for development of plugins.

These are all relatively recent changes in MC 11. If you have a Karma (we don't) please test it with MC 11 and lets look at what needs to be done or not from there.

Steve

rbilsbor · « **Reply #34 on:** October 23, 2004, 02:14:56 pm »

Has anyone tried the Karma with MC11?

Does it work at all? Limitations/problems?

I'm still running MC9 and have a Karma on the way, I want to know if I should get 11...

SteveG · « **Reply #35 on:** October 23, 2004, 04:25:19 pm »

rbilsbor,

I would like to know this as well. We do not have one at JRiver so I can't say how it works.

Steve

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