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iPhone 3G support?
« on: July 11, 2008, 03:14:13 am »

Hi,

Today is D-day here in Spain for the launch of the new iPhone 3G. It's on my list ;D
Should I expect MC to handle it out of the box or not yet? I'm probably not going to buy it until I can use it with MC. It's impossible with my current setup to start using iTunes.

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Re: iPhone 3G support?
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2008, 08:25:40 am »

Hi,

Today is D-day here in Spain for the launch of the new iPhone 3G. It's on my list ;D
Should I expect MC to handle it out of the box or not yet? I'm probably not going to buy it until I can use it with MC. It's impossible with my current setup to start using iTunes.

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We don't know.  We'll need a phone or a tester.

Apple has gone out of their way (i.e. unnecessary encryption keys) in the past to make it hard for us to support their hardware.  Hopefully they won't again.
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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2008, 10:01:32 am »

I see. As soon as the lines clear up a little I may take the plunge and buy one.

The first generation iPhones never made it into Spain since "Telefonica" (spanish exclusive dealer) did not want it without 3G, a technology which was already widely used here by Telefonica-Movistar and Vodafone at the time that 1st gen iPhones were out.

 I'll be happy to test it for you if I finally get one. Will keep you posted.

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Re: iPhone 3G support?
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2008, 02:37:03 pm »

What Does 3G Mean?
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Re: iPhone 3G support?
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2008, 02:38:46 pm »

What Does 3G Mean?
The service costs $3000 a year.
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Re: iPhone 3G support?
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2008, 04:06:47 pm »

What Does 3G Mean?

Well, basically is the third generation (3G) of mobile phone standards. It allows more services, such as video calls, live TV over mobile phones, video on demand, high-speed internet, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3g

The service costs $3000 a year.

To the user? Not here. It's a flat rate between 15 and 25 Euro a month (25 to 35 US$) depending on the speed needed.
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Re: iPhone 3G support?
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2008, 08:36:26 am »

I'm going to get one next week probably (possibly the week after) so I can help then.

The service costs $3000 a year.

I see... Everyone is pointing this out because it is more expensive than any other Smartphone (like a Blackberry) from AT&T?

Oh, wait... No, it is exactly the same data price as both the Blackberry and PDA Connect plans from AT&T.
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Re: iPhone 3G support?
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2008, 08:55:31 am »

he was making a joke about 3G
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« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2008, 11:51:06 am »

he was making a joke about 3G

I know... There have just been a lot of similar reports on Engadget and other similar places.

The monthly price went up, which sucks, but isn't surprising because it now matches the cost of it's main competitors.  The initial cost came way down though, because AT&T is now subsidizing the phone.  I'm personally fine with that.  The total cost remained roughly the same (went up by about $68 dollars over the course of two years), and is still roughly the same as competing devices.
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Re: iPhone 3G support?
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2008, 12:26:22 pm »

A G is an old way of saying "a grand", meaning $1000.  As in, "My neighbor just paid 6 G's for a new Cadillac.  Can you imagine paying that much for a car?"
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« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2008, 02:07:50 pm »

A G is an old way of saying "a grand", meaning $1000.  As in, "My neighbor just paid 6 G's for a new Cadillac.  Can you imagine paying that much for a car?"

Yep, I got it.  Just explaining my reaction.  There has been a lot of bru-ha-ha in the tech media about this, and I think a whole lot of it was quite overblown.  Either way... I'm excited about it, and I'll let you know when I get one.  For now, I'm following my standard Apple purchase rules:

1. Never purchase a 1st Gen Apple device.  The second gen always fixes a bunch of the "simple, low-hanging" problems and is usually a much better deal.
2. Never purchase an Apple device on Day 1.  There are always problems that get sorted out in the first week or two.

So far, I'm really glad I waited on both fronts.  I really wanted one last year, but felt it was best to wait.  All in all, four of the big things I was waiting for were addressed: much better audio, GPS, 3G (even though I don't have 3G coverage where I live), and 3rd party Application availability.  I still can't believe they haven't enabled cut/paste support, but it'll come.  That's a software not a hardware feature.

Next gen is probably going to be mostly about storage, CPU speed, and battery life updates (in addition to shiny new software features that I'll probably get on my 3G version for free).  I can live without those things on my phone for a year till my contract's up and then get a 4th Gen version...

As far as MC... My guess is that if 2.5G iPhones with the 2.0 software still work, then the iPhone 3G will work just fine.  Anyone upgraded their 1st gen phone or Touch yet?
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Re: iPhone 3G support?
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2008, 04:19:07 pm »

...Anyone upgraded their 1st gen phone or Touch yet?

I upgraded two 1st generation iPhones with no problem. For now I'm not trying to sync them with MC. I'll give the JRiver team time to unravel the changes that Steve Jobs put in to try and keep the iPhone closed.

Locally the 3G iPhones are sold out, but I ordered one from AT&T. I'm looking forward to the increased speed and GPS. Everything else is available on the old iPhones by updating the firmware.

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Re: iPhone 3G support?
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2008, 04:53:56 pm »

You haven't even tried?  Has anyone tried a sync with MC on a phone/touch with the new firmware?
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Re: iPhone 3G support?
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2008, 07:02:26 pm »

You haven't even tried?  Has anyone tried a sync with MC on a phone/touch with the new firmware?

OK, you talked me into sacrificing one of the iPhones.

I did a sync using MC12. Everything looked fine from within MC.

When I tried to use the iPhone, I could no longer see the pictures - they were in the list, but it could not display any images.

For the songs and videos, they did not show up on the iPhone, even though I could see them in MC.

When I connected to iTunes, it said it had to be restored. So I restored it.

So, as I suspected, Apple changed something that caused the iPhone to become corrupt when it is synced with MC.
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Re: iPhone 3G support?
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2008, 08:48:12 pm »

Well... Guess it won't support the 3G yet then.  Bummer.
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Re: iPhone 3G support?
« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2008, 10:01:14 pm »

Well... Guess it won't support the 3G yet then.  Bummer.

My guess is that it will be fixed pretty quick.  It's just a shame that Apple plays these games.
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« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2008, 11:59:55 pm »

As posted on another thread, had the same experience with syncing my iphone with media center, sigh!

I did get some sort of message that the data structure or something wasn't what media center expected when I first plugged it in. 

Looking forward to being able to sync my music again through the software I actually like to use!

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Re: iPhone 3G support?
« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2008, 09:47:04 am »

Please guys, fix this soon.  I use flac, so I don't even have the choice of using itunes to sync in the meantime.
 >:( Apple  >:(
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« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2008, 07:17:04 am »

Well I'm finding just launching MC while my 3G iPhone is plugeed in kills it (ie iTunes says it needs a restore) I was running MC 12.0.520 and see 523 is out but I'm reluctant to sacrifice my phone contents a FOURTH time and the relese notes are not exactly clear.  Has anyone with a 3g iPhone had the latest version NOT kill their phone?
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« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2008, 07:18:31 am »

Well I'm finding just launching MC while my 3G iPhone is plugeed in kills it (ie iTunes says it needs a restore) I was running MC 12.0.520 and see 523 is out but I'm reluctant to sacrifice my phone contents a FOURTH time and the relese notes are not exactly clear.  Has anyone with a 3g iPhone had the latest version NOT kill their phone?
Build 523 should work better for you.  It's worth a try.

It won't sync, but it also shouldn't cause any problems.
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« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2008, 07:46:09 am »

Bad news

Installed 523, it saw my iPhone and let me a copy a music file (no warning about any incompatabilities), but again no joy - the new track I copied didn't show in the iPod interface on the phone and again iTunes reports a corrupt iPhone so I'm now doing restore #5  :-[

Once that's done I'll be extra foolhardy and try just launching 523 with the phone plugged in and see if that corrupts things. I've also added my serial details the to the serial number list
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« Reply #21 on: July 15, 2008, 08:25:51 am »

I can confrim that even with build 523 just launching MC with the iPhone 3G connected trashes the phone and requires an iTunes Restore
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« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2008, 02:21:43 pm »

I haven't had trouble with the iphone getting corrupted except for the one time I tried to sync to it.

Now, this morning I had media center running and plugged in the iphone - forgetting that MC was running.  MC crashed.  Phone fine and synced fine with itunes.  I'm not diligent about updating though and I'm on MC 512.  If later builds corrupt the phone just by being plugged in at the same time, maybe I'll hold on the updates....
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« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2008, 01:03:40 pm »

Well, virgin iPhone 2.0 and I installed latest iTunes and latest MediaCenter 12 524.  I didn't read the forum for issues (mistake).

I tried to push some audio to iPhone using iTunes, it said not compatible file types.  I didn't spend the time to research what the issue was, remembering that MC12 did an autoconvert.

I then opened MC12 and saw my iPhone (cool).  I dragged files from my server's library to the iPhone.  Put into Queue. (cool).  I then synched and it looked like things working (cool).

I then disconnected and launched iPod and ......no media (not cool).

I connected to my car to try to move the files to the car and ....no media (sigh)

I connected to PC, iTunes as default opened and said "unidentified file types found, do a Restore (not cool)

I connected to MC12, and the files ARE there (at least they appeared to be there).

Deleted all files from iPhone, hopeing to get rid of the troublemaker file.

I connected back to iTunes and same Restore message.  I sighed and said "Do the Restore".  itunes downloaded and then said "undefined problem - can't Restore " (very not cool).

Dead in the water.

But it does still work non connected fine, other than no media.

I had to restart the PC before a Restore would work in iTunes.
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Re: iPhone 3G support?
« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2008, 03:15:50 am »

I am waiting for my Iphone 3G to arrive, but I am wondering what the current status is regarding MC's Iphone 3G support.
Apparently it is not working now and Iphone recognition has been disabled in the latest MC version.
But is it being worked on? Can we expect Iphone 3G support in the (near) future?
It would be a pain to go back to Itunes.
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« Reply #25 on: July 25, 2008, 12:18:17 pm »

I'm hating having to sync my music through itunes, too, believe me.   :'(

Also hoping to hear something.  :)
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« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2008, 10:19:54 pm »

Hi All,

I did upgrade my 8Gig iTouch from 1.1.4 to 2.0 (jailbroken).
Results: I cannot use MC12 anymore: My sync screen within MC12 (526) always refers to 500 Mo of which 350+ are already used.
Doing some research with SSH and WinSCP, I found that MC 12 may point to a wrong folder to transfer music, a lone MP3 was sitting there unknown (/iTunes_Control/Music). Most likely in the partition reserved for apps and OS.
Most probably a non documented change?
For reference, I tried iTune to transfer files and found that the files are in:
/private/var/mobile/Media/iTunes_Control/Music
Hope that help.

As for others, most of my files are FLAC and APE, so I do rely on MC for transfers.
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« Reply #27 on: July 27, 2008, 09:18:18 pm »

My 16gb white iPhone was ordered on Saturday from an AT&T store... They said Apple was giving them a maximum timeframe of 21 days currently, however, most reports I've read show they're shipping them quicker, particularly for the less-popular white variety.  Not really sure why the white is less popular (it shows fingerprints and scratches less), but whatever.... I'll take it.

I'm bummed that I'll have to deal with iTunes for a while.  I've never even had iTunes installed on any of my Windows machines, but I'll have to now to get access to the App store.

I figure it'll be relatively easy to have MC use a generic handheld that points to a "cache-like" folder on my hard-drive, and automatically converts there.  However...

I was setting up my wife's new iPod Nano (I get a phone and she gets a tiny little powder-blue 8GB Nano, which is perfect for her) and a great thought occurred to me.

While you get the new iPhone/Touch figured out it would be really cool if there were a special option when adding a "generic" Handheld called "emulate iPod".  Selecting this option would have the "handheld" in MC provide all the same exact conversion options as it normally would for an iPod.  You would also need a manually set "size limit" for the folder, so that you can see it fill up just like on a regular device.  Then, I can use MC to cause it to sync 14-15GB to a folder on my hard drive, and I can set iTunes to just monitor that folder (with some third-party utilities, natch) and use it to sync my iPhone and still use MC to get all the sweet conversion goodness that I get with my wife's Nano.  It'll be a two or three step process, so native MC support would be preferred, of course, but it would serve us for the time being.  Plus, it would "future proof" against future Apple product shenanigans, by giving us a "fail safe" option to get us through the painful process to get it all figured out.
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Re: iPhone 3G support?
« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2008, 01:43:32 pm »

Any feedback?  I think this idea would be simple and awesome, and would help a lot until native support is worked out.
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« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2008, 02:13:43 pm »

I would of course prefer native MC support for the 2.0 firmware itouch and iphone.
However, not being able to apply ratings from the touch back to MC is getting a bit old.
I would settle for having to use itunes for the actual syncing IF the ratings and play stats could make it back to MC.
All my stuff is in flac, so itunes is less than worthless for syncing on it's own.
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« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2008, 03:42:10 pm »

Any feedback?  I think this idea would be simple and awesome, and would help a lot until native support is worked out.

I think it's a pretty good idea, because even if it is a workaround that requires a bit of fiddling, I'd be willing to do that extra bit of work to avoid using iTunes for anything *but* plain syncing. That program just infuriates me every time.

I also second the request for an app or web app (which I just discovered are two different things - I know, I'm slow) for MC.
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« Reply #31 on: July 30, 2008, 08:14:27 pm »

I played with this a bit more tonight, since my iPhone actually came in (though I can't pick it up until tomorrow because I'm stuck working)... Either way, I got iTunes all set up with an auto-importerish third party app (no where near as good as MC).  However, what I really need is for MC to be able to do the easy on-the-fly Video conversion.  I really hate having iTunes installed on my HTPC, but oh well...  I'll have to live with it until MC gets it all figured out.

It works perfectly for my wife's iPod Nano (well, the Aspect Ratio gets messed up but that's another story for another thread).  However, when I set up the "generic" handheld, I can't set Video conversion to any of the iPod presets.  That's just silly!

Can we get access to all of the standard iPod conversion options in the dropdowns for Generic Handhelds?  Right now, MC seems to assume that they are Windows Media based handhelds.  This is probably often true, but doesn't help me out at all!
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« Reply #32 on: July 31, 2008, 07:45:54 pm »

This is from my new Jesus-phone!

Just playin' ... But so far, I don't see what people are complaining about the keyboard for... I'm not having that much trouble. And the auto-correct is really quite good.

Oh well.... Back to making dinner!
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« Reply #33 on: August 03, 2008, 12:06:54 pm »

OT, but the auto-correct is a huge pain if you're bilingual, because there's really no way to switch it on the fly. Also, the Swedish one involves a LOT of guess work, since it has to compensate for the lack of å, ä and ö on the keyboard and you never really know if it will even do it or when it does, which of the possible words it will choose. For instance, I'd type "ar" and it would give me "år" (year), rather than "är" (is). Now, which one of those two would you think is more common in a written sentence?
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« Reply #34 on: August 03, 2008, 05:40:20 pm »

I too just got a new iPhone and figured out one way to sync videos reasonably painlessly. Here're the steps:

1. Go to the Program Files\J River\Media Center 12\Plugins folder

2. Edit the ffmpeg.xml file in some text editor (you might want to make a copy first in case something goes wonky)

3. Edit the <phone3gp> line to be something like:
<phone3gp>-y -acodec libfaac -ab 128kb -ar 44100 -vcodec mpeg4 -b 1000kb -r 30 -s 426x320</phone3gp>

You can adjust the 1000kb to the bitrate of your choosing. You can also adjust the -s parameters to the size you want. 426x320 is 4:3 and 568x320 is 16:9.

4. Save the file and restart MC.

5. Next time you sync video choose the 3gb option and it'll convert your videos to 3gp files that can be played by your iPhone.

6. Celebrate by watching the movie  ;)

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« Reply #35 on: August 03, 2008, 08:01:51 pm »

Wow, good hack.  Shouldn't be necessary tho...

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« Reply #36 on: August 04, 2008, 02:15:51 pm »

After playing with it quite a bit over the weekend, here's what I've come up with.  It is certainly quite a bit less than perfect, but it works for now...

First of all, because iTunes is ridiculous, you need to pick ONE computer to be in charge of syncing your iPhone/iPod Touch.  You CANNOT sync to multiple machines, because iTunes will stupidly erase everything on your phone if you switch to a different machine (even if the files themselves are identical).  So, I chose my laptop since I almost always have it with me and that gives me the most versatile syncing options.  The big downside is that my entire media library is generally NOT available on my laptop.  So... The question becomes:

How do I get my media off of my home library (HTPC and other home machines) using MC and onto my laptop and into iTunes to sync it to my phone?

1. Getting media to my laptop from MC.  This has finally made me break down and decide that I need a secure wireless network at my house.  Up until now, my Wireless network at home was Internet access only and was unsecured (rate limited so that my neighbor kids don't kill my access using it for Bittorrent).  If you wanted to get access to any of the network shares on my LAN, you needed to plug into the network with a cable, which kept it pretty well locked down.  Since I need to use my laptop though, always plugging in isn't very workable.  I still want to keep my unsecured WAP (for visitors and my iPhone and other similar uses), so I'll need to buy a new one in order to run two in my house (one secured and one not).

Once this is done, I'll set up a new library on MC that connects to and uses my regular network library at home.  Once this is done, syncing over to my "generic handheld" should be simple and can be done wirelessly as long as I'm at home.  It'll also serve the secondary purpose of allowing me to access my movies and tv shows on my laptop from up in bed, which will be pretty convenient.

2. Generic Handheld to a Local Folder on my Laptop.  So I went into Tools --> Options --> Handheld and added a new handheld, named it "generic_iphone" and pointed it to O:\Users\Shared\media\handhelds\generic_iphone\.  I can then "sync" any files I want over to this folder and MC will copy them over for me.  However, this currently has some really serious limitations:

a. I cannot set a size limit for this "handheld" from inside MC, so it always shows my total hard drive space available as the limit.  I'd really like to be able to set this to 14-15GB so that I don't go over the limit on my iPhone.  Currently I have to keep track of the size pretty much manually, which is bogus.  I considered actually buying a 16GB USB Drive and using it for my "generic", but that seems like a lot of effort and expense to work around something that could be easily added to the MC generic handheld function.

b. Conversion options are highly limited for no reason.  I complained about this above, but just to reiterate... I can convert my audio to the nice "High-Quality Handheld" LAME setting and resize Photos fine.  However, the Video Conversion options are completely useless in this instance.  Why can't we choose iPod-compatible conversions for generic handhelds??  As is, the only way to get MC to convert video for iPod is to physically plug in and sync video over to my wife's iPod Nano, and then to copy the file over from the Nano's conversion cache.  This is absurd.

c. Podcast support is all bunged up and I haven't really figured it out.  For now, I'm manually transferring over the individual episodes that I want to watch/listen-to as though they are music.  Then on the iPod they show up under Music with the Genre "Podcast" (rather than in the specific Podcast section).  Also, video podcasts are very hard to transfer over.  Many are already properly formatted, but some are not and the auto-conversion would be VERY handy.

d. I've also noticed that the auto-conversion of Video files doesn't properly respect Aspect Ratio.  When I do use the iPod Nano trick outlined above, and choose an appropriate conversion setting, my widescreen video files end up all "stretched" into a 4:3 aspect ratio.  This is extra ridiculous since the new iPods all have widescreen displays...  I'd say a much better option for the default is to letterbox or pillarbox video as necessary in order to maintain the original native AR.

3. Ingesting new content into iTunes.  This, at least, is pretty easy.  I found a great little application called the iTunes Library Updater (iTLU) which is free and works great.  You can set a bunch of folders for it to scan, specify file extensions to import, and save these settings into a Profile.  It allows you to automatically:
  • Open iTunes.
  • Add new media to iTunes (scans the watch folders and can include subdirectories automatically).
  • Remove orphaned media from iTunes.
  • Update track info to match new info in files.
  • Once this is done, it'll start the iPod sync.
  • And, if you want, you can have it close iTunes down when it is all done.
So this part works great.  Once all the media is in the "generic_iphone" folder, you can simply launch iTLU (it has command line support, so I just wrote a BAT that calls it with my profile loaded and runs it automatically) and it'll do the rest.

The first time, you'll want to set up your iPhone/Touch to look in the proper folder for Images and Videos.  I just set up my folder structure like this:

O:\Users\Shared\media\handhelds\generic_iphone\
                            ---> Music\[Artist]\[Album]
                            ---> Images\<Fancy Date Expression that creates folders like: 2008\2008-06-20\>
                            ---> Video\

iTLU scans the Music and Video folders.  I have the iTunes Photo Sync feature set to use the Images folder.  One problem is that I haven't figured out how to get the pictures back off of my iPhone's Photo Roll (the pictures I took with the phone) and back onto the computer.  Anyone have any experience with this on Windows?  I hoped they'd just sync back to the folder in a "Photo Roll" subfolder, which I could have MC Auto-Import, but that didn't happen.

4. Future Stuff.  I'd say mostly figuring out Podcasts and coming up with some way to solve the conversion problems.  I really, really don't want to abandon using MC for Podcasts, but that is probably 90% of what I want to use the iPod feature on my iPhone for, and I'd really rather some more advanced options for transferring.  Right now, if I transfer over all of my Podcasts, I could easily fill up the whole phone.  I like to keep lots of back episodes downloaded (so I can play old stuff if I want to) but I usually only want the most recent unwatched podcasts to transfer over to my Phone.

If I use iTunes to handle Podcasting, it can do this (it has a "sync # most recent unplayed" sync option for Podcasts, along with many other options), but MC cannot.  We need a LOT more options for syncing Podcasts that are SEPARATE from the options for what to download.  If craptastic iTunes can do it, then MC should certainly be able to!  And converting these video files should be so simple (and it works great for my Wife's Nano), but right now it totally is NOT if you need to use a generic handheld workaround because your device isn't natively supported.
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Re: iPhone 3G support?
« Reply #37 on: August 04, 2008, 03:26:39 pm »

I hoped they'd just sync back to the folder in a "Photo Roll" subfolder, which I could have MC Auto-Import, but that didn't happen.

It seems you have to pull photos off the iPhone yourself, because that's the one folder you can access through the regular Windows interface. At least that's what I just had to do get my pics off of it. If there's a better automatic way, that'd be great.
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Re: iPhone 3G support?
« Reply #38 on: August 08, 2008, 07:58:23 am »

I just picked up an iPhone 3G a couple days ago and have a very mixed experience with it.  I've been an MC (MJ) user since 2002, and I can't believe what a POS piece of software iTunes.... BLOAT.  I have an 85k track collection and it almost crashed my 4GB RAM PC at work while trying to import artwork for over 24 hours straight, taking up over 1.5GB RAM all on its own.  I love how it ignores my very organized album art with folder.jpg's in each and every album folder.  The lack of views is excruciating as well, and the software is just slow in general.

So.... please, PLEASE I implore JRiver to natively support the iPhone for music syncing.  Twice now I have received an 'old protocol' message that has rendered my iPhone unreadable by iTunes, forcing me to do a restoral of the iPhone software back to its defaults.  As it stands, I had to go into Options - General - Advanced - Features and disable iPhone support because MC will not obey the 'always ignore' dialog when my iPhone is connected.  An earlier poster indicated that iPhone support is disabled in the latest build of MC.  I am running 12.0.529 and I still had to perform the above operation so that the MC / iTunes combo doesn't bork my iPhone.

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Re: iPhone 3G support?
« Reply #39 on: August 11, 2008, 10:42:35 pm »

Twice now I have received an 'old protocol' message that has rendered my iPhone unreadable by iTunes, forcing me to do a restoral of the iPhone software back to its defaults.

Just thought I'd say... I connect my iPhone with MC12 open all the time and have never had any issues.  I've never attempted to use MC to do anything with the iPhone, but I often have it running with the phone connected.  It "sees" the iPhone, and sometimes opens the Sync AW.  I just close it and don't use it and I've never had any issues.  I can even use iTunes and sync to the iPhone with MC also open.
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Re: iPhone 3G support?
« Reply #40 on: August 13, 2008, 12:40:40 am »

I have a run into a few issues that makes MC syncing to a folder not very usable for the Iphone.

The first thing is cover art. I have all art stored in folder.jpg in each folder. Under handheld options I have checked to add cover art so tags, to Itunes will recognise it. But MC does not always seems to respect this. When it synced the first time MC added album art, but syncing after adding a new album to the playlist does not add album art to the tags. This seems an MC bug.

Second, compilation albums. The iphone 3g strangly does not fully respect the compilation tag. It does add compilation albums to compliations in the Iphone, but it also places each artist in the artist list. This makes it necessary to retag compilation albums (single artist for each album). This is not MC's fault, but that makes syncing impossible, because MC will wipe each compilation album on sync and replace it with the original one in the MC database.

Until this is solved I will need to stick to manually copying my music to a folder and sync Itunes and the Iphone to that folder.
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Re: iPhone 3G support?
« Reply #41 on: August 18, 2008, 07:57:28 pm »

FYI - iPhone 2.0.2 software update is out today.  I'm updating now.  Reportedly... Bug fixes (gotta love those detailed change logs, eh?).

It's big and updating takes a while.  Not like updating Windows takes a while, but certainly longer than updating MC or something.  I don't really get why people moan about updates being big anymore.  I mean, it is just over 200mb, for an OS.  Are these people on Dial-up still?  Why are they complaining?

Anyhow.  I'll let you know if I have any issues, but so far so good.

EDIT:  It just finished.  Ooooh!  Contacts is much better.  And the intermittent text lag (which was greatly diminished but not eliminated) seems like it might be a little better too.  I was pretty regularly getting a text input lag on the passcode entry screen after sleeping the phone for a while.  That seems like it is gone completely.

Haven't tried typing an email yet, but we'll see.
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Re: iPhone 3G support?
« Reply #42 on: August 18, 2008, 09:27:23 pm »

FYI - iPhone 2.0.2 software update is out today. 

Thanks for the heads up...
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« Reply #43 on: August 18, 2008, 11:32:22 pm »

Just did some typing (including this post) and text lag is once again improved vs. 2.0.1.  It is not quite entirely gone.  Not quite teh snappiez like it was with 1.0.x (based on my experience with my friend's phone).  So, moving in the right direction substantially, but still not quite perfect.

Much more consistent, and I'm no longer able to "get ahead" of the characters being input, as happened occasionally with the previous two versions.
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Re: iPhone 3G support?
« Reply #44 on: August 19, 2008, 06:26:26 am »

In another post I put forward the idea to develop an Iphone application that let's you connect to your MC library.
No reacties come to the post, so I would like to talk about it again in this post.
The reason is that I have installed Simplify Media from the app store, which let's you connect to your full music collection on your home computer, as well as to collections from others. This is really a great app, because I am no longer limited to 16 GB, but have unlimited storage space available. It lets your stream music over wifi or 3g and works like a charm. It can even display playlists, album art, artis info and lyrics.

Of course it would be even more nice if I could connect to my MC library, including smart playlists etc. With the innovative capacity of the MC team even more could be expected...:)
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Re: iPhone 3G support?
« Reply #45 on: August 20, 2008, 03:40:42 am »

gummbah,

I kind of like the idea of a MC app for the iPhone, but I somewhat question its benefit, at least for me. Part of what I mean is that right now I really, really, really want to stop having to use iTunes to sync and to be able to do it natively with MC. Once that's done I think I'll be pretty much satisfied with the iPhone experience. But, I'll also then be more able to consider what other interesting features could be added with a custom app. My point is it is hard to think about the advanced features until the basics are in place.

Having said that, here're a  few thoughts:

First, streaming contents from MC is not a big thing for me because of the following. If it is via 3G then it'll kill the battery too quickly. If it is via wifi then I'm near my PC anyway and could just sync over the contents.

For me the killer MC app would be if the iPhone API provides the ability to install media to the iPod database, then an app to sync as a pull from the iPhone instead of a push from MC would be great.

I suppose some people would like to use their iPhone as a remote to MC, but that's not a big thing for me.
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« Reply #46 on: August 20, 2008, 05:22:21 am »

I kind of like the idea of a MC app for the iPhone, but I somewhat question its benefit, at least for me. Part of what I mean is that right now I really, really, really want to stop having to use iTunes to sync and to be able to do it natively with MC.

I couldn't agree more. I guess I got carried away a bit.

First, streaming contents from MC is not a big thing for me because of the following. If it is via 3G then it'll kill the battery too quickly. If it is via wifi then I'm near my PC anyway and could just sync over the contents.

The main thing why I like streaming is that it gives you unlimited storage. You are no longer limited to 16 GB and that is a great benefit for people with large libraries (which many MC users have I am sure). Not sure about the battery life, but simplify media also streams over 2G (although quality in terms of bitrate is lower of course). Streaming over wifi can be extremely useful, e.g. when abroad in hotels or visiting friends with wifi networks at home. There are potentially many situations in which I can imagine streaming over wifi.

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Re: iPhone 3G support?
« Reply #47 on: August 20, 2008, 07:59:04 am »

Ok, you've convinced me :) there're good reasons to have streaming. I also believe it can be done without any iPhone development. Here's how...

A few years ago, before I could VPN to my home machine to connect directly to my library, I used MC's Library Server. At the time I had a iPaq PDA that had wifi. I wanted the ability to access my library through it (wifi), but of course there was no MC client. So, what I did was to figure out the URL that MC used when accessed via the Library Server.

I don't remember the schema off hand, but I do remember that the way I figured it out was that after playing tracks via Library Server, Internet Explorer would show the URL's in the drop-down box of recent accessed sites.

Anyway, what I then did was to create a quick script that would recursively scan my whole library path and create a HTML page with the URLs to each track. I could then access that page and access any track I wanted.

Of course the problem with this was that it didn't have playlists or anything fancy, just access to individual tracks.

But, it should be a good starting point for someone.

Oh yeah, one other thing I discovered about MC's Library Server. The first thing to do is hit the Library Server site's GetLibrary page (I think that's the name, it's been a while). This will feed you a zipped file (XML, I think) of the whole library with path's to everything in it. From there it should be easy to create an app to access any of the URLs.


I've asked a friend to return my old G4 iMac in a few days so I can install the iPhone SDK. Once that happens I'll start playing with this, but no promises.
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Re: iPhone 3G support?
« Reply #48 on: August 21, 2008, 12:19:17 pm »


a. I cannot set a size limit for this "handheld" from inside MC, so it always shows my total hard drive space available as the limit.  I'd really like to be able to set this to 14-15GB so that I don't go over the limit on my iPhone.  Currently I have to keep track of the size pretty much manually, which is bogus.  I considered actually buying a 16GB USB Drive and using it for my "generic", but that seems like a lot of effort and expense to work around something that could be easily added to the MC generic handheld function.


Look into folder size quotas if your O/S supports it.  Use a hard quota, not a soft quota.
Nevermind if your O/S can't do it.

Barring that, you could also create a truecrypt volume which could be set at 16GB when you create it.  Once mounted, the O/S, and MC, would see it as a 16GB drive, thus allowing you to use the ~fill in your smartlists.


Thanks for this writeup.  I don't sync video to my touch, so I'm going to try this method for a while.
If I get tired of messing with itunes, I'll just have to downgrade back to the 1.1.4 firmware.
But I really want to try the new push mail and some of the other enhancements.
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« Reply #49 on: August 21, 2008, 02:00:39 pm »

Glynor,  got it working and my sub-library updated in itunes.  However, the ratings field in itunes is blank, which would make it unusable for me since 4 of the smartlists I normally would sync to the ipod are based on the current rating.
Is yours transferring the ratings properly?
I'm converting from flac to standard mp3 during the MC sync to hard drive folder.
If I look at properties of one of the resulting mp3 files via windows explorer, it shows the rating field is 4 stars properly.
This would indicate to me that MC did it's job correctly.
Now I run the itunes library updater.  As the songs get added to itunes, the rating field is left blank   ?
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