Topic: Jump on Play broken? (Read 3138 times)

mark_h · « **on:** July 06, 2007, 03:22:59 am »

MC12: 0.273

I have always used:

General->Behaviour->Double-click: Replace Playing Now (all)
General->Behavious->Jump on play: Playing now (always)

When I double click on Audio it used to repopulate the playlist and jump to playing now screen. It no longer does this. It still repopulates Playing Now but displays the Audio view scheme instead of jumping to playing now...

Is this a deliberate change? If so, can we get it changed back please?

Thanks,

Mark

Matt · « **Reply #1 on:** July 06, 2007, 11:45:15 am »

I can't reproduce this. Double-click in the tree or list is taking me to Playing Now with those settings.

Anyone else?

mark_h · « **Reply #2 on:** July 16, 2007, 09:33:13 am »

This is still "broken" for me

Anybody else?

Mark

glynor · « **Reply #3 on:** July 16, 2007, 10:54:41 am »

I was having some weirdness with this with Quicktime-formatted files recently. Carefully updating the system to the new Quicktime 7.2 seems to have fixed many of my issues though. What file types are you trying to play? AAC or M4A by chance?

mark_h · « **Reply #4 on:** July 16, 2007, 12:16:59 pm »

All FLAC...

glynor · « **Reply #5 on:** July 16, 2007, 01:06:03 pm »

That wouldn't be it then! Have you checked to make sure you have the latest version of Scot's plugins? I know he updated them a lot fairly recently...

mark_h · « **Reply #6 on:** July 16, 2007, 01:14:10 pm »

Just updated to the latest plugin (I was only one behind) but still borked.

On my spare PC I have MC 12 build 251 running and that works as expected...

Mark

mark_h · « **Reply #7 on:** July 28, 2007, 05:04:10 am »

Still seeing this issue with latest build (294) - any thoughts on how I can resolve it?

Thanks,

Mark

mark_h · « **Reply #8 on:** July 28, 2007, 01:35:08 pm »

Updated my 2nd PC to build 294 and it functions correctly.

Unininstalled and reinstalled on my main PC but still broken. Compared settings between the two PCs and cannot see any differences...

:_(

mark_h · « **Reply #9 on:** July 29, 2007, 06:28:50 am »

OK, still investigating this:

Firstly I made a copy of my entire current MC12 registry tree. Then I uninstalled MC12, deleted the registry, deleted all stray folders etc and did a full clean install. I then exported the clean registry tree.

Next I built a new music library and tested the jump on play options. They worked as expected.

I then loaded my original music library and it continued to work as expetced.

I then replaced the registry tree with my previous tree (containing all my options and customisations) - jump on play is now broken as described above.

I then deleted the registry tree and reloaded the clean install tree - jump on play now works again.

So clearly something in the registry tree is causing the problem I am seeing...

I suppose I could rebuild my options step by step and hope that things don't break again but what if they do? Perhaps JRiver would like to help investigate before this bug hits more people?

Cheers,

Mark

mark_h · « **Reply #10 on:** July 29, 2007, 10:59:54 am »

OK, I'm done on this. I went back to scratch with a clean install. I pulled out specific customisation keys from my old registry and loaded them into the clean registry to get my system back to where it was. Currently everything seems to be working fine again. Interestingly, my borked registry is three times the size of the clean install...

If anybody from MC wants to explore the issue further (though I doubt it given the deafening silence thus far) then I have copies of my broken registry available.

One thing this highlighted, apart the unsatisfactory corruption of my install was just how many of the options one might want to carry across to a new install are buried in the registry. The backup library option should pull these registry options and make them available for library restores. For now I'll configure my backup software to pull the necessary keys.

Mark

JimH · « **Reply #11 on:** July 30, 2007, 08:09:14 am »

Are you running other software with MC? Netremote, Musiclobby, etc? Or third party plug-ins? Audioscrobbler, for example?

Is it only FLAC that you're having trouble with?

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the deafening silence thus far...

This often means that nobody has any useful information. Your "broken registry" wouldn't help. If you're having registry problems, something else may be wrong. Bad memory, for example.

mark_h · « **Reply #12 on:** July 30, 2007, 09:47:34 am »

Hi Jim,

As noted above I am starting from a completely clean setup again... so no plugins installed... registry deleted prior to install. After install, if I enable Jump on Play = Now Playing (Always) I get regular crashes when clicking 'play' on an album thumbnail (clicking on individual tracks or clicking play on textual entries works fine). On the same clean install, if I set Jump on Play to None I get no crashes. This happens with mp3, eg no FLAC plugin installed and with FLACs once I install the FLAC plugin...

Changing this one option is enough to cause MC12 to crash.

MC12 is running solo at present while I attempt to resolve the issue. Normally I use FLAC and James Dickenson's Playing Now add on. No other software or plugins.

As for memory problems, my PC is completely stable and runs for weeks on end unless I reboot it - MC is the only program giving me grief at present.

I appreciate it appears that I complain a lot on the forums, but that's only because I use MC *every* day and have done for years - it is part of my daily life and when things start to go wrong I want to fix them ASAP...

Mark

JimH · « **Reply #13 on:** July 30, 2007, 09:58:23 am »

Quote from: Matt on July 06, 2007, 11:45:15 am

I can't reproduce this. Double-click in the tree or list is taking me to Playing Now with those settings.

Anyone else?

I get exactly the same result Matt does, using build 294, with the settings in the first post.

Anyone else?

JimH · « **Reply #14 on:** July 30, 2007, 10:05:56 am »

Quote from: mark_h on July 30, 2007, 09:47:34 am

if I enable Jump on Play = Now Playing (Always) I get regular crashes when clicking 'play' on an album thumbnail

This works as expected.

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As for memory problems, my PC is completely stable and runs for weeks on end unless I reboot it - MC is the only program giving me grief at present.

That a machine only has trouble with a single program does not prove that the fault lies with the program. Each program creates a unique set of circumstances that the machine must deal with.

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I appreciate it appears that I complain a lot on the forums,

Not a problem. You "complain" nicely. I can understand your frustration.

How about doing a set of screen shots and uploading them to pix01, so we can see exactly what you're doing?

You can capture a screen, then go to camera in the action window and use the copy from clipboard option.

mark_h · « **Reply #15 on:** July 30, 2007, 10:24:03 am »

Quote from: JimH on July 30, 2007, 10:05:56 am

This works as expected.

Sometimes you need to bounce back to the previous screen once or twice to trigger the problem?

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That a machine only has trouble with a single program does not prove that the fault lies with the program.

Perhaps, but it does strongly point the finger towards the software in question. And particularly as it only started happening recently after I moved up to the newer builds.. and that I can replicate it 100% here. Perhaps I should roll back and try to find a build where this doesn't occur?

I should also note that I am seeing this on both the PCs in my office...

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Each program creates a unique set of circumstances that the machine must deal with.Not a problem.

My own career was in software engineering so I understand the mechanics. And when I say it "was", it was only cut short as a personal choice due to a very successful venture giving me the freedom to continue or not.

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You "complain" nicely. I can understand your frustration.

OK, thanks, that's good to hear.

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How about doing a set of screen shots and uploading them to pix01, so we can see exactly what you're doing?

OK, I'll look at that for you.

Mark

mark_h · « **Reply #16 on:** July 30, 2007, 11:04:35 am »

Here you go:

What you are seeing is my library view scheme "Recently Imported (last 7 days)" which does exactly what you'd imagine.

First image contains my options screen to show the Jump on Play options selected.

http://www.pix01.com/gallery/F6C13E01-1261-4789-8696-1F73F2BBB3D9/Jump_on_Play_issues/bigslide0.html

Second image shows the crash after clicking Play on an album:

http://www.pix01.com/gallery/F6C13E01-1261-4789-8696-1F73F2BBB3D9/Jump_on_Play_issues/bigslide1.html

Not sure it adds anything useful, but there you go.

Because I can replicate this on two PCs I wonder if perhaps it's related to my library? Is there anything I can look at here, eg doing a clean library install (though I don't want to lose any fields/views/smartlists etc)

Mark

PS Just for fun, take a look at:

http://www.pix01.com/gallery/F6C13E01-1261-4789-8696-1F73F2BBB3D9/Great_Mix/bigslide0.html

If you look at the left side tree under playlists, take a look at the smartlist called 'Great Mix Sublists' - there you will see the 24 smartlists I use to build my ultimate playlist - this ultimate smartlist is tied to the Audio view scheme at the top of the tree, so double clicking on Audio will refresh my playlist with a new set of songs built from the 24 smartlist rules. I've been optimising those smartlists for a couple of years now. For instance the ratings smartlists are weighted to include increasingly more highly rated songs. The import smartlists include decreasingly less songs depending on how long ago they were imported. And all those rules are weighted to exclude recently played tracks to avoid repetition. etc etc MC rocks!

JimH · « **Reply #17 on:** July 30, 2007, 11:11:31 am »

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"Recently Imported (last 7 days)"

That's new. Is it the same for files in all views?

mark_h · « **Reply #18 on:** July 30, 2007, 11:16:14 am »

New?

Yes, all views using album thumbnails break when I click 'play'...

I'm going to do a completely new library import on my 2nd PC and see what happens.

Mark

JimH · « **Reply #19 on:** July 30, 2007, 11:19:33 am »

Does anyone else see a problem with this? (Double click on audio crashes if set to Jump to Playing Now.)

JimH · « **Reply #20 on:** July 30, 2007, 11:20:43 am »

Quote from: mark_h on July 30, 2007, 11:16:14 am

New?

Yes, all views using album thumbnails break when I click 'play'...

I'm going to do a completely new library import on my 2nd PC and see what happens.

Mark

Try a test with a simple import of a few files. No special smartlists, etc.

mark_h · « **Reply #21 on:** July 30, 2007, 11:23:29 am »

Quote from: JimH on July 30, 2007, 11:19:33 am

Does anyone else see a problem with this? (Double click on audio crashes if set to Jump to Playing Now.)

Jim - the current problem is not so much double-clicking as simply clicking Play under an album thumbnail causes the crash. Double clicking on a textual entry does actually work.

Mark

JimH · « **Reply #22 on:** July 30, 2007, 11:55:27 am »

If anyone else can test, a report would be appreciated -- positive or negative.

mark_h · « **Reply #23 on:** July 30, 2007, 12:04:00 pm »

Well, it seems the clean import resolves the problem. So it looks like an issue with my library? Unfortunately with the clean import I lose all my view schemes, smartlists, custom fields and so on that I've spent years working on

I guess with a little work I can rebuild it all, but what a pain... and no guarantee that it won't happen again...

Any thoughts on how to narrow down what in the library might be causing the issue?

Thanks,

Mark

JimH · « **Reply #24 on:** July 30, 2007, 12:07:27 pm »

I suppose it could be a corrupt library and that a backup _might_ work.

You could try renaming the individual library files one at a time (to test).

Good news that you found it.

Matt · « **Reply #25 on:** July 30, 2007, 12:34:33 pm »

The crash will be fixed next build.

Is that the last remaining issue?

Thanks.

mark_h · « **Reply #26 on:** July 30, 2007, 12:48:04 pm »

Quote from: Matt on July 30, 2007, 12:34:33 pm

The crash will be fixed next build.

Blimey - that came out of nowhere! Very welcome news indeed.

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Is that the last remaining issue?

Actually, no. Please see: http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=41353.0

I can replicate that on both my PCs.

Thanks,

Mark

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